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Continuing an AIBU …

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PithyBeaker · 10/04/2026 19:22

Just continuing a thread I started a few days ago in AIBU for support as I figure out next steps ending my cohabitation.

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GreenhampsterAndEggs · 13/04/2026 18:09

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 18:01

This stuck. Thank you @GreenhampsterAndEggs I sat w him because for ten mins it felt like maybe it was all a bad dream. But I know it’s not. Feel so sad. Desperately sad.

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It's very hard. It's going to be hard for a long time. You just need time to breathe and think and reassess your life. He doesn't want you to do any of those things. He just wants everything to go back to the way it was before you said "no". I honestly don't think he ever hears a single thing you are saying because all he is listening for is "yes."

Actually, that does sound a bit like a two year old!

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 18:10

NotAWurstToIt · 13/04/2026 18:06

OP this must be really hard because you still have love for him and (I’m guessing) are attracted to him. You’ve done brilliantly-I’m in awe of your resolve.
If it helps, as PP have said, he could still have had a relationship with you, but just lived separately - lots of people do, but for him, even now it’s transactional “Just let me move back in and I’ll be better”.
How about “I’ll work on myself and show you I can be better while I live separately and parent my children”. He still doesn’t get it and I doubt he will. He may resort to that later in the week when he realises you’re not budging, but I think his end goal will always be about when he can move back in and he doesn’t see what’s wrong with that and that’s the issue.
Sorry, lots of waffle there!

Much less attracted to him now than I used to be. I do still love and pity him though. And this: “How about “I’ll work on myself and show you I can be better while I live separately and parent my children”. He still doesn’t get it and I doubt he will.”

I doubt he will too. But I guess I’m still holding out a scrap of hope he will. 😔

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CheeriosOrFrosties · 13/04/2026 18:10

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 16:59

Well, yes, there is definitely a part of me that feels for people who were deeply and irretrievably damaged as children. I am one and I know how it feels. My response to my own experience was to become convinced that only I could ever take care of myself. Then I met him and he made me feel safe for the first time ever and I was able to uncover and start to deal with all the childhood stuff, but hello PTSD. Then the chaos in the house became too much and he turned into something else, a person borderline contemptuous and indifferent, and here we are. Me again. One of my close mates pointed out that I needed him out to escape the chaos and heal my PTSD.

This explains a lot, especially what I'm sure feels like a magnetic pull. You have a shared experience, he "got you" on a different level, it felt safe. When PP are wondering why you don't just block him, this is why. That perceived feeling of safety is extremely powerful. However, it may also not be true.

One of the best phrases I ever read was "red flags don't look like red flags when they feel like home".

It may not have been safety at all, OP. It may have just been familiar.

What was your relationship like with your kids' dad? Was he abusive? And this more recent guy was an improvement on him?

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 13/04/2026 18:11

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 18:01

This stuck. Thank you @GreenhampsterAndEggs I sat w him because for ten mins it felt like maybe it was all a bad dream. But I know it’s not. Feel so sad. Desperately sad.

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I can feel your sadness through a lot of your posts.

It's natural. You've only ended this a couple of days ago. Of course you're going to grieve.

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 18:12

CheeriosOrFrosties · 13/04/2026 18:10

This explains a lot, especially what I'm sure feels like a magnetic pull. You have a shared experience, he "got you" on a different level, it felt safe. When PP are wondering why you don't just block him, this is why. That perceived feeling of safety is extremely powerful. However, it may also not be true.

One of the best phrases I ever read was "red flags don't look like red flags when they feel like home".

It may not have been safety at all, OP. It may have just been familiar.

What was your relationship like with your kids' dad? Was he abusive? And this more recent guy was an improvement on him?

No. My DC’s dad is a lovely man. My father was the abuser.

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Liveshives · 13/04/2026 18:12

I feel so sorry for you because it is painful.
But distance will ease that.
Soon.
When things calm down you will embrace the peace in the house and you will have the space to heal.
Living in chaos was never going to allow you to feel that deep real inner calm you need.

You are teaching your son a lot with this change in the house.

Actions have consequences and as he grows into an adult you will be able to use this as a teaching moment.
Hang in there.

SpainToday · 13/04/2026 18:15

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 17:53

Yep. Have said it over and over and over again.

And what is his “solution”?

ArtforEveryone · 13/04/2026 18:19

OP, you have done amazingly and I’m willing you on. This is the first time I’ve posted on a thread and have been compelled to by how incredibly brave you’ve been. I wanted to say, and please believe I am not trying to be unnecessarily cruel, that you must consider (should you wobble for a moment on your decision) that you are vulnerable because of the 8 year age gap.
Of course I’m not saying that you are “too old” for him in a general sense, or that age-gap relationships don’t work. If you had met and married and had children together with a commitment to making it work, that would be completely different and the age gap would be irrelevant. BUT, under these circumstances, it’s much more risky for you -because he married and had children very young, in 10 years time they will be grown up and he will still only be 42. He is not a catch right now because frankly a lot of women would be reluctant to take on three school aged step-children but if he is as handsome and superficially charming as you suggest, he could quite easily later on find a much younger woman.
You will be 50 and worn out from having done all the hard work of parenting his feral teenagers and trying keep the peace between them and your own DC. I know from experience.
Please don’t waver and waste any more years on him. Time goes quickly. Don’t worry about the “sunk cost fallacy” of the last five years. Right now you have the upper hand - you are only 40, solvent with a good career and your own home, and one DC who will soon be at secondary school and will need you a bit less so you can think about your own future, whatever that might look like.

GreenhampsterAndEggs · 13/04/2026 18:29

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 18:01

This stuck. Thank you @GreenhampsterAndEggs I sat w him because for ten mins it felt like maybe it was all a bad dream. But I know it’s not. Feel so sad. Desperately sad.

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You will get there, I have faith you will be ok. Just remember how confident you sounded this morning! It's just going to take time.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/04/2026 18:53

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 17:37

Oh for heaven sake! He isn’t going to show up with the kids here. Come on, that is not how this is going at all. He is a better dad than that. Honestly.

I'll have to take your word for that. You know him, I don't. But I've been (and currently am) in situations where I thought 'Oh, he would never do that' only to find that, yes, he would. One of those not too long ago involved the destruction of things that were precious to me. Not expensive things, just family heirlooms with great sentimental value. Another was him telling my adult DC that I left because I was cheating on him and had cheated on him all during our marriage. Lies of course and they didn't believe it. But I never thought he'd stoop so low.

So I hope you're right. But I've learnt to 'beware the desperation of a desperate man' so I suppose I'm projecting things onto your situation. I'll try to be more conscious of that in the future.

Coopee · 13/04/2026 18:55

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 16:48

I know. I don’t want my son thinking that’s how you treat women. Wish he was getting to see it being done right but I guess maybe that ship has sailed in this lifetime.

OP. I know it feels this way to you at the moment (I still feel that way and I’m 15 years older), but remember is that your dear son will see you modelling how relationships are not supposed to be. Being strong enough to walk away when they are not healthy.

That disrespecting someone’s no is unacceptable and that a strong woman knows her own mind and knows how she deserves to be treated. That means you don’t settle for less than you know you deserve. Even if it hurts and you have to walk away. You are enough. A relationship with another man does not define you or show your son what’s right and wrong. You do that. By making the right choices for you both, by being honest about those choices and offering guidance to him when he asks.

You will be showing your son how to step up in his own relationships further down the line. Especially if his relationship with his father is sketchy, you are and always will be his main role model.

My DC are nearly 20 now and their father was always absent in their lives due to his work choices (long story). He takes them for a meal maybe once or twice a month since we separated when they were 15. . My son never receives birthday or Christmas gifts (doesn’t ask), his sister does, but she has to ask and tell her dad what she wants. In fact he forgot their last birthday altogether.

Sadly he showed himself to be a narcissistic, lethargic parent who was so full of his own self pity he refuses to see the wood for the trees. (And yes, I was replaced quite quickly after I asked him to leave). He’s not a monster either, but he is self-centered and selfish, while also capable and very charming. He is also manipulative, but even now I struggle to believe it is conscious manipulation. More like a learned behaviour as to how he achieves the easiest life for himself. I so wanted him to be who I thought he could be, but all the love in the world can’t make it happen. He has to make the changes himself. it did take me a while to realise that. It’s amazing the peace you find when you finally realise it is not your job to fix someone.

You already know this, you have said it in a previous post I think. Really knowing, however, is truly believing it.

Going through the divorce now is hard work because I am still expected to do the lions share of the work with the solicitor. I don’t speak to him any more at all. Initially I tried to stay friendly, helpful, it just meant I was enabling him to stay in his chaos. It had to stop.

I know it’s hard to stop contact. It’s fresh and you still want to support him in a small way because maybe you feel you’ve forced him to stand on his own two feet now and sort out his housing for him and his children. He is an adult and that has always been his responsibility. Not yours. Please be aware, once he realises you will not take him back - he may well get nastier again. Filtering his messages and replying to only the necessary ones as a previous poster suggested is really good advice. For your huge tender heart and for your peace. 🌸🙏

CheeriosOrFrosties · 13/04/2026 19:00

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 18:12

No. My DC’s dad is a lovely man. My father was the abuser.

I'm sorry. It must be very hard to trust anyone (particularly men) having experienced that.

Beachtastic · 13/04/2026 19:10

Holdinguphalfthesky · 13/04/2026 17:57

Some therapists seem to like to play God and they cause more trouble than they’re worth. The best therapist I had was a trauma specialist and she used compassionate inquiry. Trauma Therapy Manchester. They’ve a list of recommended therapists if you would like to follow it up later, when you have the head space.

eta they work online as well as in person

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This will not be a popular view, but I have found Copilot extremely useful (and free!) for working through some complex stuff around e.g. bereavement, family dynamics and so on.

The therapists I've encountered tend to have a particular "approach" whereas AI draws on a broader frame of reference and is very helpful in identifying and clearly expressing things that I would otherwise have had trouble pinpointing.

I hear you OP on the abusive parent situation. I think that's where we get wried up wrong and confuse strugglng for crumbs with love. It's not irreversible though, I promise you! 💗

Holdinguphalfthesky · 13/04/2026 19:26

Beachtastic · 13/04/2026 19:10

This will not be a popular view, but I have found Copilot extremely useful (and free!) for working through some complex stuff around e.g. bereavement, family dynamics and so on.

The therapists I've encountered tend to have a particular "approach" whereas AI draws on a broader frame of reference and is very helpful in identifying and clearly expressing things that I would otherwise have had trouble pinpointing.

I hear you OP on the abusive parent situation. I think that's where we get wried up wrong and confuse strugglng for crumbs with love. It's not irreversible though, I promise you! 💗

AI is very good at spotting patterns. It’s useful for that late-night angst and for going over and over (should you wish to!).

Beachtastic · 13/04/2026 19:30

Holdinguphalfthesky · 13/04/2026 19:26

AI is very good at spotting patterns. It’s useful for that late-night angst and for going over and over (should you wish to!).

Yes, spotting patterns. Which is what we want, really. I also like not feeling foolish saying things I wouldn't particularly want to say out loud to another human being, however empathetic!

inickedthisname · 13/04/2026 19:34

OP, I would be interested to know - did you tell your therapist he called you a cunt during arguments? Because I know a lot of the time people don’t always give those details “because they know what people will say” and of course, if you don’t think it’s abusive you won’t want other people to “get the wrong idea” but it’s pretty much the definition of verbal abuse. So I’m just curious if you told your therapist this and they still said “you need to compromise”.

MrsMcGarry · 13/04/2026 21:37

Beachtastic · 13/04/2026 19:30

Yes, spotting patterns. Which is what we want, really. I also like not feeling foolish saying things I wouldn't particularly want to say out loud to another human being, however empathetic!

I am going to disagree here as someone who had 1 "meh" therapist, one truly awful one and one that quite honestly saved my life.

Whilst AI can do the pattern spotting, that's really just the tip of the iceberg. I absolutely knew what my patterns were, spent an awful lot of my time and energy beating myself up for not being able to change them. Proper, life changing therapy doesn't just explain why you keep going wrong.

For too many people, their issues are because of only ever having bad relationships. Or, and especially if there's been abuse in childhood, not having any real relationships at all, because that would involve trusting someone and being vulnerable with them, and when you do that leave you because you aren't good enough. Or die in horrific accidents, but that still feels like leaving because you weren't good enough to stop it happening. Or abuse you, because you really aren't worth anything more.

If that's been your experience, no amount of pattern recognition is going to help you to heal. (Almost typed fix you, but as I am healed I know I never needed fixing). You need to learn how to have a relationship - and doing that with AI - or anonymous women on the internet - isn't going to work. It wasn't the things I talked about in therapy that helped me heal, it was that I learned to trust my therapist and built with her one of the first healthy relationships I'd ever been allowed to have. And once you've done it once, it's easier to do it again.

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 21:57

SpainToday · 13/04/2026 18:15

And what is his “solution”?

To support me more round the house. His words.

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MrsMcGarry · 13/04/2026 22:00

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 21:57

To support me more round the house. His words.

Because you are the responsible adult who is in charge and he will "help"

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 22:03

inickedthisname · 13/04/2026 19:34

OP, I would be interested to know - did you tell your therapist he called you a cunt during arguments? Because I know a lot of the time people don’t always give those details “because they know what people will say” and of course, if you don’t think it’s abusive you won’t want other people to “get the wrong idea” but it’s pretty much the definition of verbal abuse. So I’m just curious if you told your therapist this and they still said “you need to compromise”.

I am pretty sure I did. Def told her about name-calling as a general pattern when we fight

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PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 22:05

MrsMcGarry · 13/04/2026 22:00

Because you are the responsible adult who is in charge and he will "help"

Yes!!! He keeps saying he needs to “help” more. Omg when you put it like that, I can see it so clearly. He still thinks I would be the one in charge, he just needs to help more. JMJ. What an insight. Thank you.

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PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 22:13

CheeriosOrFrosties · 13/04/2026 19:00

I'm sorry. It must be very hard to trust anyone (particularly men) having experienced that.

Yep. And here I am again.

Lots of comments here I only just saw, apologies. I posted a link earlier to a new thread 3 if this one fills.

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inickedthisname · 13/04/2026 22:13

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 22:03

I am pretty sure I did. Def told her about name-calling as a general pattern when we fight

I’m so sorry that was your experience with your therapist. At least you can see things more clearly now and are moving forward 💐

WinterSunglasses · 13/04/2026 22:22

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 22:05

Yes!!! He keeps saying he needs to “help” more. Omg when you put it like that, I can see it so clearly. He still thinks I would be the one in charge, he just needs to help more. JMJ. What an insight. Thank you.

Which will then easily become 'you need to tell me' 'I didn't know that needed doing, you should have said'. You know this already

moderate · 13/04/2026 23:07

PithyBeaker · 13/04/2026 16:19

It’s just a bit much and not really in line with how pathetic he is being. Sorry, but this is unnecessarily cruel.

So, “pathetic” mode produces results for him? Stand by for more “pathetic” mode, then.

(NB I’m not saying he’s consciously aware of this.)

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