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SIL Xmas gifts - disturbing epiphany

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:20

NC’d bc previous threads would make this outing.

As it’s approaching the festive season I’d like to ask for advice please. I’ve been with DP well over a decade. Every year his sister gives me some vaguely weird or semi-unsuitable type of present. It’s not that they’re horrible, just a strange choice I guess.

Apart from a few instances they have generally been toiletry based. One year she gave me a massive gift box of body shop stuff all in one scent. It wasn’t awful, but as I said to my partner - what if I hadn’t liked it? I’d never mentioned liking it to her and she’d never asked. Surely you’d put the feelers out before choosing a specific thing like that?

There’s been other similar stuff, usually from somewhere ok, like joules or next, but to me, toiletries is a risky, cop out gift generally unless you know exactly what the recipient likes, as it’s subjective while also requiring very little thought usually.

For years I’ve asked for vouchers which have been agreed on, then she’ll get me something completely left field - like recently, tickets to a family theatre trip in 6 months time - it actually clashed with my nephew’s bday but she hadn’t even bothered to check to see whether we could do the date. Needless to say we’ve always bought her and her partner exactly what they’ve asked for. I’ve said we should but partner doesn’t want to rock the boat.

We have a set budget which encompasses bdays as well as xmas. I struggle to find a specific thing I like for this amount but last year I found 2 items from a shop I like which were low in stock. I’ve asked for things in the past for our children’s presents which haven’t been bought in time so I decided to buy them myself before they were sold out. I messaged to say I’d done this and did she want to give them to me as a present? (she’d asked what I wanted). I even offered to send them with her parents for her to wrap and send back with them if she wanted to do that (I know this sounds weird but I guess it’s the same as sending them to her address after ordering them) - I stressed that obv this wasn’t necessary, i could wrap them myself and put with the other family presents (she can be funny about the whole process of gifting and I don’t want to offend). I pointed out it was one less thing for her to worry about as she’s usually very busy.

At first she was fine with this. Then a few days later she text to say that actually she wasn’t, that part of the enjoyment for her especially at xmas was thinking about family and what they’d want and getting this etc and that it was nice to be surprised…. This after years of telling us exactly what she, partner and kids wanted and us complying. Confusing but hey ho. What was also weird was that I always put a lot of thought into gifts for everyone. If she gave me a generic item I’d try and get an interesting version of it, which she’d loved (genuinely). And when this happened, some years she’s got me a token bday present - which is weird bc these xmas gifts are meant to include them (my bday is a couple of weeks after xmas).

Anyway, I had a somewhat disconcerting epiphany last year which upset me at the thought of ‘wow this is such CF’ery I can’t believe it’s true’, while at the same time, ‘of course it’s true - how could I possibly have not seen it before?!!!’

We receive our presents AFTER xmas, when the in-laws retune from their visit to her.

When I say…… she’s a teacher……..

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To state the bleeding obvious - am I the only one thinking she’s been re-gifting me presents her students have been giving her for the last 15 years??????!

How would you feel if this was you and what would you do for this xmas? It may not be true, but it is isn’t it.

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CopeNorth · Yesterday 09:13

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 08:51

Sorry? Isn’t this a fairly common type of gift giving? Especially among family members? Of course ppl buy things off their own bat, that’s admittedly the more common, but to suggest ppl don’t ask what someone would like and then buy it for them is an alien concept is nonsense. Also, she started that way of doing things, but as I’ve explained MANY times now, it’s strictly one-sided.

No! Otherwise what’s the point you may as well just buy the gift for yourself. A completely transactional gift giving arrangement where you buy the gift and send for the other person to wrap isn’t what it’s about for me.

A few things here, an exhausting level of overthinking. These are your in laws - leave it all to your partner and don’t give it a second thought. We do adult secret Santa with one side of the family and it’s really good fun. All the adults get one really nice gift. Then just buy for children. With friends we often agree to forego gifts and do something together - meal/spa etc

gullgal · Yesterday 09:13

Neither of the presents you mention seen strange to me. I wouldn't like the body shop one because I don't like anything perfumed but I wouldn't think it strange at all. It just sounds as if you don't like her

HelenHywater · Yesterday 09:13

You're really overthinking this. Let your husband get his side of the family presents and leave him to it. Spend £20 and be done with it.

TreadLightly3 · Yesterday 09:13

You should get her something similar to what she gets you this year (eg lower-priced toiletries or similar) and when she has the gall to complain about how different they are from what she asked for you can simply point out that that’s what she’s been doing for the last several years so what’s the difference? Would love to see her face… Even if she goes passive aggressive and doesn’t mention it but slags you off behind your back to her partner or whatever at least you’ve saved yourself 50-60 quid and more importantly no longer feel like a mug x

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 09:14

Janetwin · Yesterday 09:02

I actually would quite like the massive box of body shop stuff as a gift! But maybe the bar is low for me as I’ve gotten some awful “gifts” over the years! I’ve even put my foot in it a few times as I assumed there was some joke I had forgotten and said “I don’t get it” on receipt. Only for the giver to snarl “it’s a gift” and get angry at me for my lack of gratitude! 😝
in fairness… who gives someone a bag of cheap supermarket coffee as a gift? Or a box of 4 plain white cups - think office canteen plain white cups, unwrapped, in a brown cardboard delivery box or a small tube of l’occitane hand cream in a brown Amazon envelope… 😬

Oh no! That’s awful!

But do you know what, you’ve just supplied probably the best unintentional pass-agg comment that I think I may have to employ from here on out if a gift is questionable! 😂

Thank you 🩷

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Ethelspagetti · Yesterday 09:16

Yes she is 100% regifting to you! Honestly I’d get husband to message them saying that,
“due to the cost of living, we no longer want to exchange presents at Christmas anymore. We hope that you understand. We will
still be sending cards.” That’s what we did 16 years ago and it’s been brilliant spending the money on ourselves and the children instead of sharing the budget to extended family! The children get what they want and we don’t get a pile of tat from the extended family! I did the same with a friend too as my thoughtful gift of their favourite expensive bottle of booze meant I got a candle and some cheap socks that didn’t fit my size 6 feet! You will love it!

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 09:17

Winter2020 · Yesterday 09:06

I think it would be best to do this by saying "We are not going to buy for adults anymore for people who have children - we are only going to buy for the children so please don't buy for us"
Frame it as a done deal that you aren't doing it. If SIL chooses to buy for you anyway I doubt that she will keep it up for long.

This is really good, thank you, presenting it as a fait d’acomplis, no argument, done deal is a brilliant strategy, thanks! 🩷

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mondaytosunday · Yesterday 09:17

Goodness yes she may indeed be regifting things she got from somewhere, though surely not for the kids and your DH? And she doesn’t dictate what you do. If your DH agrees, just say no gifts for adults from now on. She likes it or lumps it!

CircusTents · Yesterday 09:17

I hate giving vouchers. It's weird and feels like giving someone cash. I'd prefer to do no presents at all than vouchers. Maybe she feels the same. Personally I'd say a voucher is more of a cop out than a toiletry set!

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 09:18

Ophy83 · Yesterday 09:07

Say you've been reacting to various products so please avoid giving toiletries

This is great too, I’d never thought to do this! Thanks 🩷

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 09:19

CircusTents · Yesterday 09:17

I hate giving vouchers. It's weird and feels like giving someone cash. I'd prefer to do no presents at all than vouchers. Maybe she feels the same. Personally I'd say a voucher is more of a cop out than a toiletry set!

But she’s happy to accept them!😄 she can’t hate them that much 🤣

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 09:20

Ethelspagetti · Yesterday 09:16

Yes she is 100% regifting to you! Honestly I’d get husband to message them saying that,
“due to the cost of living, we no longer want to exchange presents at Christmas anymore. We hope that you understand. We will
still be sending cards.” That’s what we did 16 years ago and it’s been brilliant spending the money on ourselves and the children instead of sharing the budget to extended family! The children get what they want and we don’t get a pile of tat from the extended family! I did the same with a friend too as my thoughtful gift of their favourite expensive bottle of booze meant I got a candle and some cheap socks that didn’t fit my size 6 feet! You will love it!

Thanks, I think this is the way to go

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IndieRocknRoll · Yesterday 09:20

To be honest it all sounds a bit transactional and you do come across as a little grabby.
In this situation you just need to say ‘we’ve decided with cost of living etc, we’re just going to buy for the kids, hope you understand’. Then pocket the £80 and spend it on something nice.

whippersnapper55 · Yesterday 09:21

Do people really get this worked up over Christmas gifts? How exhausting! I couldn't tell you what gifts I got last year, nor what I bought for other people! If they're regifted, I really wouldn't care 😳

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 09:22

mondaytosunday · Yesterday 09:17

Goodness yes she may indeed be regifting things she got from somewhere, though surely not for the kids and your DH? And she doesn’t dictate what you do. If your DH agrees, just say no gifts for adults from now on. She likes it or lumps it!

She hasn’t managed to regift children’s gifts as they usually come sealed or in a box and she’s much better at following guidance regarding what they’re into, tho not always. I am grateful for what effort she does put their way tho

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Janetwin · Yesterday 09:23

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 06:07

This would be the adult NT method. I’m ND and it’s the disparity in fairness that pisses me off I must admit. I don’t mind not doing presents, or setting the limit to below a tenner. But for us to spend £80+ on her and her husband and her pretend to do the same when we’re not well-off is shitty behaviour. My partner will pay it bc he’s a good man and doesn’t want to upset anyone but I’m annoyed for him, and if she is literally sending over some student cast offs she doesn’t want and I’ve not asked for I will admit at being hurt that she hasn’t bothered to make more of an effort, petty as that sounds. To tell her directly - please stop sending toiletries (or generic teacher gifts) over is a difficult conversation to have.

i would have the exact same reaction as you. Aside - is that an ND thing? Coz I think I’m NT .. asking genuinely

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 09:24

whippersnapper55 · Yesterday 09:21

Do people really get this worked up over Christmas gifts? How exhausting! I couldn't tell you what gifts I got last year, nor what I bought for other people! If they're regifted, I really wouldn't care 😳

You’d probably object to spending money on someone who won’t spend any on you, unless you’re so well off it’s of no consequence to you?

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Janetwin · Yesterday 09:25

JustChillin70 · Yesterday 05:50

A massive gift box of Body Shop toiletries doesn’t sound like a gift I would expect a teacher to receive from a pupil, so I wouldn’t assume it was a regift from there. Don’t teachers usually just get tons of mugs, candles, chocolate, etc.
I definitely think you’re overthinking this. Just match her style of gift giving if it bothers you that much or just draw a line under gifting each other things at Christmas.

box of body shop products is def a teacher gift. And I know a few teachers.

PepsiBook · Yesterday 09:25

If she's asking you for specific gifts, you buy them but she won't return the favour... Why are you sill doing it?

somanychristmaslights · Yesterday 09:26

Adults giving adults presents that they know what it is as they’ve asked for it. Madness. Just stop buying adults presents and buy stuff you want yourself!!

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Yesterday 09:29

I’d just take any unwanted toiletry presents - assuming unopened - to a food bank.

Roundbutsquaretoo · Yesterday 09:29

I love a pair of socks for Christmas. Buy socks, you can buy from Stand Out Socks if you want to support a decent cause whilst your there. Their socks are great, not cheap and supportive of a fantastic company.

I'm guessing from your posts that you do the purchasing of the gifts so buy what you want to buy. What is she going to do? Ask why you didn't spend more? Maybe she'll agree to stop the adult gifts but she's unlikely to agree whilst your actually buying her what she wants.

flowerkiller · Yesterday 09:29

My sil was a regifter. I’ve had some corkers!. We stopped exchanging gifts years ago after I got an opened bottle of wine and a body butter that had finger marks in it. We just buy for the dc.

Janetwin · Yesterday 09:29

IndieRocknRoll · Yesterday 09:20

To be honest it all sounds a bit transactional and you do come across as a little grabby.
In this situation you just need to say ‘we’ve decided with cost of living etc, we’re just going to buy for the kids, hope you understand’. Then pocket the £80 and spend it on something nice.

Exchanging Christmas gifts sounds “transactional” to you? I think that reflects your own view of people exchanging gifts which is kinda sad. If done in kindness, a gift should show thoughtfulness.

And you say the OP sounds “grubby”… I think you mean the SIL sounds grubby, right?

maudelovesharold · Yesterday 09:35

Just spend the amount you set on a (nice) gift you decide on, and if she complains, just say that you always love the surprise element of opening her gifts to you, and thought how much nicer it is and that she’d enjoy doing the same! It’ll make you feel much better if you start dictating the pace a bit more, with how much and what you give them.

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