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There We Are Then - part 2

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mummy917 · 20/07/2026 13:05

Follow on from previous

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mummy917 · 23/07/2026 15:02

I sent his mum a text earlier asking how the kids are and my eldest daughter is still poorly but better than she was yesterday. Girl twin is pretty much back to normal and so far it’s avoided the boys 🤞

Yeah I’m very aware she’s still his mum and will ultimately side with him, but she did sound like she understood completely where I was coming from.

I’ve watched some of Jess’ stuff on Instagram and have found it useful 😊 I’m also keeping a written log and screenshots of every time he’s vile over the phone and in texts. I am still very much keeping to texts after yesterday, I do not need to speak to him on the phone.

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AMurderofMurderingCrows · 23/07/2026 15:27

My god, this man makes my blood boil.

Well done on ignoring his text. It's definitely the way to go ❤️

Rosegard · 23/07/2026 15:48

Honestly OP, you have been in a seriously abusive relationship for a very long time.

He really sounds horrendous.

Have you ever thought of talking to a domestic abuse charity so that you might fully realise how bad it is.

You sound like a seriously abused woman who has been so ground down by an abuser.

It's very sad to read as you are clearly a great woman and mother.

mummy917 · 23/07/2026 16:11

I’ve never thought of myself as being in an abusive relationship and struggle with that being true now because we did have good times too. It’s hard to see when you’re the one in it.

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cowasballerina · 23/07/2026 16:14

I agree with @Rosegard. You have been - and still are being - abused by a nasty, self serving bullying excuse of a husband and father.

At least now you are facing up to what sort of specimen you married. Imagine spending your retirement with just him at home, the DC long gone.

cowasballerina · 23/07/2026 16:38

No 'good times' with him could make up for the way he belittles and chastises you every chance he gets. He needs to learn he has no power over you now.

AnnieKenney · 23/07/2026 16:46

mummy917 · 23/07/2026 16:11

I’ve never thought of myself as being in an abusive relationship and struggle with that being true now because we did have good times too. It’s hard to see when you’re the one in it.

That's precisely how abusers get away with it. Most women aren't stupid enough to stay in a relationship with someone who is 100% abusive. It's because he can be lovely, thoughtful, make you laugh etc that fools you into thinking it's not really abuse when he shows the other parts of himself. It looks and feels like an aberration – not an unveiling of their true character. It’s not that you can’t ‘spot’ abuse, it’s that it seems unusual, a one-off, something not worth making a mountain out of a molehill. At least at the start. And if it isn't called abuse - what is it? Maybe it’s a rough patch? All relationships have their ups and downs, don’t they? You have to work at relationships – it won’t always be plain sailing. Marriage isn’t always a bed of roses. [insert clichéd relationship advice of your choosing].

And maybe there are some external / situational factors putting a strain on the relationship – debt, a new baby, unemployment, etc etc – which make you think that this is the problem. And oftentimes someone might resist naming their experience as abuse because once you apply that label, it comes with a whole heap of other stuff. How can you stay and live with yourself? Didn’t you always believe you were the type of person who wouldn’t put up with that? What kind of example are you setting your children? And the thought of taking action – divorce, moving home, moving schools, starting all over again from scratch can be overwhelming.

How much easier is it to hope that what you are living with isn’t called abuse, it’s called stress or lack of sleep or ‘all couples argue’. And deep down is the fear that the horrible things that the abuser says about you might be true. That it is your fault. That you are difficult to live with. That you are controlling. That no-one else would ever want you.

And don't even get me started on cultural gaslighting! (See here for an example: T

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formigas · 23/07/2026 16:51

It is possible to have good times in abusive relationships. Abusers would find it exhausting to be abusive 100% of the time and they like getting strokes just as much as anyone else does.

IIRC you described (during your marriage) him getting angry with you, leaving most of the parenting to you, not allowing you to voice opinions and shouting over the top of you when you were trying to speak. If any of that's the case it was abusive. I think you might have mentioned gaslighting too but not sure. Certainly a lot of what he is doing now is abusive too.

Some women think that if he isn't hitting them it isn't abusive; sadly my friend thinks this about her emotionally abusive and controlling husband. The times when he isn't being an abusive little troll she describes as good, but the happiness of the relationship rests on exactly how awful he is or isn't being at any one time.

cowasballerina · 23/07/2026 17:00

the happiness of the relationship rests on exactly how awful he is or isn't being at any one time.

Does this ring a bell when you think back OP?

mummy917 · 23/07/2026 17:26

Yeah all of that is true and how he was some of the time. If I voiced an opinion or said how I felt, it’d be made out like I was “just going on” or “you don’t feel like that, you’re only saying it as an excuse”. Then if I reacted to something and called him out for something he’d said/done (or not done), I’d be in the wrong for reacting to his behaviour.

Just before he dropped this bombshell on me, he had promised me a lie in on the Saturday following my birthday (I was at work on my actual birthday) and when the kids woke up between half 5 and 6 as normal, I said to him they were awake and he’d need to go and sort them. He didn’t. He rolled back over and went back to sleep, so I got up. I must’ve gone back into our bedroom about 5 or 6 times within the space of an hour, asking him if he was going to get up and finish sorting out the kids so I could get this “lie in” I’d been promised as part of my birthday. This was one of the only times I really lost my head with him and I’m ashamed to say I called him a part time dad. Totally wrong but that’s how I felt in that moment and I was so angry with him. It wasn’t in front of the kids as he was still in bed at this point and they were downstairs having their breakfasts. I felt like he’d had zero consideration for me that day and couldn’t even keep to his word for my birthday. I didn’t ask for lie ins a lot and thought he’d surely keep his word to this one. Over the course of this separation so far, he often throws that comment I made to him, in my face and when I’ve told him he also needs to take some accountability for it, he blows up and turns nasty with his words.

I can see it’s abuse but when I was in it, I genuinely did think that all the good times we had, could never mean it was abuse. I don’t think it’s until you come out of it, you realise.

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PrizedPickledPopcorn · 23/07/2026 17:29

Well he was a part time Dad! Apparently unaware that sick kids need you at night, or need medication, or potties, or mattresses…

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 23/07/2026 17:30

The boiled frog analogy is so true. We get used to managing the emotional temperature of the house, and just adjust our behaviour to get the best home for our DC we can manage. So it’s all at our expense as we get ever more accommodating to a man who puts himself first.

NeonLady812 · 23/07/2026 17:31

Every story you tell us, he sounds worse than before. He’s such a loser. This is a blessing in disguise.

Lostpassporthelp · 23/07/2026 17:33

The thing is he is now having to do far more parenting than he’s ever had to do in his life. He’s going to be angry because he must realise how much he’s fucked up. Whilst you’ve now got more downtime, I doubt he’s ever done so much actual childcare.

mummy917 · 23/07/2026 17:34

It absolutely is a blessing in disguise and I could write a book about examples like that. He really has done me a favour and one day I hope to find a man who is emotionally more mature and doesn’t think the world owes him a favour.

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mummy917 · 23/07/2026 17:34

Lostpassporthelp · 23/07/2026 17:33

The thing is he is now having to do far more parenting than he’s ever had to do in his life. He’s going to be angry because he must realise how much he’s fucked up. Whilst you’ve now got more downtime, I doubt he’s ever done so much actual childcare.

This is spot on. I’m only the second day in to my 5 days without the kids and it still feels very strange.

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Lostpassporthelp · 23/07/2026 17:45

Please read this post @mummy917 - there a lot of similarities, however the OP has just given a fabulous update two years on. I really think it will give you hope www.mumsnet.com/talk/divorce_separation/5047669-i-need-helpcompletely-brokenseparating-from-husband?page=1

Daisymail · 23/07/2026 18:08

Since he is insisting on 50:50, he can no longer expect to be a fair weather father.

The gall of him to deem it appropriate to text you in the middle of the night to complain he's been woken up by his own children is off the scale.

Stick to grey rocking, it works every time as long as you remain consistent.

Step back and leave him to figure out how to be a parent, as someone else quite eloquently put it "wife mode has been switched off". He rather brutally accused you of being controlling so let him work it out for himself, this includes having the children well they are unwell and all that entails. They are not going to suffer from not having a potty or Calpol, I think it's a given that his mum will likely lose patience sooner rather than later and give him a dose of reality.

Most importantly, please stop buying stuff and handing it over to him, YOU ARE NOT AN ATM!

Lizchapman · 23/07/2026 18:29

And the thing that is going to make him angriest of all is you surviving and even thriving quite well without him 😂. That was not in his playlist. There we are then!

Clarabell77 · 23/07/2026 20:11

NeonLady812 · 23/07/2026 17:31

Every story you tell us, he sounds worse than before. He’s such a loser. This is a blessing in disguise.

I totally agree - I really can’t stand this sorry excuse for a man.

MyrtleLion · 23/07/2026 20:24

There is a phrase that allows women to claim their feelings in a way that makes it harder for men to deny.

The formula is: when you do/say xxx I feel yyy.

When he says you don’t, he’s denying your feelings and it’s more obvious. His factual objective action means you have your feelings. Even if he denies it, it’s very helpful for you.

Lsquiggles · 23/07/2026 20:29

He throws that back in your face probably because you've touched a nerve as it's true! He was a part time dad then and he's a part time dad now simply by disappearing off the face of the earth when it's not his days with the kids and trying to hand them back early on days that are.

You know who you are and everything nasty he says is just him deflecting how shit he is onto you

mummy917 · 23/07/2026 21:01

It definitely touched a nerve because he’d have rather stayed in bed than get up and entertain his kids for an hour or so. Considering they get up between 5 and 6, that lie in for me would’ve been till about 8am at the latest.

He has consistently told me that how I feel isn’t really how I feel, but rather just an excuse for being upset.

I have read some of that thread and wow I am so glad the lady is happy and has pure contentment in her life as well as a new man 😊 it has definitely given me hope about getting to that point where I just feel completely at ease with the way my life is!

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OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 23/07/2026 21:34

I am pleased you have read some of broken's thread, it is really heart warming to see how far she has got in 2. 1/4 years.

One day that will be you too, you don't see or feel it yet but it will come.

It's still very very early days yet for you, how many weeks is it now since he moved out ? ( yes I know he went one evening early )

mummy917 · 23/07/2026 21:47

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 23/07/2026 21:34

I am pleased you have read some of broken's thread, it is really heart warming to see how far she has got in 2. 1/4 years.

One day that will be you too, you don't see or feel it yet but it will come.

It's still very very early days yet for you, how many weeks is it now since he moved out ? ( yes I know he went one evening early )

He moved out on 20th June so almost 5 weeks.

It really is lovely to see how well she’s doing now and how much her life has changed for the better. If someone had said to me 4 months ago that I’d be feeling as though I was going to be happier going through a divorce etc, I’d never have believed them.

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