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Over 40, never had a boyfriend or any sexual experience

217 replies

ForPoliteRaven · 07/06/2025 12:43

Exactly like the title says. It’s not for lack of trying. Online dating didn’t work for me despite having good photos and a professional writing my profile. I had a few first dates as a result, but they weren’t interested in another after meeting me. I’ve had friends try to set me up, but they weren’t interested. I was nice, their words, but apparently I wasn’t worth getting to know. My mother even handed out my phone number to a few guys over the years. I went out with them too, but the looks on their faces told me I wasn’t what they expected. So, less than ten first dates ever, and never a second.

I chalk it up to my appearance. I was diagnosed with a skin condition when I was little and I was relentlessly bullied throughout middle school and portions of high school. I had very few friends and really no family support to deal with it. I was just told to ignore them. That advice doesn’t work. I was always compared to my younger sister throughout childhood. All I heard was how pretty/beautiful she was. No one ever said that about me. I didn’t have dates for dances or the prom. I didn’t get invited to parties either. My self-esteem was destroyed before it could even appear.

Seeing my friends find boyfriends, getting married, and hearing about their sex lives hurts. I have nothing to say in conversations about these topics because I haven’t had these experiences. One of my friends even made fun of me for reaching the age of 38 a virgin and never having a boyfriend. I dropped her like a hot potato. A mutual friend has said she hopes I can forgive her one day, but she made me feel so small and like less of a woman.

I’ve been to counseling and it hasn’t helped. I was told to write down the qualities I like about myself and carry it with me so I can look at it when I’m feeling down. Another told me that I should try meeting people at church. When I told her I’m an atheist, she tried to convince me I wasn’t, and that I should go to church. I started seeing a new counselor, but I can’t afford my copays at the moment. I’m off for summer break, so my finances are carefully budgeted until I get my first check in August. I really liked her too.

What else can I do? I’m educated, kind, funny, and have a lot of interests and hobbies. I’ve changed my hair, my clothing, got my teeth fixed, and I take care of myself. I think I have a lot to offer a man. But they don’t seem to want me. Is there any hope for me? I’m so touch starved and am craving that kind of romantic touch I’ve never had before. Even a hug from a man would be nice.

OP posts:
Nevertea · 08/06/2025 09:22

Needmorelego · 08/06/2025 09:19

She's a teacher.

Yes sorry saw that.

Nevertea · 08/06/2025 09:22

Do you travel Op in the long breaks? Leave the US much?

enigmainthemist · 08/06/2025 09:37

OP, I've read all your posts and here's what I think:
Firstly, you are stuck in negative patterns of thinking. Every suggestion made to you, you've got a reason why it won't work. The reality is, if you want your life to change, you have to make changes. You've spent 40-odd years doing the same things with the same results. So guess what? If you want different results, you've got to do different things. You say you have limited opportunities where you live. So move. You say you can't afford to move? Well, get a second job and save like crazy for a year, and then move. You're a teacher - you could move abroad and be earning much more money, living in a new and exciting place, meeting totally different people. You say you can't do that because of your cats. Just take your cats with you! While you're busy finding excuses, time is busy ticking. You need to stop saying no to life and start saying yes

I also agree with @EnidSpyton here too. You seem like an interesting, vibrant person OP but you are coming across as very negative and shooting down every suggestion. If you dont change anything, then nothing is going to change is it? I also dont quite understand why you think your skin condition is apparently putting men off but then later on say it's barely visible. Personally, I think it's the way you are going across to people that is putting them off and that absolutely can be changed.

AloeVeraAloeFred · 08/06/2025 09:41

Charlottejbt · 08/06/2025 01:00

Hmm. The idea that the OP is "neurodiverse" seems to be gaining ground on this thread, although it wasn't mentioned until page 6 and only then by a rather trollish poster who then came back with a jibe about learning disabilities (!) when the OP didn't rise to the bait!

I'm not sure that this forum is the place to diagnose neurodiversity, but in my circle there has been a correlation between that and virginity over 40. Friend 1, male, openly talked about being a "virgo intacta" (as he put it!) supposedly for religious reasons. He was not diagnosed with anything but was regarded by many who knew him as textbook Asperger's. Friend 2, female, is very private and never talks about sex; she is however open about never having dated anyone, and I assume she is a virgin. She is diagnosed ADHD, which I imagine is a red herring as far as not dating is concerned, since we share similar disorganized traits and they've never stopped me! I expect she may be more "diverse" than she's letting on, though.

I wouldn't rush to diagnose the OP with autism based on what she has wriiten here. The problem seems to be specific to the world of sex and dating rather than relating to other people generally.

I think after about 4 or 5 pages, newcomers are more likely to read all of the OPs updates, instead of just the first post. These have revealed more about the OP, in particular that her skin problem is not disfiguring, and in and of itself is unlikely to be significant, and also that's she's having (or believes she's having) difficulties with social norms during dates (the "over sharing"). Also, a number of other potential issues and solutions have been explored and rejected. So I don't think it's that surprising that autism is being raised as a possibility. Nor does this indicate some kind of bandwagon response, as you seem to be implying. As you've surmised, the incidence is going to be much higher among people who are virgins over 40 despite wanting to explore relationships and sex. Noone can diagnose autism over Mumsnet, but noone has attempted to here. It's a worthwhile avenue for OP to explore and a reasonable suggestion to make.

CoffeeFroth · 08/06/2025 09:57

I think it's actually very difficult for any of us here to help you as we don't really know what the issue is.
I don't know how you would do this but I think you need to get some feedback about how you come across to people.

It may be that your over sharing is putting people off.
I went on a date with a man who did this and I chose not to see him again because he came across as self absorbed and not interested in me, although he seemed like a nice person and I couldn't see anything else wrong with him. I have a friend with ADHD who talks A LOT too and at times it makes me feel like shit but I know that's due to her condition and we have a good conversation once she's off loaded and are good friends.

It may well be this but we can't really tell because we haven't met you.
There should be some kind of personality assessment service that you pay for, hopefully someone will invent this soon.

Nevertea · 08/06/2025 10:00

please come back op and answer about the guy who you think got pissed off and “butt hurt” because you liked a song at a jazz concert

because at face value, it makes bugger all sense

queenofthebongo · 08/06/2025 10:46

Can you join a hiking club or a climbing club? Volunteer in your spare time? Get out to meet people naturally. Where people chat as part of what you are doing.
when I was single and didn’t have anyone to on holiday with I volunteered working on a short film.
surely there is something in your area…
good luck. 💗

Thethingswedoforlove · 08/06/2025 10:49

Focus less on reducing oversharing and more on showing interest in them. Ask questions and let them speak. Ask them follow up questions. Let them be your focus. See if you like what is in front of you. You will then be best placed to decide if you would like to take things forwards.

queenofthebongo · 08/06/2025 10:59

I’ve now caught up on the thread and have discovered you are not very outdoorsy so I apologise for my previous post.
i see you are a teacher. Could you apply for an international job? You get accommodation and flights paid for and you’ll get some travel thrown in. Who knows who you might meet…

Ruby0707 · 08/06/2025 11:03

Could you join a proper, paid for dating agency or service? Rather than the online dating?

They may be able to match you up with someone more suitable.

Agapornis · 08/06/2025 12:32

ForPoliteRaven · 07/06/2025 23:00

We have plenty of nature parks all over the state. They’re mostly a tour on your own situation, but many of them are nice. I’m not much of an outdoorsy person, but there’s usually plaques and historical stuff to read so that’s a selling point for me. I haven’t had much luck meeting people in public. I’ve made friends mostly through work.

I think you've misunderstood this suggestion. You might not be outdoorsy but they're not expecting arduous 8 hour hikes. Explore some potential new interests! You probably have a local Audubon society, are they running events you could attend? Wildlife groups are really keen to train new volunteers in monitoring, and it's not physically hard. Volunteering is a really good way to get to know new people. Yes there'll be some older people - but they probably have children your age who might be eligible!

The national parks service has lots of volunteer opportunities e.g. I see that they're looking for an education volunteer in Texas:
https://www.volunteer.gov/s/volunteer-opportunity/a09SJ000007HiYTYA0/education-volunteer

When you can afford therapy again, consider discussing seeing barriers vs opportunities. Just because other people think leaving the state on your own for fun is a big deal, doesn't mean you need to agree. If you're white, remember that your great great great great (etc) grandparents probably travelled all the way from Europe! Travelling is in your genes!

Thatsalineallright · 08/06/2025 12:35

I think first you could try to figure out if there's something you're doing wrong. So perhaps:

  1. hygiene
  2. body language (hunched shoulders, too much or too little eye contact, standing too close etc)
  3. self-deprecating comments (these can get tiring quickly)
  4. not asking questions and showing an interest in your date (you mention over-sharing - maybe you're just talking about yourself?)
  5. going for the wrong type of guy and ignoring the ones that might actually be interested

Then if you (along with trusted friends/family) feel that it's none of those things, then I think you need to start approaching dating in a more focused way. Join several different apps, join different hobby groups (e.g. through meetup.com). Aim to socialise at least 4 days per week.

Normal non-romantic socialisation should help with your confidence. Dating apps (even if it's just first dates) should give you more practice there as well. And remember, you really only need one person to be interested in you (and you in him of course!). Play the numbers game - meet a hundred men and one might be the one for you.

Thatsalineallright · 08/06/2025 12:53

Also, to add to the list above, consider weight. Like it or not, it plays a role on dating success.

SpicedHerbalTea · 08/06/2025 15:01

Haven’t RTFT.

OP, join a committee-run mixed-sex sports club. field hockey, rugby, tennis… or a multi sport club with both male and female teams.

Look for clubs that have development squads or similar if you’re not skilled at those sports.

Then volunteer the life out of yourself sorting kit, sitting on committees, organising socials.

You’ll quickly develop a new mixed-sex social circle where your input is wanted, needed and valued. Who knows what may come from this??

Also very-much challenge your subconscious thoughts about the man you’d like to meet in terms of looks, occupation, personal circumstances etc. Know that if your criteria are very narrow (e.g. similar quiet and inexperienced but lovely 40-year old man) your chances of finding ‘the one’ will be hugely lowered.

To get what you want, you have to give what you have.

Nevertea · 08/06/2025 15:32

SpicedHerbalTea · 08/06/2025 15:01

Haven’t RTFT.

OP, join a committee-run mixed-sex sports club. field hockey, rugby, tennis… or a multi sport club with both male and female teams.

Look for clubs that have development squads or similar if you’re not skilled at those sports.

Then volunteer the life out of yourself sorting kit, sitting on committees, organising socials.

You’ll quickly develop a new mixed-sex social circle where your input is wanted, needed and valued. Who knows what may come from this??

Also very-much challenge your subconscious thoughts about the man you’d like to meet in terms of looks, occupation, personal circumstances etc. Know that if your criteria are very narrow (e.g. similar quiet and inexperienced but lovely 40-year old man) your chances of finding ‘the one’ will be hugely lowered.

To get what you want, you have to give what you have.

I have to say it
but your advice would indeed indicate you most definitely “Haven’t RTFT.**!

tripleginandtonic · 08/06/2025 15:55

Who have you been attracted to OP?

HarLace1 · 19/06/2025 13:23

ForPoliteRaven · 07/06/2025 16:42

I have psoriasis. I agree that confidence is a huge issue for me. I’ve never had any because of the bullying by my peers and the jabs about my appearance by family members. When you’ve heard that you’re ugly or never received compliments on your appearance for most of your life, it’s hard not to think that my appearance is the issue too.

My dad and auntie have psoriasis too and believe me it never stopped them. Yes it's a chronic pain especially when it's on your scalp but u 100% need to work on your confidence trust me when I say it won't be the psoriasis.

P.s light therapy was amazing for my dad so if it's bothering u look into that x

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