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Help - Sex and Touch being withheld

238 replies

HusbandAndDad44 · 12/08/2025 09:08

Dad here. 44yo. My wife of 13 years weaponises sex, and more recently, touch. She always has to some degree I guess but it has gotten unbearable. She’s aware I have a need for touch and have a high sex drive compared to her. She basically keeps it from me in a controlling way. She knows I need contact like occasional cuddles too.

To start with (before marriage) we had more frequent sex and straight after marriage it seemed to be only when she had the desire to. My advances would be regularly and firmly blocked in no uncertain terms.

Since then things have gotten much worse, with certain acts being withheld indefinitely, and frequency diminishing more and more.
Now, we have vanilla sex only, very limited foreplay (again, her choice) and probably once a month or often less, for 20mins or less - only when she chooses, and when we do it seems to come with reluctance, and ‘conditions’ attached.
“Let’s be quick” or “we have a 10minute window” or “no not here” or “not like that”

She never talks about sex with me or has any reference to sexuality in our daily lives (literally never). She has never expressed any fantasy to me, much to my frustration. “I don’t have any”

Over the years basic intimacy like cuddling has been taken away. I like a cuddle at night and as I sleep, but this has eroded to even just the hope of a two minute cuddle before we sleep (only).

Just last night we almost had sex but when I started to gently play with her breast and nipple, she got visibly annoyed and shouted at me for doing it the wrong way. It was “too sore” although I wasn’t rough.
This lead to her storming out and preferring to sleep in another room rather than engage when I was trying to talk to her and express I feel she never has time for me.

Anyway, I was unusually angered at work today - just as much about the refusal to talk about it and the assumption she’s right (again), as about the no sex thing.
I decided not to go straight home after work for a change, opting to go for a meal by myself and then an evening showing at the cinema after and thought to myself I won’t talk to her during this time.
It’s now 10:30pm and I’ve had 6 texts and 20 missed calls.

What has my life become? I feel utterly unwanted and deeply unsatisfied and alone.
I still love her and find her very attractive but my awareness of all the other selfish sides of her and ignoring basically all my needs (I think deliberately) makes it like ongoing torture to want to continue on like this.
I’ve tried the communication thing repeatedly - both sit down and chat and also things like ‘couples quizzes’ and things like that. Each time I’m shut down quickly as if I’m the problem, it strangely that there’s no problem, or the issue is deflected and an argument about an unrelated topic begins.

Help and advice needed please! In particular from a woman’s perspective, thanks

OP posts:
Devilsmommy · 14/08/2025 11:49

So because your wife doesn't want sex with you you decided to go out and give her the silent treatment? Yeah, that's going to make her want to have sex with you 🙄 you realise that's abusive behaviour right?

LadybugsAndSunshine · 14/08/2025 20:24

What do you mean by vanilla sex?

AnotherVice · 15/08/2025 00:00


What you describe above is not enthusiastic consent, it's someone doing the absolute bare minimum to keep you quiet. Your wife doesn't want to have sex with you. She wants to get the act over with as quickly as possible and she's not participating ie she's lying there and thinking of England.
Yes, it does feel like this, I agree. It's not always like that but it's ringing true with me I'm sad to say.**

OP, you admitted you know she is lying there unwilling. How would you describe this?

bigsnootenergy · 18/08/2025 00:06

Women need to have an emotional connection and the feeling of being desired beyond just being a vessel for sexual fulfilment.

I bet your what’s really lying behind the “withholding” is a deeper issue of her not being connected with you. I am also guessing she’s probably felt like this for a while.

And you badgering her for sex is making her even more resentful.

MuckFusk · 18/08/2025 02:18

Rememberwhatthedoorknobsaid · 12/08/2025 22:34

You sound like an annoying randy schoolboy trying to twizzle her nipples - I’m not surprised she walked out. Also, storming off to the cinema and giving her the silent treatment - massive red flag - what a baby. This marriage sounds miserable. You say you “like cuddles” but ill guess she has stopped because you try and turn every single cuddle into a “quickie.” Your poor wife.

Exactly this. Him whining over only getting "vanilla" sex was equally nauseating. I'm guessing he badgered her into kinky acts in the past and she's had enough of it, is totally turned off to sex with him because of that and his entitled attitude about sex.
His post reeks of sexual entitlement and I'm amazed that not everybody here can see it. She doesn't want it, so he claims she's using it as a weapon. He's angry that she will only do it when she desires it, as if that's unreasonable and she should just do it whether she feels like it or not. Good grief. I sympathize with people of either sex who are in a sexless relationship, but in this particular case I strongly suspect he's brought it on himself.

MuckFusk · 18/08/2025 02:22

LadybugsAndSunshine · 14/08/2025 20:24

What do you mean by vanilla sex?

I'm guessing he's missing the kinky stuff he manipulated her into doing in the past and she's done catering to fantasies that disgust her.

MuckFusk · 18/08/2025 02:26

MaryLennoxsScowl · 13/08/2025 09:43

the issue is deflected and an argument about an unrelated topic begins.

This ‘unrelated topic’ is her trying to tell you what the problem is, but you’ve unilaterally decided that because it’s not about sex it doesn’t count.

Look at your words: controlling, torture, withholding, stonewalling (you leapt on that one from a sympathetic poster!), vanilla sex; and your actions: you refused to believe her when she said you hurt her breast to the point that she had to leave the room, you stropped off to the cinema to make her worry about you, you wanted to go to bed and be babied by her over a headache that you described as a migraine (newsflash: migraines are debilitating, not something you can cure with an aspirin!) during her only time to herself all day (her downtime) with no thought of who was looking after the kids. You also leapt at the suggestion by a poster that she had just married you to get her feet under the table and had more sex with you beforehand to lure you into it. That’s an incredibly misogynistic view.

You might consider yourself a nice guy. I don’t. I think you need to take a very hard look at yourself and stop reading manosphere shite about how women deliberately withhold sex to manipulate men.

👏👏

KitCatDigDog · 18/08/2025 02:57

I'm becoming a bit repulsed myself by how this thread is turning out, and turning me into a criminal quite frankly.

The women here have seen through you and you’re not happy with that. Your poor wife.

kkloo · 18/08/2025 03:02

HusbandAndDad44 · 12/08/2025 20:28

@EarringsandLipstick
It is in the context that his DW won't discuss it, explain, look for a solution etc - which are all cornerstones of respect, which is what a healthy, loving marriage should have.
It's not 'not having sex' - it's withholding it (she is) and refusing to acknowledge that, discuss it or make a decision (e.g. if she doesn't want sex with him - her right - she does have a responsibility to consider what that means for the marriage, and take ownership e.g. end the marriage / seek counselling or whatever course of action seems reasonable).
Expecting someone to just accept that you have withdrawn from all physical contact, with no forum for the OP to be heard, is horrible.

Thank you so much for this post. It explains really well what I've been struggling to describe, and frankly the "withholding" word - just the use of it - has been jumped upon by many in here to prove that I'm really mean and only think of myself and my pleasure.

It's not the case at all, and you've captured that so well in these words, thank you

The main thing I was trying to cover in my post was the withholding of physical touch first and foremost.
As one post said I think it might be stonewalling

That term implies that there's loads of it to be given but she's just choosing to hold back. Especially when you also said in your post that she weaponises it and keeps it from you in a controlling way, but then you just went on to describe someone who doesn't seem to want sex, people who don't want sex do tend to be very specific about what they will allow and when.

If she doesn't want to have sex then what is she holding back? From allowing you to touch her when she doesn't want it? or she's holding back from allowing you to have sex with her when she doesn't want it?

This is why the term is problematic, it implies that because her body is there that if she doesn't allow you to use or touch it that she's withholding it, even though the desire and want to be touched is missing, which is the most important part.

SunflowerTed · 18/08/2025 03:53

MuckFusk · 18/08/2025 02:18

Exactly this. Him whining over only getting "vanilla" sex was equally nauseating. I'm guessing he badgered her into kinky acts in the past and she's had enough of it, is totally turned off to sex with him because of that and his entitled attitude about sex.
His post reeks of sexual entitlement and I'm amazed that not everybody here can see it. She doesn't want it, so he claims she's using it as a weapon. He's angry that she will only do it when she desires it, as if that's unreasonable and she should just do it whether she feels like it or not. Good grief. I sympathize with people of either sex who are in a sexless relationship, but in this particular case I strongly suspect he's brought it on himself.

What a nasty post full of bile. Have you read his posts at all? He’s acknowledging some of his wording could have been better? If you have nothing decent to say bore off

MuckFusk · 18/08/2025 04:03

SunflowerTed · 18/08/2025 03:53

What a nasty post full of bile. Have you read his posts at all? He’s acknowledging some of his wording could have been better? If you have nothing decent to say bore off

Yes I have and it's not word choice I'm talking about, it's the attitude of sexual entitlement. Lots of people on this thread have seen it. If you honestly can't see it, that's weird, but it's not my problem and I'll continue to post where I please.

Blushie · 18/08/2025 07:49

Haven’t read the full thread, but I’ll be frank, OP - I behave a bit like your wife. I don’t often want to have sex with my DH these days - my desire has plummeted. This is due to a combination of factors - my own perimenopausal exhaustion and stress, the lack of excitement that’s inevitable after being together for decades, and my resentment over aspects of his behaviour.

Of the three, the last is by far the biggest factor. Relationship issues are a whole other thread but frankly, it’s him not me. 😂I’ve been quite clear with him that I’m not exactly going to be up for it if he continues to behave in ways that upset me - it’s not weaponising sex, but just straightforward. Women don’t get turned on by crappy treatment.

It’s a difficult time for our marriage but I am hoping he’s absorbed this and we will work it out.

kkloo · 18/08/2025 14:08

SunflowerTed · 18/08/2025 03:53

What a nasty post full of bile. Have you read his posts at all? He’s acknowledging some of his wording could have been better? If you have nothing decent to say bore off

It's not the wording that's the issue though, he described in detail how he feels and it matches those words.

The issue here is that she doesn't want to have sex, but he seems to see that as something cruel and wrong that's being done to him, instead of understanding that she's just trying to protect herself

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