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DH Affair. How do I cope with family holiday?

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EmmaThompsonsTears · 01/06/2025 15:23

New account in case outing.

I’ve just found out in the last 24 hours that my husband has been having an affair for the last 9 months at least.
2 DCs - 4 & 18m.

He doesn’t know I know. I plan to keep it that way so I can see a solicitor and sort out finances. But we leave for a family holiday tomorrow, and I feel like I’m going to explode.

How can I get through this week? Hand hold needed. Any advice welcome.

I’ve been lurking on these threads for a while and felt in my gut I was a victim of The Script. Checked his phone while he was asleep and I was right. Please help.

OP posts:
offtocalifornia · 14/06/2025 10:24

I suspect that for a certain type of man - they do behave strategically in this way to maximise their own gratification, and they do not think it is wrong. Some even feel that they are in the right and feel they are the victims. And that the women in their lives are lucky to have them.

Spinachpastapicker · 14/06/2025 10:37

StartupRepair · 13/06/2025 22:45

Let's remember that this is OP's actual life, not a soap opera. Ending a marriage is messy and complex and she may need much more time to process what has happened.

I agree. OP will still be in a kind of shock at everything that’s happened. It’s a huge stress and upheaval and emotional rollercoaster while she’s trying to keep everything normal for the children.

Everyone needs to give her a chance to think and plan, not be shouting at her for “giving him a second chance”.

Spinachpastapicker · 14/06/2025 10:42

Just read OP’s latest update from last night and I’m SO PROUD of you!! Well done.

CharDee · 14/06/2025 11:31

So sorry this absolute shit has done this to you.
I’m glad you know your worth and he is going to be ExH as soon as possible.

You have shown incredible strength and I hope you are proud of yourself and the example you are setting for your children and women to see this thread.

youlied · 14/06/2025 11:48

Cannot believe these “men” who hide behind their Mothers. Talk about enabling them. My ExH did exactly the same, brought Mummy round to shout at me.
I went totally grey rock the day I left. Didn’t respond to texts anything. It helped me massively. It was easier for me as we had no children/property.
He had and still has no idea where I am. I left for him to file for divorce as I wasn’t paying for it. He had to pay extra for it to be filed via email because of this!
I signed the papers quite happily!
It does get easier. However hard it may be to contact the OW don’t. I am immensely proud of how I controlled my ending.

Easipeelerie · 14/06/2025 11:49

There’s not a chance he’ll want rid of you now he’s lost the other woman. You are all he has, so the charm offensive mixed with begging and crying will be employed to maximum effect.
He wants the comfort, not the person.

Profpudding · 14/06/2025 11:49

youlied · 14/06/2025 11:48

Cannot believe these “men” who hide behind their Mothers. Talk about enabling them. My ExH did exactly the same, brought Mummy round to shout at me.
I went totally grey rock the day I left. Didn’t respond to texts anything. It helped me massively. It was easier for me as we had no children/property.
He had and still has no idea where I am. I left for him to file for divorce as I wasn’t paying for it. He had to pay extra for it to be filed via email because of this!
I signed the papers quite happily!
It does get easier. However hard it may be to contact the OW don’t. I am immensely proud of how I controlled my ending.

My ex’s mother sent him money so that he was able to not work and therefore not support his children.
And to make it worse, she had been on the receiving end of a crappy divorce herself so she knew exactly how I felt

SerafinasGoose · 14/06/2025 13:12

OP: a few posters are questioning why your husband has decided to come clean now, specifically. Your own posting history answers that question very clearly. He's sensed a sea change in your attitude. He had you on the hop, questioning yourself, blaming yourself for every negative nuance happening in your relationship, in the end resulting in your undertaking counselling. His gaslighting was, in short, successful - as it often is before the scales fall from our eyes and we realise what's happening. The good news is that once that realisation happens, they can't take us in in the same way again.

Of late, you've realised the issue is him, not you, and found it liberating. When he's continued with the line of what an appalling person he is, you've laughed in his face. Bet he wasn't expecting that. These abusive men - and please be in no doubt that he is one of them - sense these changes in attitude as surely as if we are sending them radio signals. He's noticed a renewed strength in you; a refusal to accept yourself as the bad person, and likely, too, a sense of distance as you prepare to extract yourself from the situation. He now sees his cosy domestic situation has come under threat and, despite his promises to OW, he doesn't want that to happen as it will create trouble and inconvenience for him.

This is not a man who loves you. His manipulation is breathtaking: in withholding affection from you to make you desperate and then bestowing it only when he wants to bring you back into line and maintain the status quo precisely as it is. This is truly loathesome behaviour. Likewise the suicide threats. These are also recognised patterns of abuse: the cycle goes from love-bombing to devaluing and, eventually, discarding.

Your instincts are rock solid. You intended to keep your knowledge of his affair to yourself because you knew precisely how we would work on you: and he has proved you right. You recognised The Script. The above cycle of love-bombing to 'discard' is another variation on the script. The cycle will repeat itself. This will continue happening, ad nauseam, for as long as you stay. Trust yourself, OP. You were right - about all of it - so far. You're also right that this will be your life if you stay. Cut to that part right now, and you'll save yourself a whole world of grief. There is no future to be had - none - with a personality like this unless you sacrifice everything of yourself in the process, ending up as a hollowed-out shell.

I'm sorry that you too have found yourself embroiled in a relationship with such a destructive man. Final point: he won't change. They never do. Flowers

DancinOnTheCeiling · 14/06/2025 13:30

SerafinasGoose · 14/06/2025 13:12

OP: a few posters are questioning why your husband has decided to come clean now, specifically. Your own posting history answers that question very clearly. He's sensed a sea change in your attitude. He had you on the hop, questioning yourself, blaming yourself for every negative nuance happening in your relationship, in the end resulting in your undertaking counselling. His gaslighting was, in short, successful - as it often is before the scales fall from our eyes and we realise what's happening. The good news is that once that realisation happens, they can't take us in in the same way again.

Of late, you've realised the issue is him, not you, and found it liberating. When he's continued with the line of what an appalling person he is, you've laughed in his face. Bet he wasn't expecting that. These abusive men - and please be in no doubt that he is one of them - sense these changes in attitude as surely as if we are sending them radio signals. He's noticed a renewed strength in you; a refusal to accept yourself as the bad person, and likely, too, a sense of distance as you prepare to extract yourself from the situation. He now sees his cosy domestic situation has come under threat and, despite his promises to OW, he doesn't want that to happen as it will create trouble and inconvenience for him.

This is not a man who loves you. His manipulation is breathtaking: in withholding affection from you to make you desperate and then bestowing it only when he wants to bring you back into line and maintain the status quo precisely as it is. This is truly loathesome behaviour. Likewise the suicide threats. These are also recognised patterns of abuse: the cycle goes from love-bombing to devaluing and, eventually, discarding.

Your instincts are rock solid. You intended to keep your knowledge of his affair to yourself because you knew precisely how we would work on you: and he has proved you right. You recognised The Script. The above cycle of love-bombing to 'discard' is another variation on the script. The cycle will repeat itself. This will continue happening, ad nauseam, for as long as you stay. Trust yourself, OP. You were right - about all of it - so far. You're also right that this will be your life if you stay. Cut to that part right now, and you'll save yourself a whole world of grief. There is no future to be had - none - with a personality like this unless you sacrifice everything of yourself in the process, ending up as a hollowed-out shell.

I'm sorry that you too have found yourself embroiled in a relationship with such a destructive man. Final point: he won't change. They never do. Flowers

Edited

OP I completely agree with @SerafinasGoose that he’s sensed a change in you. You’ve become stronger and clearer, and that shift changes the dynamic. Stay strong, you can do this 💪🏻💪🏻. He doesn’t deserve you!

NescafeAndIce · 14/06/2025 13:49

OP: a few posters are questioning why your husband has decided to come clean now, specifically. Your own posting history answers that question very clearly.

Well yes, she's said it's because the OW threatened to tell OP and their workplace.

Rh0dedenr0n · 14/06/2025 14:07

EmmaThompsonsTears · 14/06/2025 00:18

Thank you @GiantSaucepan and thank you everyone for reminding me to stay angry.

everyorn’s right: he only confessed because OW threatened to tell me and their workplace.

DH and MIL showed up today and tried to convince me to not do anything in haste. I (wrongly) took that to mean “don’t divorce him” and “stop being angry because it’s creating a bad atmosphere for the kids” and “don’t put his career at risk because it won’t be good for you or the kids” and I absolutely LOST MY SHIT. Shouted at him about the audacity to ask me to be reasonable and not put his career at risk over HIS actions.
Yelled that it wasn’t even about the affair or the OW, it was about all the abuse he put me through, and I absolutely wanted MIL to hear all the details of that

Still, I told him if he wanted me to be reasonable he’d have to give me full access to his phone so I could go in with my eyes open. Because last time he begged to have me back, he was doing the exact same thing with OW behind my back, and I had to be aware so I wouldn’t fall for his manipulative shit again.
had a good look through his phone (lots of nauseating stuff which made it clear that the affair was very much instigated by him) and then someone finally asked ME what I want.
i said I want a good night’s sleep, and then I want to file for divorce. I want to sell the house and coparent here together until then, but I will never forgive him or I’d be a mug. And the kids would learn that that’s how you treat women.
meanwhile STBexH (delighted to be using that acronym!) promised to go to counselling and have a total personality transplant now he’s seen the error of his ways. I have next to no faith that this will happen, but hopefully he’ll be a better father just for having a bit of therapy and admitting fault.
the point is that I no longer know or care if he’s buttering me up and telling me what I want to hear in order to worm his way back into my good books - because we’re divorcing, and it doesn’t matter. All I can see ahead is freedom.
and then we had a very good chat about what i want re coparenting and the boundaries around that

ill say it again: hes done me a huge favor, doing this. I never would have left for just the abuse, because I internalised it so much and it was so insidious, it wasn’t easy to define as abuse. But cheating is impossible to internalise. The cheating made him irredeemably a prick. I inarguably deserve better. The end.

and I’ll say this again: anger is a gift. It showed me that someone was attempting to mess with my boundaries. It was right. I’m not out of the woods yet, but I WILL get what I want. And what I want, always, is what’s best for the kids.

thank you all for helping me not to take my eye off the ball, and to see through the bullshit. You’re heroes and I hope this thread hopes somebody else one day too ❤️

Every Time a woman finds the strength to do what you are doing, and shares it here,
it encourages more and more to do the same. X

Francestein · 14/06/2025 14:11

I’m going to be blunt. A lot of his current behaviour is not about you or the kids, it’s about saving face. He is deeply ashamed and isn’t man enough to be accountable. He doesn’t want public perception of him to be a lying, cheating prick.
Use it to your favour. The guiltier he feels, the better things are for you. If you want anything legal signed, do it before he gets angry.

Stigsmother · 14/06/2025 14:37

Stay strong 💪 OP

SerafinasGoose · 14/06/2025 14:39

NescafeAndIce · 14/06/2025 13:49

OP: a few posters are questioning why your husband has decided to come clean now, specifically. Your own posting history answers that question very clearly.

Well yes, she's said it's because the OW threatened to tell OP and their workplace.

Edited

I missed that. It's a long thread. Clearly his hand was forced, then, but this doesn't invalidate any observation of his behaviour toward OP when he sensed that she was distancing herself from him.

The last update is brilliant. They are showing you exactly who they are, OP - including those attempting to gaslight you again by minimising his hideous behaviour - and you have paid them the compliment of believing them. All power to you.

ButItWasNotYourFaultButMine · 14/06/2025 14:56

You are amazing and strong, OP. Your children are lucky to have such a great role model in their loves; you're showing them how to stand up for themselves and to demand respect for themselves.

teenmaw · 14/06/2025 15:15

Thank goodness op, stay strong

readingupsidedown · 14/06/2025 15:51

Op, omg well done. You absolute rock star. I’ve been following you all week and am so glad you’re putting yourself and kids first. Bravo. I felt proper teary reading your update. There will be happy times for you again, especially free of that excuse for a man.

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 14/06/2025 16:17

NescafeAndIce · 14/06/2025 13:49

OP: a few posters are questioning why your husband has decided to come clean now, specifically. Your own posting history answers that question very clearly.

Well yes, she's said it's because the OW threatened to tell OP and their workplace.

Edited

I thought the OW had no idea OP
even existed as the husband never mentioned her in his messages to
OW, only ever spoke about the kids. And he never wore a wedding ring. And they're long distance.

JFDIYOLO · 14/06/2025 16:42

Congratulations, OP

👏🌟👏🌟👏🌟👏🌟👏🌟

(His actual Mummy?!)

And now ...

👉Follow the money - because he will be going all out to hide it, siphon it, manipulate it. Mr Sneaky will be scrabbling away behind the scenes.

Get financial and legal advice in place.

👉Beware the storytelling - take control of the narrative, and ensure the truth is told. Not the lies he will manufacture to hide it, minimise it, re-tell it behind your back. Mr Nasty will be in overdrive.

Tell what he did - and how it hurt you.

Lmnop22 · 14/06/2025 17:02

EmmaThompsonsTears · 01/06/2025 18:54

I think I’m still in shock to be honest. I’m moving between righteous anger, worry about the future, sadness, and weirdly - elation.

he has gaslit me for months. I’m in therapy trying to sort out some of the patterns of behaviour he said were ruining our relationship. If I didn’t do minor life admin tasks exactly as he’d decided they should be done, I heard no end of it. I’ve been constantly treading on eggshells, doing my best to stop doing the little things that were annoying him. But he constantly moved the goalposts and I couldn’t do anything right.

now I know why it’s lit a fire in my belly. This isn’t my fault. I don’t deserve this. I’m not responsible for the breakdown of our relationship, like he led me to believe. He is.

it’s oddly liberating. I’m not a terrible person after all. He is.

My ex and father to my two similarly aged children to yours has an affair whilst I was pregnant and god does this description just absolutely sum up how life was before I knew about the affair but after he’d already checked out.

Boomer55 · 14/06/2025 17:07

Moonlightexpress · 02/06/2025 09:34

You can hide money. Its not impossible.

It’s more and more difficult, if you use any banks etc in the UK.🤷‍♀️

AguNwaanyi · 14/06/2025 18:31

EmmaThompsonsTears · 14/06/2025 00:18

Thank you @GiantSaucepan and thank you everyone for reminding me to stay angry.

everyorn’s right: he only confessed because OW threatened to tell me and their workplace.

DH and MIL showed up today and tried to convince me to not do anything in haste. I (wrongly) took that to mean “don’t divorce him” and “stop being angry because it’s creating a bad atmosphere for the kids” and “don’t put his career at risk because it won’t be good for you or the kids” and I absolutely LOST MY SHIT. Shouted at him about the audacity to ask me to be reasonable and not put his career at risk over HIS actions.
Yelled that it wasn’t even about the affair or the OW, it was about all the abuse he put me through, and I absolutely wanted MIL to hear all the details of that

Still, I told him if he wanted me to be reasonable he’d have to give me full access to his phone so I could go in with my eyes open. Because last time he begged to have me back, he was doing the exact same thing with OW behind my back, and I had to be aware so I wouldn’t fall for his manipulative shit again.
had a good look through his phone (lots of nauseating stuff which made it clear that the affair was very much instigated by him) and then someone finally asked ME what I want.
i said I want a good night’s sleep, and then I want to file for divorce. I want to sell the house and coparent here together until then, but I will never forgive him or I’d be a mug. And the kids would learn that that’s how you treat women.
meanwhile STBexH (delighted to be using that acronym!) promised to go to counselling and have a total personality transplant now he’s seen the error of his ways. I have next to no faith that this will happen, but hopefully he’ll be a better father just for having a bit of therapy and admitting fault.
the point is that I no longer know or care if he’s buttering me up and telling me what I want to hear in order to worm his way back into my good books - because we’re divorcing, and it doesn’t matter. All I can see ahead is freedom.
and then we had a very good chat about what i want re coparenting and the boundaries around that

ill say it again: hes done me a huge favor, doing this. I never would have left for just the abuse, because I internalised it so much and it was so insidious, it wasn’t easy to define as abuse. But cheating is impossible to internalise. The cheating made him irredeemably a prick. I inarguably deserve better. The end.

and I’ll say this again: anger is a gift. It showed me that someone was attempting to mess with my boundaries. It was right. I’m not out of the woods yet, but I WILL get what I want. And what I want, always, is what’s best for the kids.

thank you all for helping me not to take my eye off the ball, and to see through the bullshit. You’re heroes and I hope this thread hopes somebody else one day too ❤️

What do you mean you wrongly mistook their meaning about not acting in haste? Were they not trying to convince you not to divorce?

But well done OP you are liberated of his hold! It sounds like MIL knew what he had done when she came over with him so now you know where you stand with her. Hopefully he can become a decent co-parent but that will likely take a lot of time as he will know doubt go through the motions of self pity, or the ow takes him back and he becomes distracted again.

RedLeicesterRedLeicester · 14/06/2025 19:31

EmmaThompsonsTears · 14/06/2025 00:18

Thank you @GiantSaucepan and thank you everyone for reminding me to stay angry.

everyorn’s right: he only confessed because OW threatened to tell me and their workplace.

DH and MIL showed up today and tried to convince me to not do anything in haste. I (wrongly) took that to mean “don’t divorce him” and “stop being angry because it’s creating a bad atmosphere for the kids” and “don’t put his career at risk because it won’t be good for you or the kids” and I absolutely LOST MY SHIT. Shouted at him about the audacity to ask me to be reasonable and not put his career at risk over HIS actions.
Yelled that it wasn’t even about the affair or the OW, it was about all the abuse he put me through, and I absolutely wanted MIL to hear all the details of that

Still, I told him if he wanted me to be reasonable he’d have to give me full access to his phone so I could go in with my eyes open. Because last time he begged to have me back, he was doing the exact same thing with OW behind my back, and I had to be aware so I wouldn’t fall for his manipulative shit again.
had a good look through his phone (lots of nauseating stuff which made it clear that the affair was very much instigated by him) and then someone finally asked ME what I want.
i said I want a good night’s sleep, and then I want to file for divorce. I want to sell the house and coparent here together until then, but I will never forgive him or I’d be a mug. And the kids would learn that that’s how you treat women.
meanwhile STBexH (delighted to be using that acronym!) promised to go to counselling and have a total personality transplant now he’s seen the error of his ways. I have next to no faith that this will happen, but hopefully he’ll be a better father just for having a bit of therapy and admitting fault.
the point is that I no longer know or care if he’s buttering me up and telling me what I want to hear in order to worm his way back into my good books - because we’re divorcing, and it doesn’t matter. All I can see ahead is freedom.
and then we had a very good chat about what i want re coparenting and the boundaries around that

ill say it again: hes done me a huge favor, doing this. I never would have left for just the abuse, because I internalised it so much and it was so insidious, it wasn’t easy to define as abuse. But cheating is impossible to internalise. The cheating made him irredeemably a prick. I inarguably deserve better. The end.

and I’ll say this again: anger is a gift. It showed me that someone was attempting to mess with my boundaries. It was right. I’m not out of the woods yet, but I WILL get what I want. And what I want, always, is what’s best for the kids.

thank you all for helping me not to take my eye off the ball, and to see through the bullshit. You’re heroes and I hope this thread hopes somebody else one day too ❤️

Please file now. It will give you the upper hand as you will determine when the divorce is complete. If he files he could complete before your finances are agreed which could put you in a difficult position.

My ExH found out about our divorce because I used the joint account to pay for it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Gotta laugh

SlightlyJaded · 14/06/2025 19:46

👏👏👏
BRAVO!

Given his past behaviour and your inability (no judgement) to walk away from the marriage based 'only' on his abusive behaviour, he has done you a massive favour in being a cheating prick.

And now, you have a whole, new shiny life just waiting for you.

NescafeAndIce · 14/06/2025 19:59

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 14/06/2025 16:17

I thought the OW had no idea OP
even existed as the husband never mentioned her in his messages to
OW, only ever spoke about the kids. And he never wore a wedding ring. And they're long distance.

Edited

I think he couldn't hide the fact that he had been on a family holiday and the OW woke up? Would have been interesting to read THOSE messages...

OP do start a new thread, your writing is really good to read (although obviously we all wish you didn't need to write it! )

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