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SIL Xmas gifts - disturbing epiphany

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:20

NC’d bc previous threads would make this outing.

As it’s approaching the festive season I’d like to ask for advice please. I’ve been with DP well over a decade. Every year his sister gives me some vaguely weird or semi-unsuitable type of present. It’s not that they’re horrible, just a strange choice I guess.

Apart from a few instances they have generally been toiletry based. One year she gave me a massive gift box of body shop stuff all in one scent. It wasn’t awful, but as I said to my partner - what if I hadn’t liked it? I’d never mentioned liking it to her and she’d never asked. Surely you’d put the feelers out before choosing a specific thing like that?

There’s been other similar stuff, usually from somewhere ok, like joules or next, but to me, toiletries is a risky, cop out gift generally unless you know exactly what the recipient likes, as it’s subjective while also requiring very little thought usually.

For years I’ve asked for vouchers which have been agreed on, then she’ll get me something completely left field - like recently, tickets to a family theatre trip in 6 months time - it actually clashed with my nephew’s bday but she hadn’t even bothered to check to see whether we could do the date. Needless to say we’ve always bought her and her partner exactly what they’ve asked for. I’ve said we should but partner doesn’t want to rock the boat.

We have a set budget which encompasses bdays as well as xmas. I struggle to find a specific thing I like for this amount but last year I found 2 items from a shop I like which were low in stock. I’ve asked for things in the past for our children’s presents which haven’t been bought in time so I decided to buy them myself before they were sold out. I messaged to say I’d done this and did she want to give them to me as a present? (she’d asked what I wanted). I even offered to send them with her parents for her to wrap and send back with them if she wanted to do that (I know this sounds weird but I guess it’s the same as sending them to her address after ordering them) - I stressed that obv this wasn’t necessary, i could wrap them myself and put with the other family presents (she can be funny about the whole process of gifting and I don’t want to offend). I pointed out it was one less thing for her to worry about as she’s usually very busy.

At first she was fine with this. Then a few days later she text to say that actually she wasn’t, that part of the enjoyment for her especially at xmas was thinking about family and what they’d want and getting this etc and that it was nice to be surprised…. This after years of telling us exactly what she, partner and kids wanted and us complying. Confusing but hey ho. What was also weird was that I always put a lot of thought into gifts for everyone. If she gave me a generic item I’d try and get an interesting version of it, which she’d loved (genuinely). And when this happened, some years she’s got me a token bday present - which is weird bc these xmas gifts are meant to include them (my bday is a couple of weeks after xmas).

Anyway, I had a somewhat disconcerting epiphany last year which upset me at the thought of ‘wow this is such CF’ery I can’t believe it’s true’, while at the same time, ‘of course it’s true - how could I possibly have not seen it before?!!!’

We receive our presents AFTER xmas, when the in-laws retune from their visit to her.

When I say…… she’s a teacher……..

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To state the bleeding obvious - am I the only one thinking she’s been re-gifting me presents her students have been giving her for the last 15 years??????!

How would you feel if this was you and what would you do for this xmas? It may not be true, but it is isn’t it.

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GrantMyWishes · Yesterday 11:46

Sorry if anyone else has said this, although I have read all your responses OP, but can I ask, what would your SIL do if you bought her something else, at half the price? Would she have a hissy fit, sulk but not say anything, etc?

OldPyjamas · Yesterday 11:51

This is one of the reasons we stopped doing adult gifts many years ago

Likewise, we all agreed to stop buying presents once the cousin/nephew etc was over 18. We have about 25 sibling/nephew/niece relatives and the xmas present spending was becoming quite a burden (for some of us, not all).
One of the siblings is fairly well off and wouldn't join in. Said it was spoiling xmas to not exchange gifts. Pretty much on her own with that though. Makes xmas a whole lot less stressful for the rest of us.

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 11:52

I was expecting far more from a "disturbing epiphany", especially after about eight paragraphs of build up and dramatic ellipses and exclamation marks. Like that other thread titled "Ultimate Betrayal" and it was about graduation photos (plus a stupid pointless reversal of sexes).

The Trade Descriptions Act should apply to this stuff!

hmmdunno · Yesterday 11:53

I think your SIL is grasping and this would annoy anybody. And you are a very nice person not to be thinking in terms of reciprocation. Eg getting cardigan that she asked for (but in nasty shade and itchy fabric); vouchers (for specialist plumbing shop); tickets (an evening with Piers Morgan) etc etc.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 11:58

Chilly80 · Yesterday 11:44

You said your DH is happy to spend the money and doesn't want to rock the boat but I'll bet your the one buying and wrapping the gifts right?
I told my DH I wasn't doing it anymore. He lasted 2 years and then suggested ending adult gifts.

Yes you are absolutely right, the amount of presents I have to think of, buy and wrap is eye-watering 😭 I don’t mind so much thinking of what to get ppl, as I do like it, just on equal terms. My OH would just order whatever link he was sent or transfer money over, which wouldn’t help me to feel un-pissed off tbh. I think if I was adamant I wasn’t doing any of it, including birthdays, he’d probably be a lot happier to end it too.

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Torchout · Yesterday 12:02

Rocknrollstar · Yesterday 07:00

Why do adults still buy each other presents?

Because in small families theres no-one else to buy for. I have my sister and BiL and adult children . Luckily we have grandchildren but it won't be long before they're grown up

RafaFan · Yesterday 12:03

Has she ever given you a mug with "world's best teacher " written on it? That would be the decisive point on whether she's regifting or not.

Just give the whole present-giving between adults thing up, and say you're doing presents for kids only.

To be fair, I don't think a Body Shop gift basket is that weird for a SIL gift.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 12:06

hmmdunno · Yesterday 11:53

I think your SIL is grasping and this would annoy anybody. And you are a very nice person not to be thinking in terms of reciprocation. Eg getting cardigan that she asked for (but in nasty shade and itchy fabric); vouchers (for specialist plumbing shop); tickets (an evening with Piers Morgan) etc etc.

Thank you. TBF I did try to get them shit vouchers one year, but they loved them 😂

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 12:07

RafaFan · Yesterday 12:03

Has she ever given you a mug with "world's best teacher " written on it? That would be the decisive point on whether she's regifting or not.

Just give the whole present-giving between adults thing up, and say you're doing presents for kids only.

To be fair, I don't think a Body Shop gift basket is that weird for a SIL gift.

Has she ever given you a mug with "world's best teacher " written on it? That would be the decisive point on whether she's regifting or not.

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 12:17

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 11:52

I was expecting far more from a "disturbing epiphany", especially after about eight paragraphs of build up and dramatic ellipses and exclamation marks. Like that other thread titled "Ultimate Betrayal" and it was about graduation photos (plus a stupid pointless reversal of sexes).

The Trade Descriptions Act should apply to this stuff!

😂 sorry about that - it was a bit of fun and very early in the morning when I wrote it. I should have remembered to apply the MN ‘tongue in cheek’ pre-fix at the beginning. Apologies.

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Happysnappydays · Yesterday 12:21

Now you've decided she's regifting you're totally set on this idea - you have no way of knowing this! Do you even know for sure she receives gifts from parents - secondary teachers don't.
This is taking up too much space in your head. It's not your sister - hand this particular gift buying over to your partner and let the chips fall where they may.

Happyjoe · Yesterday 12:22

Just stop doing presents for adults, easy. All meet up for a slap up lunch or something near Xmas instead.

InLawTwats · Yesterday 12:23

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 11:25

I have ADHD so my headspace is ever expanding to include all sorts of things whether I like it or not. I don’t spend hours obsessing over this but it’s happened for most xmasses I’ve known her and among the dozens of other things that pop into my brain, this was one of them when I started the thread in the early hours. Believe me it’s not a massive problem to me - I have far more serious ones I focus on for far longer.

I have ADHD and haven’t given a Xmas present to anyone in over 20 years. Stop playing along with SIL. She’s a twat. If you must give her something, regift what she gave you to her. You’re not going to change anything being polite.

or be a grown up and call her out for it. My MIL used to give me things like tea towels and dusters until I called her out on it after the second time and told her I wouldn’t accommodate her sexism.

Iamnotalemming · Yesterday 12:27

Two solutions to this madness:

  1. Tell her you're not doing adult gifts anymore because [make up excuse];
  2. Propose your own rules. Secret santa amongst family from now on. Ceiling on price and it must be anonymous and a surprise. No wish lists or it ruins the fun.
Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 12:27

Janetwin · Yesterday 11:46

It didn’t occur to you before this because, unlike what a load of commenters on here are saying, you haven’t been overthinking it. I’ve an issue with the amount of crappy responses from people saying you’re being transactional (if you were, you would have gotten her something cheap and shitty long before now).

But glad the blinkers are off. And she is testing you to see what she can get away with. Have fun with it this year! And please let us know what happens!

Thanks a lot, that’s really kind 🩷

I will update!

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gratefulmezze · Yesterday 12:34

I think you are placing too much importance on gifts, you should stop fixating on what people are getting you and what you think you deserve.
I suspect you have issues with her anyway and you are looking for a reason to be annoyed with her.
You sound petty & ungrateful.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 12:37

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 06:24

I think I need to empathise, I’m not the one who came up with ‘the rules’ and is being controlling over the situation. I’m happy not to do it at all. But if there are rules they should be followed by everyone if that’s the expectation.

Sorry for the glaring typo - emphasise not empathise - I actually re-checked this but have been awake since 2am so apologies.

And no I don’t empathise actually. 😆

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Ponoka7 · Yesterday 12:45

We stopped presents because of my sister's regifting. She has the most money out of us all and we struggled to get her what she'd asked for. The year my Mum died, that was it. She's a compulsive shopper and hoarder. I've never had a decent present from her. Her spending is obscene. Yet she wouldn't dream of treating a family member, not even our Mum, who still worked in her 70s, out of need. My Mum quite happily gave out the stuff she was bought by the children/families that she worked with.

BeardySchnauzer · Yesterday 12:46

I’m finding some of these answers baffling tbh

i don't really care about presents and would prefer not to receive them tbh but if I am buying for others I will put the effort in to get them something they would like. i’m not going to get into a mutual gift giving situation where the other person takes the piss

i’d just leave it to your DH to buy the gifts and completely disengage from it but I would be irked that he made you speak to your brother but won’t do the same for you

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 12:52

GrantMyWishes · Yesterday 11:46

Sorry if anyone else has said this, although I have read all your responses OP, but can I ask, what would your SIL do if you bought her something else, at half the price? Would she have a hissy fit, sulk but not say anything, etc?

I think she’d definitely be peed off. The thing is, despite the distance, when we get together I can chat to her for ages and I like her now, so to get her something deliberately shit wouldn’t be right, however tempting sometimes. I agree with the overall consensus of insisting adults bow out - or actually that if she and her brother want to continue to exchange that’s of course absolutely fine. As long as he deals with all that crap and leave some out of it!

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Melancholyflower · Yesterday 14:37

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 06:50

I have many teacher friends - of course ppl buy them individual gifts!

I do still get some individual gifts, but they are often smaller, more personal things or chocolates, but not really things that I would think of as a gift for a SIl, but as PP says it's usually a voucher these days.
I don't understand the bit about you spending £80, but them only spending £40 on you.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 15:21

Melancholyflower · Yesterday 14:37

I do still get some individual gifts, but they are often smaller, more personal things or chocolates, but not really things that I would think of as a gift for a SIl, but as PP says it's usually a voucher these days.
I don't understand the bit about you spending £80, but them only spending £40 on you.

The idea is it’s £20 each for birthdays and the same for xmas, but instead of faffing with remembering to buy ahead of individual bdays, all the adult gifts are given at xmas. So each adult receives a £40 gift which covers both at Xmas.

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Owl55 · Yesterday 17:55

She buys them in Xmas sales , maybe send your presents after Xmas too??