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A thread for FwB survivors (perhaps a little tongue in cheek) Part 2

267 replies

Clytemnestra21 · 22/07/2025 15:11

Hi all 👋
New thread to continue the old one for those of who still take part. Hope this works and everyone can see it?

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ThatRubyLion · 06/08/2025 22:55

GentlemanJay · 06/08/2025 21:56

Sounds like boyfriend territory?

Def not for him

ThatRubyLion · 06/08/2025 23:43

ThatRubyLion · 06/08/2025 22:53

hey how are you? How are things with you and Fwb situation? I’m not great if Im honest. Every time I see him which has been about 4 times the 2 weeks I just see him and I know I like him more than fwb 🥺 he even said to someone else today no not together just fwb so it’s clear where he stands, but it doesn’t help that every time I see him he goes on about if we were together we’d be this we’d be that sexually, then he says not saying we wouldn’t be compatible in other ways but def sex

@Clytemnestra21

Clytemnestra21 · 07/08/2025 07:06

@ThatRubyLioni hear you. It’s hard when you like someone. And hard when they like you enough to keep seeing you even though there’s that imbalance. But continuing seeing him like this isn’t going to change his mind. I’ve joined an OLD app: it’s a bit weird as I don’t feel too interested in anyone because they’re not him. But I’m having a couple of conversations. And I think I’m starting to shift inside towards thinking there might be someone in my future other than him. Might be worth a try.

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Moresunlessrain · 07/08/2025 08:04

I’m so happy to hear you are starting to allow yourself to move on. That’s a massive step.

shivermetimbers77 · 07/08/2025 12:28

I’m glad to see there’s a part 2 thread :) thanks for creating it @Clytemnestra21

fknEndlessCycle · 07/08/2025 13:27

FWB just ended things with me. He’s hugely avoidant (and knows it) and we had one weekend of him not being so and being very proactive -talked to me constantly, really wanted to see me multiple times - and after that he pulled back over a course of a week. Instead of playing games, I called him out on the confusing inconsistency so he ended it.

Honestly don’t know what I was doing - hugely avoidant guy who said he wasn’t in right place for relationship and just wanted fun for now. I knew would be bad for me but I still went for it. And now, I feel crap even though I don’t think he was the perfect guy at all. I’m over judging and blaming myself for being eager and chatty with him too, worried I acted like a psycho girl, but I also know I didn’t do anything wrong there as he did match my energy there briefly? Just needing a hand hold while my anxiety is high and my brain is obsessing over every word/interaction :/.

shivermetimbers77 · 07/08/2025 17:19

That’s really tough @fknEndlessCycle: it sounds like you did nothing wrong, you just matched his initial energy, showed a very natural amount of affection and responsiveness and in classic avoidant style he got scared of his own shadow and spooked himself when he got too keen, and backed away.. it’s genuinely exhausting and maddening to be in that cycle with an avoidant person, you will find lots of sympathy here!

Clytemnestra21 · 07/08/2025 19:04

@shivermetimbers77good yo see you here

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Clytemnestra21 · 07/08/2025 19:04

@fknEndlessCycleso sorry you’re feeling like this

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Clytemnestra21 · 07/08/2025 19:05

as @shivermetimbers77 says it’s utterly exhausting to be in this attention/affection tug of war

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fknEndlessCycle · 07/08/2025 19:11

Thanks @shivermetimbers77 . So maddening and exhausting. I think he also just got freaked out by me confronting him on his shift, but I am cba with playing games.

Moresunlessrain · 07/08/2025 19:17

fknEndlessCycle · 07/08/2025 19:11

Thanks @shivermetimbers77 . So maddening and exhausting. I think he also just got freaked out by me confronting him on his shift, but I am cba with playing games.

Good for you. I’ve no time for playing games either

fknEndlessCycle · 07/08/2025 20:51

Moresunlessrain · 07/08/2025 19:17

Good for you. I’ve no time for playing games either

Thank you :) I really need to stop going for avoidants. They do trigger shit in me and make me act insane

Clytemnestra21 · 08/08/2025 12:55

Anyone here listened to as psychotherapist Lauren LaRusso (she’s US based and on Instagram)? She talks a lot about dynamics and psychology of people impacted by and involved in affairs and infidelity. This morning she did a post about how people with people pleasing tendencies are most likely to end up as affair partners as they’re conditioned to over empathise and absorb the discomfort of others and suppress their own needs (e.g. for commitment/to be in a relationship with someone who is available etc)

I know this thread is for people who are in FwB arrangements but I wondered if there’s a parallel here with people who are in situationships where they want more than the other person but stay seeing them and don’t move on (e.g. yours truly).

Could I be weak willed re: FwB because I’m a people pleaser and self-abandoning empath? Or is it just that I don’t want certainty enough to stop having sex with him? 🤔

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Moresunlessrain · 08/08/2025 13:12

It’s probably a bit of both. Have you ever had therapy?

Kat888 · 08/08/2025 14:11

Clytemnestra21 · 08/08/2025 12:55

Anyone here listened to as psychotherapist Lauren LaRusso (she’s US based and on Instagram)? She talks a lot about dynamics and psychology of people impacted by and involved in affairs and infidelity. This morning she did a post about how people with people pleasing tendencies are most likely to end up as affair partners as they’re conditioned to over empathise and absorb the discomfort of others and suppress their own needs (e.g. for commitment/to be in a relationship with someone who is available etc)

I know this thread is for people who are in FwB arrangements but I wondered if there’s a parallel here with people who are in situationships where they want more than the other person but stay seeing them and don’t move on (e.g. yours truly).

Could I be weak willed re: FwB because I’m a people pleaser and self-abandoning empath? Or is it just that I don’t want certainty enough to stop having sex with him? 🤔

I love her I think she's great. I'm exactly like that I've always been a people pleaser but I'm working hard on changing. I think it's more complicated than we think. I think you live in hope he'll change his mind and be with you and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that but are you wasting precious time when you could be with someone that is all for you and wants you fully.

Clytemnestra21 · 08/08/2025 14:19

@Moresunlessraini have, yes @Kat888i find her really interesting too, some of the things she says really make me reflect on my (former) marriage

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ThatRubyLion · 08/08/2025 14:50

Kat888 · 08/08/2025 14:11

I love her I think she's great. I'm exactly like that I've always been a people pleaser but I'm working hard on changing. I think it's more complicated than we think. I think you live in hope he'll change his mind and be with you and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that but are you wasting precious time when you could be with someone that is all for you and wants you fully.

This is something that I need to keep reminding myself

comingintomyown · 08/08/2025 16:05

Hi folks this thread caught my eye ! After almost 16 years single I took the plunge doing OLD and began a FWB relationship with a guy because that was all he was offering and I was desperate to sleep with him ! I am now drawing a line under it and have worked hard to put some distance between us. He was a very nice guy but I hated how he was in control of how often we met (infrequently so nobody caught feelings) and I knew going into it I already had feelings and after sleeping with him they increased so I realised I was doing far more yearning and getting disappointed than having actual fun. I imagine it can work well if both parties have the same level of feelings but I don’t think I am temperamentally suited to such relationships because I fall hard. It’s been disappointing to find out after 16 years I haven’t changed much in this regard but at least I ended it after a few weeks rather than hanging on hoping he would like a relationship.

fknEndlessCycle · 08/08/2025 22:04

am definitely a people pleaser and will bend over backwards to try and be understanding @Clytemnestra21 . But that’s why I confronted my FWB as I’m trying to learn boundaries, but maybe I’m being too boundaried haha.

I think for me I also get some perverse security in pursuing someone I can’t have, insted of putting myself actually out there into the threat of heartbreak in real dating. I carry a lot of heartbreak baggage from a previous relationship, mayb others here do too?

ThatRubyLion · 09/08/2025 11:11

comingintomyown · 08/08/2025 16:05

Hi folks this thread caught my eye ! After almost 16 years single I took the plunge doing OLD and began a FWB relationship with a guy because that was all he was offering and I was desperate to sleep with him ! I am now drawing a line under it and have worked hard to put some distance between us. He was a very nice guy but I hated how he was in control of how often we met (infrequently so nobody caught feelings) and I knew going into it I already had feelings and after sleeping with him they increased so I realised I was doing far more yearning and getting disappointed than having actual fun. I imagine it can work well if both parties have the same level of feelings but I don’t think I am temperamentally suited to such relationships because I fall hard. It’s been disappointing to find out after 16 years I haven’t changed much in this regard but at least I ended it after a few weeks rather than hanging on hoping he would like a relationship.

Hi and welcome. This sounds very familiar to me! I’m 6 months into the fwb

Clytemnestra21 · 14/08/2025 23:00

@comingintomyown welcome! Sounds like you’ve exercised a lot of self control in walking away from this. I think you’re right about having similar feelings - an imbalance means heartache for one person.

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Clytemnestra21 · 14/08/2025 23:03

@fknEndlessCycleI’m with you on the heartache baggage. Ex husband of many years broke my heart quite spectacularly and I think it’s ruined trust for me.

my news is I’ve been on one date from OLD app - it was nice but I wasn’t attracted to him.
got another date tomorrow with someone I’m very drawn to, But, I think he may just be looking for something casual/FwB so may just be more of the same!

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Moresunlessrain · 16/08/2025 13:20

How did the other date go?!

shivermetimbers77 · 16/08/2025 15:10

Yes, hope the date went well @Clytemnestra21.. good idea to go into it with a really clear idea of what you do or don’t want.