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A messy wife and children

252 replies

Stu01 · 17/10/2025 14:58

Hello,

This is not a new problem. Every solution I’ve tried has failed and left me feeling more and more powerless.

So to the context - my wife and I are full time professionals who do the exact same job. Our hours are mostly identical. She does an extra half hour or so of work more at home in the evenings than I.

We’ve been together for all of her adult life and most of mine. This is not a new problem.

My wife loves to clean - she genuinely gets a buzz out of it (no idea why) but doesn’t do it- and she is very good at remembering birthdays and clubs and knowing day to day things. She is an excellent mother - phenomenal. We have two children, 10 and 7, and the youngest is a challenge. I find myself ignored and derided by my youngest and my choice is to walk away because otherwise I shall be furious.

My wife has been brought up by two loving parents who did everything for her. Her mother did wish me luck when we moved in together. Ever since I have known her, her life has been filled with clutter and love.

In contrast, I have scraped myself out of several challenging home lives and have lived in pressurised, immaculate homes. I was taught from a young age to clean, tidy, iron and take responsibility for myself. I didn’t lack in love, but I knew my mess should be dealt with.

Our houses have always been full of work and possessions. As the children came into our lives, we declutterred and she stayed at home to cook, clean and raise our children. Here is where it began.

For ten years now, our houses have deteriorated into a constant day to day clutter-fest. Children’s toys, shoes, paperwork, washing, clothes, bags, books and whatever else.

I have handled the laundry, half the ironing, cooking and most of the day to day clean up since the children started school. But as time goes by I’ve seen that she and the children don’t really have the tidiness of the house as a priority. I on the other hand find it hard to manage mentally and practically in a messy and disorganised house.

Laundry I have done can be left unmoved for a week until I snap. Ironing I have done is discarded on the floor and crumpled within days. Toys yearned for are trodden and broken. Meanwhile, the TV is on non-stop, the noise grows and I oscillate in a corner.

I’ve raised my feelings, suggested things and even done everything in a passive aggressive fury. No change. I’ve let the carpets be covered and trampled all over it. No change. I’ve bagged it all up and threatened to throw it away. No change. I’ve bagged some up and actually thrown it away. No change. My current approach is to only pick up whatever I have interacted with and deal with my own washing (excepting school uniform). My wife likes it when I iron her clothes - they are quietly languishing.

Resentment builds, I retreat into myself and find the only clear space to sit down and read. But I can’t concentrate. Our communication has deteriorated and she feels lonely.

She’s lonely mostly in the weekday mornings because I get on and organise myself. She on the other hand cannot find the children’s uniforms (we take responsibility for ironing and storing half each in a designated place) or water bottles (we have about 30), can’t decide what shoes to where (48 pairs), makes their breakfast (both children can do it themselves as we’ve taught them), does her hair and make up, and personally dresses our 7 year old (who refuses to do so) who miraculously can do it themselves on weekends. I just can’t bear to berate or dictate to them anymore - I’m just so fed up and isolated.

So I’m back from the gym at 6.45. She’s dressed by then. I eat breakfast, shower and change, and then I wash up and tidy up and wait. If people can’t find things, I tell them where I saw them last (on the floor). If people aren’t doing anything, I point out what is needed. I teach 10-11 year olds and know what they are capable of. The house descends into a fury of lateness and panic - I am still and seething and my children are dawdling around barefoot.

I fear I am being petty and pedantic. I fear we are babying the children. I fear I am unfeeling and not setting them a good example. I fear my expectations are too great and hers too low. I fear I am not being inclusive. I fear for my marriage. I fear for my sanity.

What do I do next?

OP posts:
Ilovemychocolate · 17/10/2025 15:09

Divorce.

PomegranatePrincess · 17/10/2025 15:24

I eat breakfast, shower and change, and then I wash up and tidy up and wait. Do you help or just sit and watch the chaos? If your wife is getting up having to shower, do make up and sort children out in the morning that’s quite a stress if you’re disorganised. Can you both not sort the uniforms, bags, lunches etc the night before? That’s what we used to do so it was up, washed, dressed, breakfast then out the door. Each child had their uniform in their room ready to put on, shoes, bags, sports equipment etc was ready at the door to lift on the way out. No running around looking for stuff happened because it was all sorted the night before.

Your home sounds cluttered and disorganised with no-one else knowing what needs to be done. Do you have a chore chart for the children or a clear list of what you and your wife do week to week in the house. I couldn’t live in a cluttered messy home either. If sitting down talking doesn’t work go to marriage counselling.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 17/10/2025 15:27

Get a cleaner maybe?

shhblackbag · 17/10/2025 15:28

Leave before resentment builds further. I couldn't live in that chaos either.

DaisyChain505 · 17/10/2025 15:30

I couldn’t live with that myself. Maybe try couples counselling to get an outsiders help.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/10/2025 15:34

I cannot advise you but sympathie as it is awful to live with and has a terrible effect and it blocks life.

On the other hand you say she is a wonderful mother. I don’t think you want a divorce.

What about getting an organiser in to reset everything.

Then what about looking for a retired person who loves tidying to hire? You could teach them where everything goes first.

Then try to get each child trained to cooperate with the new set-up.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/10/2025 15:35

Sounds like your wife has ADHD and your 7 year old has inherited it.

ComfortFoodCafe · 17/10/2025 15:40

I couldnt cope with that. I would have to go round with bin bags & just bin the lot.

Gymbunny2025 · 17/10/2025 15:44

Could you try her going to the gym in the morning and you staying home? You’d be able to get a lot done to have a clearer head. Then you go to gym in the late evening instead

100Bees · 17/10/2025 15:48

My guess, from personal experience, is that she has ADHD.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 17/10/2025 15:52

That would drive me to seek a divorce.
It's massively disrespectful behaviour towards you.

I don't know how you've put up with it for so long. You have my sympathies.

strawgoh · 17/10/2025 15:52

Teach your children how to tidy up after themselves. They are plenty old enough to learn how to do that.

BuddhaAtSea · 17/10/2025 15:53

Is the quantity of stuff the actual problem? 30 water bottles are 26 too many. Where do you keep 30 water bottles?!!
With my DD, I had 6 sets of uniforms and on a Friday I would make 5 piles, everything, from underwear to cardigan, and put them in one of those Ikea collapsible cotton shelves. She also had an Ikea cube thingy with an insert, and the school shoes, book bag and lunch box lived there.
4 dinner plates, 4 small plates, 4 bowls, 4 mugs and 4 water glasses. That’s it. They all go in the dishwasher as soon as they’re dirty.
Toys, DD had a wooden chest, everything went in there at the end of the day.
Don’t cook on a Friday, do freezer food: chips, nuggets, pizza, whatever is easy.
Sunday evening we had movie night, I’d put a movie on at 4.30, eat, bath, bed, but whilst the movie was on, I made lunches, got everything ready for Monday morning, put a wash on, dishwasher, the movie didn’t go on until all the toys were in the trunk.

You just need to get rid of ‘too much stuff’ and have a place for everything.

SirChenjins · 17/10/2025 15:53

ADHD or not, it sounds like an absolute nightmare - I can well understand why you're at your wit's end with this. I take it you've tried rotas and lists to try and focus their attention and give some structure to the chaos? Decluttering would be a good start, but if you live with a hoarder (as I suspect you do), actually getting them to make a decision about what to throw out and what to keep will be an absolute battle.

AbsentosaurusRex · 17/10/2025 15:57

I fear for my marriage. I fear for my sanity.

Not sure what to tell ya! Relax chill out, embrace the mess. You won’t be fearful any more..

NattyKnitter116 · 17/10/2025 16:01

Most obvious solution would be to have a regular cleaner who does ongoing decluttering, tidies up etc. you’ll need more hours than for just a clean.
The other thing is to accept they have different priorities to you and designate yourself one room, if possible, that’s your space for an all consuming hobby (like modelling with noise cancelling headphones on!)
Put a lock on the door if necessary.
Also, try to add something calming like yoga to your exercise routine and learn some breathing
exercises for those seething moments.
It sounds like your wife is overwhelmed and possibly has ADHD (yes I know everyone does nowadays but she really sounds like she’s struggling rather than just messy).

Alternatively she may just think you’re being a prick about it all and has decided to ignore you. Which isnt
good but neither is it surprising. Only you can know which it is.
It’s really hard
being
messy and
living
with someone regimented and ‘perfect’.

Presumably you’ve talked
about this in a non judgmental way to each other, had
some relationship counselling and so on?
You meanwhile, having been trained to be regimentally disciplined (for whatever reason, there are many reasons why some people are more like this when others
arnt) are drowning in a sea of resentment as you watch the ship lurch about each day.

the other option is to split your households if you can afford
to do this but beware the kids as they get older are
likely to vote with their feet if you are are too regimented and suppressing anger when they leave their stuff lying around around. Equally you might cope with it better if you are
only dealing with it half
the week and can have half the week tidy and organised.

I have some insight in to this mismatch of styles being a person who can be very messy and disorganised but I’ve made copious use of lists since I was 9 years old to enable me to function competently and am generally fine with routine.

My son does the same with lists although still does
not see
mess
qnd
dirt
and now
has
a
GF who is
an advert for AuDHD. Since she has moved in with him the house is really messy
and it
affects
both their MH as the Autistic
part of them both does better ina
calm ordered environment.
I have yet to convince them to have a cleaner. They think they are coping. (I find it hard to sit in their flat
for more than 10
minutes
without giving in to the urge to clean and declutter.
That’s a “me” problem. )
Consequently I invite them here instead.

I really cannot
see
how they
will ever
cope
with children - I joke to my partner that they will love the baby but one day lose the baby under a sea
of crap
from
shein and temu.
another family example, my cousin and his wife, old fashioned academic hippies, lived in absolute squalor, house was always chaotic and loads
of kids who always looked like they been dragged through a bin, but the happiest kids who have all done incredibly well for
themselves. Key point is both parents had the same approach to life - happy kids
more important than clean house and a focus on the kids being as independent as possible.

it looks like the root of the issue here is a totally different approach to family life and an inability to meet somewhere in the middle.

I hope you can find a solution.

Stu01 · 17/10/2025 16:18

Thank you all for your responses - I honestly wanted to shout into the void and let it out.

I adore the woman - she’s a magician but when she comes home it’s like a wrecking ball (last night she came home and made 12 litres of vegetable soup).

We do have a cleaner - our house is clean for a week but the stuff just moves off the floor and onto the sofas, where it remains.

We’ve done rotas and pocket money but it’s always a flash in the pan with nothing that sticks.

We have had conversations where we both agree that our children’s happiness is paramount, but I consider their long term happiness and self-sufficiency to be just as valid as their short term sofa and TV time happiness.

it doesn’t help that our kids are constantly at clubs and completely knackered out - they have no time to tidy. A quick ‘ten minute tidy’ turns to an hour of screaming.

my wife doesn’t like going to the gym in the morning - she grandly claimed that she would wake with me and get on with life - she maybe did once or twice.

I would love to not see it but treading on everything is not safe. When Christmas rolls around I despair.

OP posts:
AgingLikeGazpacho · 17/10/2025 16:24

I think if you want to avoid a divorce then you'll need to work on your communication style and a bit of anger management too. It's easy for a family to dismiss the parent who comes across as unreasonable and a bit unhinged - you making threats, trashing belongings and radiating passive aggression is only going to make the others feel justified in ignoring even your most reasonable requests.

Ultimately we have more scope to manage our responses to situations than we do in managing the situations themselves. If your wife has always been messy and disorganised then it's either something you'll need to accept (albeit she should also be working on minimising her clutter and mess) or will end up being a deal breaker

If there's tasks that shes simply terrible at despite her trying, then it makes sense for you to pick those up and she takes on other responsibilities to even things out. Partnerships don't have to be a case of divvying identical tasks out 50:50

BruFord · 17/10/2025 16:36

I can’t stand the way people immediately say “divorce” as if that would be the best solution for a man who loves his wife and their children.

A messy, disorganized house isn’t the end of the world, but you do need to communicate to your wife how frustrated it’s making you. Carve out some time this weekend to have a serious talk with her -don’t get angry but make it clear that this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. You need to come up with a viable plan -write down your ideas on how specific issues can be resolved.

For example, everyone can have a laundry basket which their clean laundry is placed and put into their bedroom.

You can both talk to your 7-year-old about dressing themself. Next week, Mum will cone into their room and supervise dressing; after that, they do it themselves.

Between you, you can work this out. 💐

HoppityBun · 17/10/2025 16:44

Speaking as a terminally messy person, OP, who is something of a hoarder and has been diagnosed with ADHD late in life, I have sympathy for both you and for your wife. If you look online for declutterring and tidying, you will see that this is a worldwide problem. But you will also see that there are ways of dealing with this - in fact there are podcasts on the subject, books and also threads here on MN.

You won’t change your wife, so please don’t try: that will end in tears and frustration for both of you. Read around and listen to how people deal with this and start small and start slow. You can build up a system that suits you both but it’s essential that you work together and accept that the two of you function differently.

Many people online will have plans on their websites that you can download free. Work together to find what helps you.

best wishes

Eyelashesoffire · 17/10/2025 16:47

Would you both be open to having a professional organiser in? One that understands the way her brain works? Sorry to be another person mentioning ADHD but everything you say does remind me of my ADHD friends (including the 12l of vegetable soup!)

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/10/2025 17:07

Stu01 · 17/10/2025 16:18

Thank you all for your responses - I honestly wanted to shout into the void and let it out.

I adore the woman - she’s a magician but when she comes home it’s like a wrecking ball (last night she came home and made 12 litres of vegetable soup).

We do have a cleaner - our house is clean for a week but the stuff just moves off the floor and onto the sofas, where it remains.

We’ve done rotas and pocket money but it’s always a flash in the pan with nothing that sticks.

We have had conversations where we both agree that our children’s happiness is paramount, but I consider their long term happiness and self-sufficiency to be just as valid as their short term sofa and TV time happiness.

it doesn’t help that our kids are constantly at clubs and completely knackered out - they have no time to tidy. A quick ‘ten minute tidy’ turns to an hour of screaming.

my wife doesn’t like going to the gym in the morning - she grandly claimed that she would wake with me and get on with life - she maybe did once or twice.

I would love to not see it but treading on everything is not safe. When Christmas rolls around I despair.

In general ADHD are not morning people. They perform best in the evening.

Why so many clubs? They must be overwhelmed. Just stop some. I’m not suprised you get an hour of screaming. Especially if they have inherited adhd. They can’t get overwhelmed easily.

I find your attitude to your 7 year old really concerning. If the are difficult to cope with they are likely to be ND. They can’t help it. They need you to step up and parent not walk away even though they drive you mad. Calm kind parenting with lots of reassurance and options. Normal sanctions won’t ever work. Ignore anything except the terrible and do lots of rewards. Reduce all demands and requesta

Seelybee · 17/10/2025 17:12

@Stu01 I feel your pain. Unless you're a chaotic person yourself it's impossible to relax with clutter everywhere.
Is there any small corner of the house or garden where you can create a clutter free space just for you? As a retreat from the chaos. And maybe step back from sorting everyone out - if they can't find it they can't have it!

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/10/2025 17:16

If your 7 year old refuses to dress it’s more likely to do with overwhelm or PDA.

The more you push her the more she’ll refuse. Start off asking her which one garment she’d like to put on. Adults do the rest. Build it up from there.

CrazyCatLady13 · 17/10/2025 17:21

My DH has ADHD, and I love a clean house. Things that worked for me are:

accepting he really doesn't see mess until it's pointed out to him, it's not deliberate

allocating areas he can dump stuff, bowls, a cupboard and leaving it. When it overflows I ask him to sort it out

giving notice of what he needs to do and when by. For example, we're going to the tip on Saturday, or can you take the bins out in the next half hour. And sticking to it. Stops me nagging as with a deadline he'll get it done

accepting that as my cleanliness level is higher than his, I'll need to take the mental load on it

He does pull his weight with housework now, we vary who does what depending on how busy we are. I have patiently shown him how to do some tasks, and what's important and why, and it's helped.

Getting him into habits helped, for example he puts his work clothes in the wash & does the clothes washing on a Friday after work. It takes 6 weeks to make a habit.

I can have the house spotless & as soon as he comes home his stuff is everywhere but he does tidy it up, with a couple of blind spots.

Communication is vital 😊 if he's starting to slip back I tell him so.

I know the mental load is on me, but it works for us.