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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Something isn't right thread #2

856 replies

FourAndFive · 21/08/2025 11:18

Thanks so much for all your help and support. I can't believe the first thread is full - there isn’t a huge amount to update on right now, but I am looking forward to the future with my head held high, whatever the outcome. I'll keep posting.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5391850-something-isnt-right-emotional-affair-or-just-friends?page=1

Something isn't right - emotional affair or just friends? | Mumsnet

Name changed for this. It's a bit of a blur, and long, apologies in advance. I need help and/or a slap to either wake me up to an emotional affair a...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5391850-something-isnt-right-emotional-affair-or-just-friends?page=1

OP posts:
Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 21/08/2025 11:24

Thinking of you op

MarilynSays · 21/08/2025 11:30

When you are going through this, remember you have done nothing wrong. You deserve to be treated as the number one person in his life, and be respected. Hugs xx

Reebokker · 21/08/2025 11:31

I am in awe of how strong you are OP. Keep positive and keep your head held high!

CelerySticker · 21/08/2025 11:36

Here to support. You are doing really well, far better than I did at the time.

FourAndFive · 21/08/2025 11:37

@Scentedjasmin hits the nail on the head here from the first thread: * *

It sounds to me like he is pinning everything on his hobby to lift his mood and construct a new purpose for his life. It's as though he is using this new friend to create more excitement and enthusiasm for his hobby in an attempt to elevate it and consequently his mood.

This is absolutely what's happened. And while I've been aware for a while that the hobby is more of an obsession - I had no idea it was at this level. His initial reaction was that I would be taking everything away from him and that wasn't the case, at all.

It has highlighted he needs help and our eldest has given him some numbers to call, including our GP. He's in a bad way, but I cannot and will not focus on him at the moment.

OP posts:
Washingupdone · 21/08/2025 11:51

Even your DC are realizing the hobby has taken their place in his life. That’s so sad, do they know of the OW?

Abthdust · 21/08/2025 12:00

Cheering you on.

CanIgetARosePinkFrappucino · 21/08/2025 12:02

Thinking of you. I've followed and understand right now he's away....when it's the overnight trip....rooting for you

pikkumyy77 · 21/08/2025 12:02

OP you are handling this crisis with such grace! I wish you and the children so much peace, eventually. At least you have each other right now.

MsPavlichenko · 21/08/2025 12:04

FourAndFive · 21/08/2025 11:37

@Scentedjasmin hits the nail on the head here from the first thread: * *

It sounds to me like he is pinning everything on his hobby to lift his mood and construct a new purpose for his life. It's as though he is using this new friend to create more excitement and enthusiasm for his hobby in an attempt to elevate it and consequently his mood.

This is absolutely what's happened. And while I've been aware for a while that the hobby is more of an obsession - I had no idea it was at this level. His initial reaction was that I would be taking everything away from him and that wasn't the case, at all.

It has highlighted he needs help and our eldest has given him some numbers to call, including our GP. He's in a bad way, but I cannot and will not focus on him at the moment.

You are right not to focus on him. Remember however that the being unwell etc is all part of the script, knowingly or otherwise. As is having people feel sorry for him/ offer him support. Your parents, his children , his girlfriend etc. It also ensures that he still remains in your headspace regardless of all your efforts to get on with things. He knows this. All the while he continues to do exactly what he wants.

He knows what is required to start to make things better. End the relationship with her. That should be the first step. Then the therapy ( to cover whatever ). Nobody needs therapy to persuade them an extra marital relationship , sexual or emotional, is wrong. Keep that at the forefront of your mind, and if you can try and begin to think of yourselves as two individuals, rather than the “ we “ you’ve been for so long. It’s hellish difficult but will help you whatever the outcome

CanIgetARosePinkFrappucino · 21/08/2025 12:05

Just seen updates, thanks be for your eldest. Your husband needs the strong hand of someone from his own relatives, to be put properly against a wall with an wake up call

Angrymum22 · 21/08/2025 12:10

I really doubt that his hobby is his main concern. His hobby gives him access to his friend. Counselling will allow him to work this out. The two are intertwined. I’m sure if we all look back to our younger single selves we join groups, visited particular pubs/clubs because we were attracted to a particular person. For some individuals this becomes obsessive and is more than just a crush known as Limerence. Because of social media it’s less physical nowadays but probably just as common. It’s a classic teenage behaviour that the vast majority of people grow out of.

The fact your DH has had such an extreme reaction to you suggesting he cuts back on his hobby suggests that he is using it to facilitate his limerence. You do need to understand that psychological his emotions are extreme and real, albeit ridiculous to us. I suspect your DC are recognising behaviour that they have seen in friends who are at that age where teenage obsession is normal. Seeing it in their DF is probably unsettling but their advice to him is sound.

FourAndFive · 21/08/2025 12:16

pikkumyy77 · 21/08/2025 12:02

OP you are handling this crisis with such grace! I wish you and the children so much peace, eventually. At least you have each other right now.

Thank you. We do. There were tears yesterday - they are proud of me. If only they knew how proud of them I am.

Today I can't see a way through other than divorce. Perhaps this is a defence mechanism? Like hoping things will turn out okay is just so absurd, because how can it be? I am enjoying my "off switch" it's quite empowering.

Tomorrow might be different, though. What a rollercoaster. 0/5 - would not recommend.

OP posts:
Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 21/08/2025 12:23

FourAndFive · 21/08/2025 12:16

Thank you. We do. There were tears yesterday - they are proud of me. If only they knew how proud of them I am.

Today I can't see a way through other than divorce. Perhaps this is a defence mechanism? Like hoping things will turn out okay is just so absurd, because how can it be? I am enjoying my "off switch" it's quite empowering.

Tomorrow might be different, though. What a rollercoaster. 0/5 - would not recommend.

I think it is a defence mechanism of sorts. It's a very useful one.
By focusing on you and the kids, planning for divorce and moving your lives forward you can't go wrong.
I remember spending the first few days in absolutely bits. I tried scrabbled and fought to get my life back together.
At some point I realised that life is gone, whether he came back or not. Focusing on moving forward brought out my determination and independence. It also brought some light back into my life. I imagined his clothes all gone from the wardrobes and how the house would be our (mine and the kids) space moving forward.
I actually think that that shift in me is what brought him back - you might find the same too, but either way it's all on your terms now.
Your kids are lucky to have such a strong and amazing Mum x

Secondstart1001 · 21/08/2025 12:37

What is your husbands reaction? Is he begging to come home or is he in denial or moving on now it’s all in the open?

TheTeaCosyofDoom · 21/08/2025 12:55

@FourAndFive

Thank you for starting a second thread. I hope and trust that the support that you get from it will be of great value.

Well, for what it's worth, here's my story.

My late ex-husband and his OW got together when they were both serving on the committee of a youth organisation in our city. At the time we had been married for 15 years and we had DD and I was pregnant with DS. OW wasn't that much younger than my husband, but she had never been married and at 36 her biological clock was by all accounts ticking very loudly.

I endured six years (yes, you read that correctly) of mentionitis, gaslighting, outright lying and even threatening behaviour on his part when I threatened to talk about my suspicions about the relationship to both of their employers (both teachers, but not at the same school). Eventually he went away with an exchange at his school, and while he was away I took the opportunity to turn the house, garage etc upside down, and during the last five minutes of the search came across a carrier bag of evidence (Valentine cards, letters etc, no texts in those days, mid 80s). When he returned from his trip I sat him down and told him quite solemnly that I was going to ask him a question and that I expected him to give me a truthful answer.

"Are you having an affair with X?"

Massive eye roll. "Oh for Christ's sake, not this again."

You can probably imagine the look on his face when I bent down and pulled out from beneath the armchair on which I was sitting a selection of some of the choicest items of evidence from the carrier bag that I had found, and scattered them across the carpet in front of him.

Long story short, I threw him out after ten days. He had spent so much time out of the house with OW that DS (then 6) didn't even notice he had gone.

Paid maintenance for the DC, saw them regularly, but told everyone I was crazy. In spite of my craziness, he landed on my doorstep one day, and said, "She wants a bloody baby now. What do you think I should do?"

Had a DD with OW a year later, married her eventually, was miserable and imo and in the opinion of others who knew the pair of them, never got over the guilt he suffered because of the misery that he had caused me and our DC. Started drinking, made OW and their DC's life a misery. Threatened to kill OW at 4am one night, OW escaped the house and called the police, he was arrested, OW changed locks, divorce ensued.

He finally succeeded in drinking himself to death about a month before Christmas 2022.

@FourAndFive It speaks volumes to me about you as a mother, that your elder child wants to help your husband. Teacosy x

FourAndFive · 21/08/2025 13:00

Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 21/08/2025 12:23

I think it is a defence mechanism of sorts. It's a very useful one.
By focusing on you and the kids, planning for divorce and moving your lives forward you can't go wrong.
I remember spending the first few days in absolutely bits. I tried scrabbled and fought to get my life back together.
At some point I realised that life is gone, whether he came back or not. Focusing on moving forward brought out my determination and independence. It also brought some light back into my life. I imagined his clothes all gone from the wardrobes and how the house would be our (mine and the kids) space moving forward.
I actually think that that shift in me is what brought him back - you might find the same too, but either way it's all on your terms now.
Your kids are lucky to have such a strong and amazing Mum x

Thank you @Allthegoodonesareg0ne every single post has been so, so helpful. I wish it wasn't happening, but it is, so onwards we must go.

I thought about how much space there would be, mentally and physically if I were to just let go, and it felt calm, peaceful and that determination to survive was what I was left with.

OP posts:
Allthegoodonesareg0ne · 21/08/2025 13:05

FourAndFive · 21/08/2025 13:00

Thank you @Allthegoodonesareg0ne every single post has been so, so helpful. I wish it wasn't happening, but it is, so onwards we must go.

I thought about how much space there would be, mentally and physically if I were to just let go, and it felt calm, peaceful and that determination to survive was what I was left with.

I know you don't feel strong right now - neither should you as your life is turned inside out and upside down.
But I promise when you look back on this time you realise just how strong you were and how well it served you.
One day at a time, you are doing everything right and so bravely x

FourAndFive · 21/08/2025 13:10

TheTeaCosyofDoom · 21/08/2025 12:55

@FourAndFive

Thank you for starting a second thread. I hope and trust that the support that you get from it will be of great value.

Well, for what it's worth, here's my story.

My late ex-husband and his OW got together when they were both serving on the committee of a youth organisation in our city. At the time we had been married for 15 years and we had DD and I was pregnant with DS. OW wasn't that much younger than my husband, but she had never been married and at 36 her biological clock was by all accounts ticking very loudly.

I endured six years (yes, you read that correctly) of mentionitis, gaslighting, outright lying and even threatening behaviour on his part when I threatened to talk about my suspicions about the relationship to both of their employers (both teachers, but not at the same school). Eventually he went away with an exchange at his school, and while he was away I took the opportunity to turn the house, garage etc upside down, and during the last five minutes of the search came across a carrier bag of evidence (Valentine cards, letters etc, no texts in those days, mid 80s). When he returned from his trip I sat him down and told him quite solemnly that I was going to ask him a question and that I expected him to give me a truthful answer.

"Are you having an affair with X?"

Massive eye roll. "Oh for Christ's sake, not this again."

You can probably imagine the look on his face when I bent down and pulled out from beneath the armchair on which I was sitting a selection of some of the choicest items of evidence from the carrier bag that I had found, and scattered them across the carpet in front of him.

Long story short, I threw him out after ten days. He had spent so much time out of the house with OW that DS (then 6) didn't even notice he had gone.

Paid maintenance for the DC, saw them regularly, but told everyone I was crazy. In spite of my craziness, he landed on my doorstep one day, and said, "She wants a bloody baby now. What do you think I should do?"

Had a DD with OW a year later, married her eventually, was miserable and imo and in the opinion of others who knew the pair of them, never got over the guilt he suffered because of the misery that he had caused me and our DC. Started drinking, made OW and their DC's life a misery. Threatened to kill OW at 4am one night, OW escaped the house and called the police, he was arrested, OW changed locks, divorce ensued.

He finally succeeded in drinking himself to death about a month before Christmas 2022.

@FourAndFive It speaks volumes to me about you as a mother, that your elder child wants to help your husband. Teacosy x

Thank you so much for sharing that story, and I'm so sorry it happened. The audacity of him. I'm sorry to hear of his passing for your DC's sake. Hats off to you for not stopping until you found the truth, and the way you handed it to him - brilliant.

OP posts:
FourAndFive · 21/08/2025 13:17

Secondstart1001 · 21/08/2025 12:37

What is your husbands reaction? Is he begging to come home or is he in denial or moving on now it’s all in the open?

Sadness. No begging or pleading - he knew I was serious. I've asked for space, and he has given it to me. I don't want to communicate with him right now. I don't have a timeline, and I'm okay with that at the moment.

I see my parents at the weekend, so I can explain things properly. I'm still utterly furious he involved my Dad.

OP posts:
outerspacepotato · 21/08/2025 13:18

Giving the number is good. Just be careful your kids don't think they can fix him. That way lies codependency.

But now he knows his kids aren't seeing him as the good guy so be careful and grey rock. He might try to blame everything on a mental break so he can evade responsibility for his actions.

You and your kids are strong and this is highlighting that.

3luckystars · 21/08/2025 13:22

I read every single post on the last thread and it has been such a lovely, supportive, and eye opening thread. Very best wishes to you on the way forward. I have a lovely meditation that I have listened to over the years if I was uncertain about the future and it has really helped me enormously.

I will post it here for you and whatever happens, you are better on the shelf than in the wrong cabinet. 💕

3luckystars · 21/08/2025 13:26

Here is the ‘future self’ meditation:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=mi9VRY9sFWo

JimmyGiraffe · 21/08/2025 13:38

OP, I had hoped he would be pushing to come home by now, and that the time apart scared him

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 21/08/2025 13:40

thinking of you and your DC, OP and wishing you well x