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SIL Xmas gifts - disturbing epiphany

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:20

NC’d bc previous threads would make this outing.

As it’s approaching the festive season I’d like to ask for advice please. I’ve been with DP well over a decade. Every year his sister gives me some vaguely weird or semi-unsuitable type of present. It’s not that they’re horrible, just a strange choice I guess.

Apart from a few instances they have generally been toiletry based. One year she gave me a massive gift box of body shop stuff all in one scent. It wasn’t awful, but as I said to my partner - what if I hadn’t liked it? I’d never mentioned liking it to her and she’d never asked. Surely you’d put the feelers out before choosing a specific thing like that?

There’s been other similar stuff, usually from somewhere ok, like joules or next, but to me, toiletries is a risky, cop out gift generally unless you know exactly what the recipient likes, as it’s subjective while also requiring very little thought usually.

For years I’ve asked for vouchers which have been agreed on, then she’ll get me something completely left field - like recently, tickets to a family theatre trip in 6 months time - it actually clashed with my nephew’s bday but she hadn’t even bothered to check to see whether we could do the date. Needless to say we’ve always bought her and her partner exactly what they’ve asked for. I’ve said we should but partner doesn’t want to rock the boat.

We have a set budget which encompasses bdays as well as xmas. I struggle to find a specific thing I like for this amount but last year I found 2 items from a shop I like which were low in stock. I’ve asked for things in the past for our children’s presents which haven’t been bought in time so I decided to buy them myself before they were sold out. I messaged to say I’d done this and did she want to give them to me as a present? (she’d asked what I wanted). I even offered to send them with her parents for her to wrap and send back with them if she wanted to do that (I know this sounds weird but I guess it’s the same as sending them to her address after ordering them) - I stressed that obv this wasn’t necessary, i could wrap them myself and put with the other family presents (she can be funny about the whole process of gifting and I don’t want to offend). I pointed out it was one less thing for her to worry about as she’s usually very busy.

At first she was fine with this. Then a few days later she text to say that actually she wasn’t, that part of the enjoyment for her especially at xmas was thinking about family and what they’d want and getting this etc and that it was nice to be surprised…. This after years of telling us exactly what she, partner and kids wanted and us complying. Confusing but hey ho. What was also weird was that I always put a lot of thought into gifts for everyone. If she gave me a generic item I’d try and get an interesting version of it, which she’d loved (genuinely). And when this happened, some years she’s got me a token bday present - which is weird bc these xmas gifts are meant to include them (my bday is a couple of weeks after xmas).

Anyway, I had a somewhat disconcerting epiphany last year which upset me at the thought of ‘wow this is such CF’ery I can’t believe it’s true’, while at the same time, ‘of course it’s true - how could I possibly have not seen it before?!!!’

We receive our presents AFTER xmas, when the in-laws retune from their visit to her.

When I say…… she’s a teacher……..

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To state the bleeding obvious - am I the only one thinking she’s been re-gifting me presents her students have been giving her for the last 15 years??????!

How would you feel if this was you and what would you do for this xmas? It may not be true, but it is isn’t it.

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Jaichangecentfoisdenom · Yesterday 08:37

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:31

I love this, unfortunately they live at the opposite end of the country and we don’t see them often, never at xmas. I agree it’s a partner problem. The thing is my b+w thinking is enraged by the inequality. It’s not a matter of personal finances, we could do a much smaller amount and sack off one or both things, it’s the fact SIL is the one who drives this but doesn’t play by her own rules and it comes off as she’s making a buck at our expense - despite everyone who is claiming I’m the one who is grabby and entitled etc, I’m peed off that we’re paying for things and they aren’t. £80 for the pair of them is expensive at xmas!

Hey-ho. I will try and negotiate a no-adult solution with my partner but I don’t want to come across as the one breaking ‘tradition’. If I leave it all to him he’ll buy her exactly what she wants and she’ll give me re-gifts/ thoughtless ‘tat’ and him something he’ll vaguely like, that he’s actually disappointed with but not really bothered by.

Would anyone (apart from SIL) notice were you to quietly keep the present she gives you till the following Christmas, and you re-gift it to her then? If she had the gall to mention it, you could tell her how lucky you were to be able to find exactly the same thing as she got you, obviously she must like it since she thought it so special as to choose it for you last year. If she persists and says but it's not what I asked for, you can say, right back at you.

Genevieva · Yesterday 08:38

Just say on balance you’ve decided not to do adult presents then, as it doesn’t work for you.

Jollygollygosh · Yesterday 08:42

Honestly, gifts for adults are a thing of the past.

We all have too much stuff, just stop.

Darkines · Yesterday 08:42

Yanbu.
She's dumping shite on you.
Its always clear when a thread hits a nerve and I reckon there are a few regifters dumping on family on this thread.
I have regift Jo Malone candles and other expensive items in my time too.
But never to close family or friends.
As advised just drop the gifting for the planet.
I cannot fathom that this has gone on for years.
Take a stand, with your partner and his sister.
Moving tat around at Christmas is tedious.

LakelandHiker · Yesterday 08:42

My SIL once gave me a five pack of black socks from M&S, with the £8 label still on. Meanwhile she had sent us a list which we adhered to, spending £30. I felt like I had received a lump of coal - would have loved your body shop set instead!

yellowpig · Yesterday 08:48

You're an adult. You're behaving like a child. Buy your own Christmas gifts and be grateful you're getting a present from her. We don't do gifts for adults in our family because of the drama it causes.

Summeriscumin · Yesterday 08:49

I'm a retired teacher and I think you have hit the nail on the head.

I used to charity shop presents I couldn't use.

yellowpig · Yesterday 08:49

Jollygollygosh · Yesterday 08:42

Honestly, gifts for adults are a thing of the past.

We all have too much stuff, just stop.

This ! It reeks of greed and consumerism.

Velvian · Yesterday 08:51

@Finallyseenthelights , a few years ago we moved to Secret Santa for all adults on both sides of our families, it means that each adult only buys 1 gift for 1 other adult. We still do normal gifting for DC.

We use a website that matches everyone and emails them to tell them who their match is. The best part is that you can set rules to prevent certain people being matched with each other, so you can make sure SIL or her H don't get you.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:51

Franjipanl8r · Yesterday 06:22

I’m ND and it’s the disparity in fairness that pisses me off I must admit.

I’m sorry but your idea of what gifts are about is very transactional. You seem to think gifts are about getting exactly what the other person wants for a set amount of money - why not just buy it yourself?!

Sorry? Isn’t this a fairly common type of gift giving? Especially among family members? Of course ppl buy things off their own bat, that’s admittedly the more common, but to suggest ppl don’t ask what someone would like and then buy it for them is an alien concept is nonsense. Also, she started that way of doing things, but as I’ve explained MANY times now, it’s strictly one-sided.

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Screamingabdabz · Yesterday 08:52

I don’t know why you are getting such chippy replies op, I think most (normal) people would be irked at being directed what to spend £80 on each Christmas only to get random thoughtless shit in return.

And I say this as a ‘love language’ gift giver - I really think deeply about it, what that person would really like. I keep to a rough budget but cost isn’t the main priority. The thought and studying people and what they like is. I never give toiletry sets or candles. Even hearing about shit gifts and ‘regifts’ just makes me sad because it reminds me of how selfish and thoughtless some people can be.

So I was dismayed each year when my SIL would give us a £40 Debenhams voucher and we would get her a £40 M&S voucher. I mean, how pointless... And my skill of tailored gift-giving unused. I had loads of great ideas but my DH was determined (in retrospect) to make it as easy and as transactional for them as possible. Reduce the angst, reduce the stress at Christmas. I wouldn’t have done it like that, but it was his pragmatic approach to an annual issue with tricky relatives.

My advice to you is leave it to your DH to tell her that due to the COL, you are no longer doing adult presents. Just a nice card will do.

GreengrocersApostrophe · Yesterday 08:53

All these words and emotions, none of it matters. Every single item is eventually landfill.

Cut off the head, and the body will die...ie., either TELL her (jointly) that you aren't doing gifts and don't want gifts any more, or stick to the exact amount they spend on you. Forty quid was it? Bottle of something nice, or cashmere socks. Every year. Done.

**Edited to add; yes she is in the wrong though. You owe her no consideration, she doesn't extend it to you, but maybe she's just like that? I wouldn't lose sleep over her lame efforts. Just simplify it all. For yourself.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:54

Franjipanl8r · Yesterday 06:29

But you don’t need to think of exactly what they’re into. Gifts are pot luck - sometimes we like them, sometimes we don’t and that’s fine. If surprises are outside your comfort zone - let your DH do the gift buying and giving.

I’m lucky enough to receive gifts from more than my SIL and of course it’s pot luck - that’s what makes it fun and ‘interesting’. She doesn’t want to do this tho.

edited for typo

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Janetwin · Yesterday 08:55

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:56

Exchanging gifts between adult relatives isn’t that weird is it? And she’s the instigator of the rules. We follow them and if we step outside them she doesn’t like it, but they don’t apply to her. She’s not a horrible person, but it’s weird most years bc she asks what we’d like and says she’ll get it then doesn’t, or we agree vouchers for everyone and she’ll get some bizarre, un-related gift or a selection of hand cream and body lotions 🤣

“She’s not a horrible person” … some of the most fun people I know to be around (I’m thinking of three in particular) are spectacularly tight when it comes to gift giving (you’d be lucky to get anything out of them) or even if they arrive at my house for dinner or a party, they’ll always be empty handed. They’ll all much richer and financial secure than I am (absolute fact). I think they just have some weird relationship with money and giving. Like it would kill them to be generous, to part with anything or do anyone a favour. No problem spending money on themselves though. It’s very weird

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:55

GreengrocersApostrophe · Yesterday 08:53

All these words and emotions, none of it matters. Every single item is eventually landfill.

Cut off the head, and the body will die...ie., either TELL her (jointly) that you aren't doing gifts and don't want gifts any more, or stick to the exact amount they spend on you. Forty quid was it? Bottle of something nice, or cashmere socks. Every year. Done.

**Edited to add; yes she is in the wrong though. You owe her no consideration, she doesn't extend it to you, but maybe she's just like that? I wouldn't lose sleep over her lame efforts. Just simplify it all. For yourself.

Edited

Thanks for your post, appreciated

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Namechangewegovyjune26 · Yesterday 08:55

Lostthetastefordahlias · Yesterday 05:44

This is all madness just agree to just do gifts for kids from now on. No way would I be spending this amount of time thinking about whether my sister in law has complied with some weirdly transactional gifting arrangement between adults. Just enjoy each other’s company at christmas and leave this strange arrangement behind - she clearly does not want to invest in it.

This!! Either do a secret Santa or you only buy gifts for the kids and the grandparents. No more adults telling adults what to buy!!

Namechangewegovyjune26 · Yesterday 08:56

But in answer to the thread, yes I think she probably has been regifting haha 😅

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:57

Janetwin · Yesterday 08:55

“She’s not a horrible person” … some of the most fun people I know to be around (I’m thinking of three in particular) are spectacularly tight when it comes to gift giving (you’d be lucky to get anything out of them) or even if they arrive at my house for dinner or a party, they’ll always be empty handed. They’ll all much richer and financial secure than I am (absolute fact). I think they just have some weird relationship with money and giving. Like it would kill them to be generous, to part with anything or do anyone a favour. No problem spending money on themselves though. It’s very weird

Yeah there must be some weird sort of psychology behind it for sure

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Screamingabdabz · Yesterday 08:58

Janetwin · Yesterday 08:55

“She’s not a horrible person” … some of the most fun people I know to be around (I’m thinking of three in particular) are spectacularly tight when it comes to gift giving (you’d be lucky to get anything out of them) or even if they arrive at my house for dinner or a party, they’ll always be empty handed. They’ll all much richer and financial secure than I am (absolute fact). I think they just have some weird relationship with money and giving. Like it would kill them to be generous, to part with anything or do anyone a favour. No problem spending money on themselves though. It’s very weird

I know people like this. The wealthy tight. I don’t know how they are not embarrassed. But they are brazenly tight and get away with it!

Janetwin · Yesterday 09:02

Alltheusefulitems · Yesterday 05:45

Honestly I wouldn't think anything of it but then I also wouldn't think twice about giving my SIL a bodyshop basket of the same scented products 😬

I actually would quite like the massive box of body shop stuff as a gift! But maybe the bar is low for me as I’ve gotten some awful “gifts” over the years! I’ve even put my foot in it a few times as I assumed there was some joke I had forgotten and said “I don’t get it” on receipt. Only for the giver to snarl “it’s a gift” and get angry at me for my lack of gratitude! 😝
in fairness… who gives someone a bag of cheap supermarket coffee as a gift? Or a box of 4 plain white cups - think office canteen plain white cups, unwrapped, in a brown cardboard delivery box or a small tube of l’occitane hand cream in a brown Amazon envelope… 😬

Janetwin · Yesterday 09:04

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:51

The thing is we have absolutely no problem not doing adult gifts, or lowering the amount- she doesn’t want to. So we spend £80 on her and her husband and they spend £40 max on the pair of us - how is that fair?

It’s not fair. She’s taking the piss. And I’d even say at this stage, she’s pushing to see how far can go and get away with it. You do need to push back as she’s lost respect for you.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 09:04

Screamingabdabz · Yesterday 08:52

I don’t know why you are getting such chippy replies op, I think most (normal) people would be irked at being directed what to spend £80 on each Christmas only to get random thoughtless shit in return.

And I say this as a ‘love language’ gift giver - I really think deeply about it, what that person would really like. I keep to a rough budget but cost isn’t the main priority. The thought and studying people and what they like is. I never give toiletry sets or candles. Even hearing about shit gifts and ‘regifts’ just makes me sad because it reminds me of how selfish and thoughtless some people can be.

So I was dismayed each year when my SIL would give us a £40 Debenhams voucher and we would get her a £40 M&S voucher. I mean, how pointless... And my skill of tailored gift-giving unused. I had loads of great ideas but my DH was determined (in retrospect) to make it as easy and as transactional for them as possible. Reduce the angst, reduce the stress at Christmas. I wouldn’t have done it like that, but it was his pragmatic approach to an annual issue with tricky relatives.

My advice to you is leave it to your DH to tell her that due to the COL, you are no longer doing adult presents. Just a nice card will do.

You sound lovely, thank you so much for your post. I’m on the same wave-length love language wise. I actually really enjoy thinking of things to buy ppl I care about too and know I can invest too much time, but would never expect that level to be matched. But you do expect some thought don’t you, from certain ppl in your life. I agree vouchers can be a bit soulless and pointless, but the positive is there is no waste or disappointment and you can think of that person when you use and enjoy ‘their’ gift. Also despite paying the same amount for the same thing virtually it IS something from them, pathetic as that sounds, tho as we have had little to no success in this area either I think it’s time to finally draw a line in the sand over it all.

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Winter2020 · Yesterday 09:06

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 07:25

Thanks. I think the time has come for us to go child only and keep the £80

I think it would be best to do this by saying "We are not going to buy for adults anymore for people who have children - we are only going to buy for the children so please don't buy for us"
Frame it as a done deal that you aren't doing it. If SIL chooses to buy for you anyway I doubt that she will keep it up for long.

Ophy83 · Yesterday 09:07

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 06:07

This would be the adult NT method. I’m ND and it’s the disparity in fairness that pisses me off I must admit. I don’t mind not doing presents, or setting the limit to below a tenner. But for us to spend £80+ on her and her husband and her pretend to do the same when we’re not well-off is shitty behaviour. My partner will pay it bc he’s a good man and doesn’t want to upset anyone but I’m annoyed for him, and if she is literally sending over some student cast offs she doesn’t want and I’ve not asked for I will admit at being hurt that she hasn’t bothered to make more of an effort, petty as that sounds. To tell her directly - please stop sending toiletries (or generic teacher gifts) over is a difficult conversation to have.

Say you've been reacting to various products so please avoid giving toiletries

Maddy70 · Yesterday 09:12

And .... They are all expensive gifts not the kind a teacher gets. I would live a massive body shop box (they really aren't cheap) I would also love theatre tickets. She likes to shop for gifts clearly just because you don't particularly like them doesn't mean she's being strange. Also if im ever given a list I bin in. I think that's so entitled and where is the suprise?

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