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SIL Xmas gifts - disturbing epiphany

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Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:20

NC’d bc previous threads would make this outing.

As it’s approaching the festive season I’d like to ask for advice please. I’ve been with DP well over a decade. Every year his sister gives me some vaguely weird or semi-unsuitable type of present. It’s not that they’re horrible, just a strange choice I guess.

Apart from a few instances they have generally been toiletry based. One year she gave me a massive gift box of body shop stuff all in one scent. It wasn’t awful, but as I said to my partner - what if I hadn’t liked it? I’d never mentioned liking it to her and she’d never asked. Surely you’d put the feelers out before choosing a specific thing like that?

There’s been other similar stuff, usually from somewhere ok, like joules or next, but to me, toiletries is a risky, cop out gift generally unless you know exactly what the recipient likes, as it’s subjective while also requiring very little thought usually.

For years I’ve asked for vouchers which have been agreed on, then she’ll get me something completely left field - like recently, tickets to a family theatre trip in 6 months time - it actually clashed with my nephew’s bday but she hadn’t even bothered to check to see whether we could do the date. Needless to say we’ve always bought her and her partner exactly what they’ve asked for. I’ve said we should but partner doesn’t want to rock the boat.

We have a set budget which encompasses bdays as well as xmas. I struggle to find a specific thing I like for this amount but last year I found 2 items from a shop I like which were low in stock. I’ve asked for things in the past for our children’s presents which haven’t been bought in time so I decided to buy them myself before they were sold out. I messaged to say I’d done this and did she want to give them to me as a present? (she’d asked what I wanted). I even offered to send them with her parents for her to wrap and send back with them if she wanted to do that (I know this sounds weird but I guess it’s the same as sending them to her address after ordering them) - I stressed that obv this wasn’t necessary, i could wrap them myself and put with the other family presents (she can be funny about the whole process of gifting and I don’t want to offend). I pointed out it was one less thing for her to worry about as she’s usually very busy.

At first she was fine with this. Then a few days later she text to say that actually she wasn’t, that part of the enjoyment for her especially at xmas was thinking about family and what they’d want and getting this etc and that it was nice to be surprised…. This after years of telling us exactly what she, partner and kids wanted and us complying. Confusing but hey ho. What was also weird was that I always put a lot of thought into gifts for everyone. If she gave me a generic item I’d try and get an interesting version of it, which she’d loved (genuinely). And when this happened, some years she’s got me a token bday present - which is weird bc these xmas gifts are meant to include them (my bday is a couple of weeks after xmas).

Anyway, I had a somewhat disconcerting epiphany last year which upset me at the thought of ‘wow this is such CF’ery I can’t believe it’s true’, while at the same time, ‘of course it’s true - how could I possibly have not seen it before?!!!’

We receive our presents AFTER xmas, when the in-laws retune from their visit to her.

When I say…… she’s a teacher……..

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To state the bleeding obvious - am I the only one thinking she’s been re-gifting me presents her students have been giving her for the last 15 years??????!

How would you feel if this was you and what would you do for this xmas? It may not be true, but it is isn’t it.

OP posts:
onyxtulip · Yesterday 10:26

It really doesn't sound like you're giving her gifts in the spirit of gifting at all and, that being the case, what is the point at all? We don't give to receive, surely

Bedtimeread · Yesterday 10:30

I have started treating my in-laws as they treat me, my children and husband, I would suggest you do the same.

TheBlueKoala · Yesterday 10:32

@Finallyseenthelights Tell the CF that you have decided to not do adult gifts from now on. Or give her something crappy like she does.

CatSquirrelDuck · Yesterday 10:38

JustChillin70 · Yesterday 05:50

A massive gift box of Body Shop toiletries doesn’t sound like a gift I would expect a teacher to receive from a pupil, so I wouldn’t assume it was a regift from there. Don’t teachers usually just get tons of mugs, candles, chocolate, etc.
I definitely think you’re overthinking this. Just match her style of gift giving if it bothers you that much or just draw a line under gifting each other things at Christmas.

I've had such things from students... don't be so sure...

godmum56 · Yesterday 10:39

Husband's family? Husband deals with it. Given shite? donate, bin or regift. Don't give it headroom. Sil moans about what she was given? refer to husband who chose the gift.

Gwenhwyfar · Yesterday 10:43

Alltheusefulitems · Yesterday 05:45

Honestly I wouldn't think anything of it but then I also wouldn't think twice about giving my SIL a bodyshop basket of the same scented products 😬

I mean, these are popular gift sets that lots of people buy!

blondeseaside · Yesterday 10:46

My friend always gives me things that are obviously samples! It's bizarre given that she is very well off.

Funandnames · Yesterday 10:48

Oh I feel your pain. We played this game with SIL for years. She got us good a few times. One year we agreed and sent screenshots of the exact Disney brand costumes to get each others daughters - they can be quite expensive. My daughter’s never arrived and then months later a package from China lands - she’d let us buy her daughter the £40 version and got our daughter the £7 Chinese export! She is the first to send photos of exact toys circled from the store website - then she’ll pull a re-gift. The best one was when our middle daughter was born we opened up the gift and it had a gift receipt - it was dated 2 years earlier on the month her daughter was born!

Needless to say 2 years ago we put our foot down and said no grown up gifts and just send cash for kids. Finally starting to even things out! And before you say ‘is she struggling financially’ - she has always been stingy and received over 6 figures worth of inheritance in that time (with more to come).

ThisCraftyAquaHedgehog · Yesterday 10:53

Sheeesh!
Some threads really do make me appreciate my/OH's family.

Cannot imagine dealing with all this gossip, overthinking, competitive gift giving, etc.

SquirrelNemesis · Yesterday 10:57

How do people have so few problems and so much free headspace that they spend so much time and mental energy on stuff like this?

I just cannot grasp caring so much about this. You need a hobby or five, and to switch to just doing gifts for kids (and if the in-laws really aren’t on board with that then just tell you’re OH that he’s responsible for their gifts moving forwards).

Frillysweetpea · Yesterday 10:59

bearinthebigbluespouse · Yesterday 06:07

The only adults I buy gifts for are my Mum, Dad, and husband and vice versa.

The rest of us all just buy for the kids. It saves a lot of time and money, and no one really wants new 'stuff'. Highly recommend!

This. Chat to your husband and get him to tell her this is what you are doing. If he won't then you have a completely different problem!

NewNameW · Yesterday 11:17

Vouchers and exchanging cash is so pointless

The point of a gift is it's a surprise, you buy someone what you think they'd like. Asking for vouchers - me and my brother and sister did that for a few years now we just have a token amount to buy each other something, there is no pressure to get anything right but if I'm buying them both £25 vouchers, and they are giving me back £25 vouchers - shouldn't we just keep the cash?

Tell her you don't want to do gifts if you don't want a gift, but don't ask for vouchers

Hellohelga · Yesterday 11:20

We just do secret Santa for Christmas now all dc are adults but when they were small for years we did no adult presents and gifts for all DC. I did buy sth for my mum though. I much prefer it. Christmas is about getting together not buying tons of stuff.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 11:25

SquirrelNemesis · Yesterday 10:57

How do people have so few problems and so much free headspace that they spend so much time and mental energy on stuff like this?

I just cannot grasp caring so much about this. You need a hobby or five, and to switch to just doing gifts for kids (and if the in-laws really aren’t on board with that then just tell you’re OH that he’s responsible for their gifts moving forwards).

I have ADHD so my headspace is ever expanding to include all sorts of things whether I like it or not. I don’t spend hours obsessing over this but it’s happened for most xmasses I’ve known her and among the dozens of other things that pop into my brain, this was one of them when I started the thread in the early hours. Believe me it’s not a massive problem to me - I have far more serious ones I focus on for far longer.

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zingally · Yesterday 11:30

I've had similar issues with my BIL over the years. He's always been very weird about presents, when asked what he wanted, he'd come back with a vaguely sniffy, "Get me something YOU think I'd like." No guidance what that could be.

Last year, he dropped the ball entirely. I made him up a foodie hamper. All stuff I know he really, really likes. None of it was a fortune, I probably spent about £30.

In exchange, he gave me a single, smallish box of chocolates, in a brand I'd never once expressed any interest in, and a fairly low-level brand at that. They were Nestle Black Magic. Nothing against them, but that's the gift you give to your kid's class teaching assistant, not the SIL you've known for 20 years. I googled the price. About £8 from Tesco.

I didn't make a fuss, thanked him, and made a mental note. THIS year, he won't even get a few boxes of the sweets he particularly likes. It'll be a box of supermarket biscuits. And if anyone asks, I'll just say, "Oh? I thought we were just doing token presents from now on?" I'm matching his energy.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 11:31

Janetwin · Yesterday 09:25

box of body shop products is def a teacher gift. And I know a few teachers.

Yes, I have no idea why the thought never occurred before - it makes so much sense! And it may have been an end of year present which she put aside as they tend to be bigger than xmas presents to teachers as a rule.

Aside from the assumption someone will like numerous items with the same smell, it wasn’t about bashing that particular gift (if I liked the smell I’d have loved it probably despite what I said about cop out toiletries!) it was more the fact that she was expecting money spent while not doing the same. If she’d said moneys tight etc of course I’d have understood etc, and would probably have still spent the same amount of cash on them - it’s the ‘deceit’ for want of a better word if that makes sense. I guess it’s awkward telling someone you’re re-gifting but it is cheeky expecting a £40 gift yourself. Anyway I think I’ve made that point now! 😅

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ClaireEclair · Yesterday 11:31

This is why I think Christmas gift giving should only be for kids and young people. If someone gets me a gift I’m grateful but usually it’s from Boots as part of the three for two deal without much thought. I always tell my cousin not to waste her money on presents but I still get a something Boots related every year from her.

Itiswhysofew · Yesterday 11:32

This is why I cannot bear Christmas present exchanges. Why do we do it?

Sorry, not very helpful to you, OP.

jay55 · Yesterday 11:32

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:52

The thing is - she IS telling us what to get her, and her entire family, which we do bc she says she will do the same. She rarely, if ever does.

But her something random and tell her you took a leaf out of her book and really enjoyed thinking about what she’d like as a surprise.

1ladybird · Yesterday 11:34

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 05:20

NC’d bc previous threads would make this outing.

As it’s approaching the festive season I’d like to ask for advice please. I’ve been with DP well over a decade. Every year his sister gives me some vaguely weird or semi-unsuitable type of present. It’s not that they’re horrible, just a strange choice I guess.

Apart from a few instances they have generally been toiletry based. One year she gave me a massive gift box of body shop stuff all in one scent. It wasn’t awful, but as I said to my partner - what if I hadn’t liked it? I’d never mentioned liking it to her and she’d never asked. Surely you’d put the feelers out before choosing a specific thing like that?

There’s been other similar stuff, usually from somewhere ok, like joules or next, but to me, toiletries is a risky, cop out gift generally unless you know exactly what the recipient likes, as it’s subjective while also requiring very little thought usually.

For years I’ve asked for vouchers which have been agreed on, then she’ll get me something completely left field - like recently, tickets to a family theatre trip in 6 months time - it actually clashed with my nephew’s bday but she hadn’t even bothered to check to see whether we could do the date. Needless to say we’ve always bought her and her partner exactly what they’ve asked for. I’ve said we should but partner doesn’t want to rock the boat.

We have a set budget which encompasses bdays as well as xmas. I struggle to find a specific thing I like for this amount but last year I found 2 items from a shop I like which were low in stock. I’ve asked for things in the past for our children’s presents which haven’t been bought in time so I decided to buy them myself before they were sold out. I messaged to say I’d done this and did she want to give them to me as a present? (she’d asked what I wanted). I even offered to send them with her parents for her to wrap and send back with them if she wanted to do that (I know this sounds weird but I guess it’s the same as sending them to her address after ordering them) - I stressed that obv this wasn’t necessary, i could wrap them myself and put with the other family presents (she can be funny about the whole process of gifting and I don’t want to offend). I pointed out it was one less thing for her to worry about as she’s usually very busy.

At first she was fine with this. Then a few days later she text to say that actually she wasn’t, that part of the enjoyment for her especially at xmas was thinking about family and what they’d want and getting this etc and that it was nice to be surprised…. This after years of telling us exactly what she, partner and kids wanted and us complying. Confusing but hey ho. What was also weird was that I always put a lot of thought into gifts for everyone. If she gave me a generic item I’d try and get an interesting version of it, which she’d loved (genuinely). And when this happened, some years she’s got me a token bday present - which is weird bc these xmas gifts are meant to include them (my bday is a couple of weeks after xmas).

Anyway, I had a somewhat disconcerting epiphany last year which upset me at the thought of ‘wow this is such CF’ery I can’t believe it’s true’, while at the same time, ‘of course it’s true - how could I possibly have not seen it before?!!!’

We receive our presents AFTER xmas, when the in-laws retune from their visit to her.

When I say…… she’s a teacher……..

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To state the bleeding obvious - am I the only one thinking she’s been re-gifting me presents her students have been giving her for the last 15 years??????!

How would you feel if this was you and what would you do for this xmas? It may not be true, but it is isn’t it.

Just stop asking them what they want. Get them some random little gift too and then move on. If you’ve put less effort in you’ll feel less aggrieved!

What is ‘normal’ is different for different families.

My side siblings/ nieces etc we buy something based on suggestions. For the kids it will be something off their list to minimise unnecessary clutter and plastic!

Hubbies side don’t do this. Used to annoy me I’d get nephews something they wanted and my kids would get something random they didn’t. So I stopped asking that side and now it doesn’t bother me.

Both SIL buy me books Xmas and bday which was really annoying when I was in depths of tiny kids for years and sleepless nights and never had time to read. I now only buy them books. Don’t really mind if they like them or not just pick some that look ok/ in a reading chart/ on offer on amazon. Minimal effort.

Plus teacher pressies are usually small so no she’s prob not regifting all but may be picking up bargains. Do the same. Follow her lead and then you won’t mind.

Soozikinzii · Yesterday 11:35

I think most people where both families have kids just buy for the kids these days ? Surely thats the way forward ? Just say thats how its going to be from this year . Firmly !

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 11:42

Janetwin · Yesterday 09:23

i would have the exact same reaction as you. Aside - is that an ND thing? Coz I think I’m NT .. asking genuinely

I guess it would apply to anyone in a similar situation, I just meant that a trait of neurodiversity is ‘black and white thinking’ and a strong sense of justice. I’m not a massive b+w/rigid thinker, but I guess I am when I think of something being unfair.

As I said earlier up in the thread - I’m prepared to follow a set of rules, even if I don't necessarily agree with them, as long as everyone, especially the rule-maker does the same too. Or accept someone being a bit of an arse - just so long as it’s reciprocal. Basically I detest strongly ppl who give it out but can’t take it etc, and it really rattles my cage when someone acts like a twat but gets hugely offended if someone else displays the same behaviour to them - I just can’t tolerate it. Does that make sense? That’s not to say that every ND feels the same way, but it’s pretty common in this demographic I’ve learned.

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Chilly80 · Yesterday 11:44

You said your DH is happy to spend the money and doesn't want to rock the boat but I'll bet your the one buying and wrapping the gifts right?
I told my DH I wasn't doing it anymore. He lasted 2 years and then suggested ending adult gifts.

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 11:46

jay55 · Yesterday 11:32

But her something random and tell her you took a leaf out of her book and really enjoyed thinking about what she’d like as a surprise.

lol, this is good 😆

OP posts:
Janetwin · Yesterday 11:46

Finallyseenthelights · Yesterday 11:31

Yes, I have no idea why the thought never occurred before - it makes so much sense! And it may have been an end of year present which she put aside as they tend to be bigger than xmas presents to teachers as a rule.

Aside from the assumption someone will like numerous items with the same smell, it wasn’t about bashing that particular gift (if I liked the smell I’d have loved it probably despite what I said about cop out toiletries!) it was more the fact that she was expecting money spent while not doing the same. If she’d said moneys tight etc of course I’d have understood etc, and would probably have still spent the same amount of cash on them - it’s the ‘deceit’ for want of a better word if that makes sense. I guess it’s awkward telling someone you’re re-gifting but it is cheeky expecting a £40 gift yourself. Anyway I think I’ve made that point now! 😅

It didn’t occur to you before this because, unlike what a load of commenters on here are saying, you haven’t been overthinking it. I’ve an issue with the amount of crappy responses from people saying you’re being transactional (if you were, you would have gotten her something cheap and shitty long before now).

But glad the blinkers are off. And she is testing you to see what she can get away with. Have fun with it this year! And please let us know what happens!

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