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The Dating Thread 57 - The Darling Buds

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Nosdacariad · 24/04/2026 12:32

The Rules:
-The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating
-Develop a thick skin
-Do not invest emotionally too soon
-It’s all BS until it actually happens
-Trust your gut instinct
-People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault
-Know your worth
-If it's not fun, stop
-Loo update is mandatory
-No dating the thread
-Treat others as you'd like to be treated
-Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with
-The things you choose to ignore/ tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future

  • If you're wondering if you're being too picky/should give another chance after the second chance/should try harder - the answer is invariably NO! You're not and you shouldn't. If this, now, is as good as it's going to get, the A game, then do you want what comes next?!
-OLD can get very time consuming. Keep doing other activities you enjoy Optional: Please give your irons (potential dates you are talking to) nicknames like Mr Scottish. Initials are allowed (Mr S) when you are an item*
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NervesOfCotton · 10/05/2026 08:48

Nosdacariad I was just going to ask how your date went! Great update!

Ilovelurchers Ugh. Sorry about Mr Perfect & Radiators.

I spoke to one similar to Radiators once. Same as yours, his kink wasn't anything wild or degrading, it just wasn't really my thing, & I wasn't sure why he was bringing it up before we'd met, but then I told myself that it was better to know about this kink in case it put me off, I suppose.

Anyway, much as I tried to turn the chat back to 'Lets get to know each other a little & arrange a meet', he just wanted to talk about that kink, it was like once he'd mentioned it then he couldn't stop! The most I'd get was a message like 'I do what a relationship. That is what I'm looking for. I just want to make sure you are onboard with this kink, so I'll just tell you again what it is'... So that was the end of that for me.

Nosdacariad · 10/05/2026 09:01

@NervesOfCotton @Ilovelurchers I guess the problem here is not the kink it's that he's just wanting to use women to fulfil his needs, nothing about character, compatibility or even mutual needs.

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OneShyQuail · 10/05/2026 09:06

CautiousVisitor · 09/05/2026 21:57

I keep reading about men like your friend is with and though I know they must exist find it hard to compute it in my head. What I've been thinking about a lot since separating from my kids' Dad is the difficulty that any future partner will either have to accept the 10% childfree part of myself that I can give -- or embrace the whole package! And I find it so hard to imagine that.

They do exist, my DP is one of them. Never wanted his own children, but adores mine. He does school runs, their clubs, homework, plays with them.....he adds value to their lives and mine 🫶

NervesOfCotton · 10/05/2026 09:07

Nosdacariad Absolutely.

OneShyQuail · 10/05/2026 09:10

ForRedShark · 09/05/2026 09:18

@Ilovelurchers @Kaltenzahn and all of you, thank you so much for your kind words.

I do feel wretched this morning for cancelling my date at the 11th hour, she was angry and rightly so and sent me a scathing text. I have zero confidence and am very afraid of women not fancying me, and I just could not face another night of being friendzoned by someone, despite me making an effort with attire and being attentive.

Maybe i need to seek out some help, I dont know.

Its highly likely you'll get friend zoned when youve got all these odd requirements going on. Your vibe will be all off.

To manage the pressures and disappointments of OLD you need a think skin and not take rejection to heart. People are allowed to not find you attractive, want to kiss you, give you their numbers etc.
If their boundaries dont match yours, if their timeline doesnt match yours thats ok on to the next.

I think you need to do some work on yourself so you are confident and happy within yourself, so that you dont need a woman to drink on a date, so you dont take to heart the lack of flirting or a kiss and so you dont stand up a woman at such short notice again, seemingly because she didn't want to have a drink

OneShyQuail · 10/05/2026 09:12

Ilovelurchers · 10/05/2026 01:18

Thanks to all those who wished me well with Mr Perfect - he was in fact so Perfect that he ceased to exist! For me anyway - today he ghosted! Well, not sure it is ghosting before you have met - stopped messaging? Hasn't blocked me so may come back I suppose, but.....

My daughter thinks I put him off by using the word "sex" in a message. We were discussing what we were looking for and he said (as part of a list of nice things) a partner who is a passionate lover. I replied that I agree sex is really important though it's not something I want to jump straight into?

Was it bad of me to say the word? 🤣 Anyway, if he is shocked by that, he would have been perhaps a little too prudish generally ...

I know Radiators is only after sex because he has pretty much admitted so to be honest. He has revealed (slowly through hinting) that he has quite a specific sexual proclivity. It's not something shocking or disgusting to me in itself (not degrading women or anything) but nor does it massively appeal (I am fairly broad minded when he comes to sex, but it's just not what floats my boat) and really the thing is, I want a relationship and to date! He is pretty obviously now angling just to come round and have this specific type of sexual interaction. I feel a bit ripped odd, because he definitely pretended to be interested in me as a person to start with, so it just feels disrespectful. Don't know why I haven't blocked yet to be honest - I think I have been hoping that it will turn out I am mistaken and he will invite me to a lovely dinner or theatre or something. But I know in truth that isn't going to happen. The messages have basically dwindled to nothing now, anyway ....

So I am just left with Mr NHS, who is lovely and his 50009 non-exclusive girlfriends all apparently agree with me! He is at least wanting to take me out again, so I may go just to have the night out and enjoy the company.

I need to get swiping again really......

Sorry to hear u were ghosted mate...

I really tried to not over analyse what I said in messages, either the person is for me or they aren't. Take me as I am as it were! 😊

OneShyQuail · 10/05/2026 09:14

Nosdacariad · 10/05/2026 08:46

Imagine how terrible someone would be in bed if they freaked at the word "sex"...

Third date with planes, tmi but def ✈️rather than 🛩 IYSWIM though all very decorous 😁pretty happy and wondering what will go wrong 😁

Oooo good update ✈️✈️✈️

Kaltenzahn · 10/05/2026 09:16

@Ilovelurchers @NervesOfCotton it's very tedious when someone makes a kink their whole personality! If someone feels strongly enough about a kink that they have to mention it before meeting I would find that quite off putting even if it was relatively tame. I'd feel like the primary aim was to find someone willing to engage in the kink rather than getting to know each other as people, and I'd worry that the kink would entirely dominate any potential sex life in the future (meaning my preferences would always take a back seat).

NervesOfCotton · 10/05/2026 09:26

Kaltenzahn Yes, all of this! He pops up on all of the Apps & I think of him as 'Kink guy' in my head, which would probably make him happyGrin

TheThingOnTheIce · 10/05/2026 09:28

If my ex had told me about his kinks at the talking stage I would have run a mile. Instead he tried to gradually push me into entertaining them . Pushing boundaries when I’d already said no . That being said it wouldnt have been a deal breaker for me if I hadn’t had suspicions he was carrying them out with other people too . It’s a tough one .

BoxOfCats · 10/05/2026 09:34

Nosdacariad · 10/05/2026 08:46

Imagine how terrible someone would be in bed if they freaked at the word "sex"...

Third date with planes, tmi but def ✈️rather than 🛩 IYSWIM though all very decorous 😁pretty happy and wondering what will go wrong 😁

Oh, glad to hear it! When’s the date? 🙂

BoxOfCats · 10/05/2026 09:38

I noticed Mr Nomad has updated his Hinge profile… 🧐 Kind of awkward as I can’t tell him I know without explaining why I’ve been on there…

And I had a phone chat just now with MrStartUp who I matched with earlier this weekend. He was all doom and gloom. I will be unmatching him in the morning.

NervesOfCotton · 10/05/2026 09:42

BoxOfCats I just read your update. It's nice to see that you've had some good times with them both, & no stress. I'm with you on the not wanting to live with anybody ever again!

Nosdacariad · 10/05/2026 09:46

@BoxOfCats last night 😁

WHY does a man think you want to listen to his doom & gloom in an opening chat?!

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BoxOfCats · 10/05/2026 09:52

@NervesOfCotton Ah thank you! Yes, here’s to it being just the cat and I from now on 😄

@Nosdacariad Amazing, how did it go….?! And yes he spent most of the time telling me how stressed he was about his failing business venture. Where can I find a nice normal man…?! Apart from lovely colleague Mr Social who is still off limits…

Polly1979 · 10/05/2026 10:04

@Nosdacariad ooh sounds like a very good date!

@BoxOfCats urgh the doom and gloomers are the worst. I unmatched that younger guy I was chatting to for the same reason. Just so unattractive offloading on someone you’ve only just starting speaking to!

Ilovelurchers · 10/05/2026 10:47

@Nosdacariadbrilliant Planes news! He does sound great. And it sounds like he has offered some food reassurance about the ex situation? That's so promising. Imagine - a respectful man who actually listens to your concerns and addresses them, and wants to take you on actual proper dates - can you clone him?

Everyone else - thank you so much for understanding re. Radiators and his kink!

I can understand the benefit of him just mentioning it, so that if it was totally off-putting to me, we would both know there was no future in it....

Actually, while it's not something that has huge appeal, it's probably something I would be willing to try, somewhere down the line, in the context of a strong and mutually enjoyable relationship.

But as somebody else described, it's as if, once he mentioned it, the lid was off the jar and that became the whole focus and point of our interaction. No more chat about books, or travel, or our daily lives. Everything now about his sexual preference.

This may sound extreme, but I almost feel he devceived me by saying he was interested in a full relationship, and the way he behaved on our first date (he was entirely non-sexual then). But iI feel he just did that to get it out of the way, and now he has demonstrated he is not a psycho-killer, it's fine to just focus on the kimk...

And yes, as someone said, it is explorative in a way, even if his kink isn't by nature exploitative (it's almost the opposite in fact!), as he is looking for a woman to fulfil HIS needs, with very little interest in whether they reflect hers. I definitely think he would be interested in ANYBODY willing to perform his kink, as long as he found her moderately physically attractive.

(There was also a bit of attempted physical negging, now I look back. He called me "curvy" A LOT, - said he liked it - but in honesty I am pretty much an exact size 12, average height - nothing wrong with being 'curvy" and no offence to curvier women many of whom are way more attractive than me! - but I think that's normally used for women who are a slightly larger dress size than me? If that makes sense. Certainly I would tend to reflect a partner's own language in this regard - I would only call a guy curvy or refer to his "dad bod" or whatever if I knew those were terms he happily used for himself?

Anyway, enough about Radiators - I shall leave him to his kink! And every connection that doesn't work out teaches us something, I guess.....

Have a gorgeous day, guys, and thanks again for all your supportive words - it helps so much to know others are facing, or have faced, similar.....

MsJinks · 10/05/2026 12:21

Nosdacariad · 10/05/2026 08:46

Imagine how terrible someone would be in bed if they freaked at the word "sex"...

Third date with planes, tmi but def ✈️rather than 🛩 IYSWIM though all very decorous 😁pretty happy and wondering what will go wrong 😁

Ohh - lovely - really pleased for you - nothing will go wrong - nothing. He’s on trial too not just you as well!

Nosdacariad · 10/05/2026 12:25

@Ilovelurchers blimey I'm way bigger and I'd be cross if I heard "curvy".

@BoxOfCats

Third date with planes, tmi but def ✈️rather than 🛩 IYSWIM though all very decorous 😁pretty happy and wondering what will go wrong 😁

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empirebiscuits12 · 10/05/2026 17:34

So an update on Mr Finance, the guy I worked up the courage to ask on a date. I saw a post today on the Facebook page “are we dating the same guy?” And it turns out he’s been seeing someone for the past 6 weeks. I’ve deleted and blocked. Back to the drawing board.

BoxOfCats · 10/05/2026 18:25

@IlovelurchersSprry it didn’t work out with Mr Radiators. Sounds like the right call to move on though. He sounds like he’s very much all about him!

Nosdacariad · 10/05/2026 18:45

@empirebiscuits12 sorry about Mr Finance x

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Ilovelurchers · 10/05/2026 19:06

empirebiscuits12 · 10/05/2026 17:34

So an update on Mr Finance, the guy I worked up the courage to ask on a date. I saw a post today on the Facebook page “are we dating the same guy?” And it turns out he’s been seeing someone for the past 6 weeks. I’ve deleted and blocked. Back to the drawing board.

Oh for fuck's sake, after you went to all that effort to summon up the nerve to ask him too!

(Some) men really are the pits. On the plus side, lucky escape!

Hope you are not too down-hearted.

empirebiscuits12 · 10/05/2026 21:06

Ilovelurchers · 10/05/2026 19:06

Oh for fuck's sake, after you went to all that effort to summon up the nerve to ask him too!

(Some) men really are the pits. On the plus side, lucky escape!

Hope you are not too down-hearted.

I’m very down hearted tbh. I wouldn’t say I’ve got the thickest skin but thick enough to handle OLD. But ever since I started it’s been one thing after another 😞

Polly1979 · 10/05/2026 23:24

Sorry @empirebiscuits12, that’s really shitty. You’d need the skin of a rhinoceros not to let it get to you now and again. Not much comfort but better to know now rather than later.

I’ve joined my local ‘are we dating the same guy?’ group and it is a bit depressing how many wrong’uns are out there!