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Husband didn't tell me his BIL is a convicted child sex offender

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DearBee · 22/03/2025 09:41

We have a young DD (toddler).

The conviction was a few years ago- shortly before we met. DH said he was too ashamed to tell me. Online child sex offences.

DD has been in his (BIL) company occasionally - never alone - at family occasions. DH has said he would never put her at risk. Apparently he is not allowed unsupervised contact with children (obviously!).

I feel like I had a right to know given I am her mother. I would have wanted to make a different decision, and would not have allowed DD in his company at all - ever.

I feel like this is a massive betrayal.

I am reconsidering our marriage, tbh.

He never actually told me the truth - I found out from someone else.

I don't know what I am looking for from this thread. I just feel so betrayed and don't know if/how I can trust him again.

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LurkyMcLurkinson · 22/03/2025 10:27

This is a massive betrayal. As a starting point I’d want to explore more about how he arrived at his decision making. Does he believe his bil committed the offence? What level of risk does he think he poses to your children? If he does believe he’s a risk why does he think it’s ok your bil has access to your children, even if supervised? Why does he want to continue having a relationship with his bil? What steps did he take to protect your children when bil was present? Why didn’t he tell you? The answers to these questions would largely inform my next steps. For example if he doesn’t think he poses a risk and minimises the crime I wouldn’t be able to stay. If he does however see the risk, never let the kids out of his sight when he’s present, has minimal contact with bil as he’s worried about his sister and recognises he’s committed a huge betrayal and is highly apologetic, I would consider going to couple’s counselling.

MattCauthon · 22/03/2025 10:27

DearBee · 22/03/2025 10:24

She has. They don't have kids before anyone asks. I don't know how she manages to sleep next to him at night. I feel sorry for her but also disgusted with her choices.

Oh, i can understand it. If you read some of the news articles around the Huw Edwards etc cases.... these men have a MILLION excuses. "Oh, I had a tough childhood" "I didn't realise it was so bad" "I thought it was just AI" "Pete sent me stuff and I just didn't delete it"

For me, the irony of such statements is that even if they ARE true, I find it mindblowing that these men think that it makes it okay. But then, you hear about partners, families, friends and even judges who say, "well, yes, ok, fair enough...." so....

Oneflightdown · 22/03/2025 10:27

My MIL apparently asked him not to tell me. And he listened to her, which I am seriously unimpressed with, but also unimpressed with her.

Oh my. That'd be the end of my relationship with her then. She'll risk your child's safety to maintain her "nice normal middle class family" image. I'd be no contact with the lot of them. Crazy people. Quite how to achieve that while remaining married is a bit of a question though.

ChiliFiend · 22/03/2025 10:28

That is a massive betrayal - you were fully entitled to that information and it was also really important that you knew it, so that any choices you made about having your daughter in his company were made with informed consent. That choice was taken away from you - he doesn't get to be the one to decide that it's ok as long as they're not alone together. What else will he withhold from you in future, because he doesn't see you as an equal decision maker in your marriage? I would be reconsidering your life with him, and I don't say that lightly on here.

S0CKPUPPET · 22/03/2025 10:28

I can understand why you are devastated . Your husband has lied to you by omission and put his own feelings ( of shame / embarrassment) above your child’s safety.

Im afraid it’s wrong to say that your child was never at risk. The only type of supervision that would be safe for a child would be if there was one supervising adult whose job it was to sit in the room / follow your BIL about the house , watching him at all times. Also the child should not be in physical contact with him, for example, sitting on his knee or hugging him. That’s the only way that you can say your child was safe.

But of course that’s not what happens in a normal family situation, children and adults move around from one room to another. It’s very easy for an adult to slip out of the room to go to the bathroom, the kitchen for a drink, outside for a cigarette et cetera, and be alone with a child.

I know of several situations where a child was sexually abused by a friend / family member / trusted adult while they were supposedly supervised and never alone with the children.

One was a dad when who went on play dates with his child and other mums and took photos of the children in public places like parks and cafes.

One was a mid teen boy who sexually abused the Dd of family friends when he and his parents visited her family home . This happened many times over years. No he wasn’t up in her bedroom with her, of course that would have aroused suspicion. He just seized the opportunity when they were alone in the kitchen or playing board games in the living room in full view of adults.

Another was a man who was a leader in a youth organisation and no of course he was never alone with the children as per the organisations policy. Except of course he snuck out from the group and managed to be alone with young people in the bathrooms / sleeping accommodation on residential holidays.

This man was convicted of multiple offences and aftre the trial, one of his ( now teenaged ) victims who had testified against him took his own life.

When I was about 12 - 13 years old, we had a “family friend “ who visited our home weekly . He would arrive about 5pm and sit in the living room chatting to my mother and I and waiting for my father to come home from work so he could talk to him . When my mother left the room to make him a cup of tea, he used to order me to come and sit on his lap, otherwise he would tell my mother that I had been extremely rude to him. I didn’t do it and made excuses to avoid him (like homework ). But the threat was very real as my parents would have believed him and not me and punished me severely for such wicked lies. I was very scared of him.

I know of a crèche worker who abused toddlers sitting on his lap in a room full of other adults and children.

I know these examples are horrible and shocking . But I want to convey to you OP and to the rather naive people on this thread that no contact between a sex offender and children is safe for the child.They are very clever, devious and plausible people who will find a way to get what they want.

Your husband and his family have put your child at risk and will go on to put other children at risk. They have done this because they care about your brother-in-law‘s feelings more than the safety of children. It’s also possible that they don’t believe that he was guilty. Or that they cling onto the belief that men who abuse children online won’t do it in person. Or that those who abuse strangers children wouldn’t do it to their own family.

Needless to say, all of these beliefs are wrong.

Daleksatemyshed · 22/03/2025 10:30

That's really difficult Op, I can understand why your trust in your DH has been dented. If his sister didn't leave her DH over the offences I'd find it hard to trust her too, she's swept it under the carpet and the family have joined in to keep her happy. He didn't tell you so it wouldn't be awkward when you saw his family but he needs to put you and your DC first.
You need to set some very strict boundaries around this Op but I don't know how you get the trust back

Carseathelp · 22/03/2025 10:30

DearBee · 22/03/2025 10:24

I keep asking myself the same thing. They are a bit... odd. I just didn't realise this would translate to something like this. It all seems to have been hushed up into some weird 'keep the middle class image' thing.

My MIL apparently asked him not to tell me. And he listened to her, which I am seriously unimpressed with, but also unimpressed with her.

I wouldn’t be letting PIL have anything other than very closely observed access to your child. No going to play in the garden without you there.

BigDeepBreaths · 22/03/2025 10:31

Please sit your DH down and explain to him he is PART OF THE PROBLEM.

His silence protects only the offender and puts other children at risk. Sure, its not his crime and not his shame but please please explain that other men turning a blind eye/ignoring/pretending other mens behaviour is not their problem, is the very reason why his own DD os growing up in a society where men are a very real threat to her.

Whyherewego · 22/03/2025 10:31

DearBee · 22/03/2025 09:58

His sister... it's his sister's husband. But yes, exactly. I feel like he was prioritising preserving the wider family and not rocking the boat, and this was put above... my child's safety, and the trust that should exist in our marriage. It's such an awful feeling.

DH said he was too ashamed to tell you.

No matter how justified your anger is, you need to consider why he was ashamed to tell you. This is also a reflection on the state of the communication between you. And his level of comfort in discussing difficult things with you.

It may be that DH was protecting his family but if I take what he said st face value, then it's more about how good the lines of communication are between you and I think I'd want to be getting under the skin of that. It may be worth looking at couples counselling.

I was unable to share details of SA and other things with my ex as he was very judgy and I felt ashamed. This ultimately led to the breakdown of our marriage. I'm not saying this is the case her and clearly there's a safeguarding point. Just a slightly different perspective to consider

Boreded · 22/03/2025 10:38

Time for a family meeting. Talk it through, work out what is proclivities are (if he likes teen boys then a toddler girl isn’t going to be as big of an issue for example)

make sure they know how hurt you are that this wasn’t explained to you, as you are part of the family and should have had this information a) before marrying your husband, and b) before having a child so that you could make an informed decision about when, where, and with who to do that.

then establish rules around when your in-laws can have access to your child, because it is very important that you be able to trust that they will follow your rules if you choose no contact with bil.

its a tough one, but I don’t think you can get to the bottom of it without having an open conversation with everyone including the bil

Oneflightdown · 22/03/2025 10:40

I think what your husband needs to recognise is firstly that your child's safety is absolutely paramount. It's more important that his feelings or his mother's wishes or his relationships with his other family members.

As a parent he needs to choose his child over and above everything else. If he needs to lose the rest of his family to keep his child safe then that is what he needs to do (and it seems that is indeed what he needs to do, since his family comprises minimum one paedophile with the remainder apparently a bunch of enablers and apologists).

So the first question is about his behaviour as a parent. And the second is about his failure as a husband. He will need to face up to both of these. And to think all of this could have been avoided if he had sat you down before you got engaged and explained the situation to you so that you could have gone into it with your eyes wide open (perhaps agreeing that BIL would have no contact with your future children, for example, and rules about keeping them off social media and not sending any photos to any of his family members etc.), or indeed chosen not to marry him at all.

Thus the two problems: him taking away your right to make choices about your own life and that of your children, and him risking your child's safety because his mummy asked him to lie to you.

Ineedcoffee2021 · 22/03/2025 10:52

It all seems to have been hushed up into some weird 'keep the middle class image' thing.
My MIL apparently asked him not to tell me. And he listened to her, which I am seriously unimpressed with, but also unimpressed with her
Yuck - vile woman
I would now be NC with her, she has lost access to your kid and if your DH dont like it he can get lost
She cant be trusted with kids as much as BIL

She has. They don't have kids before anyone asks. I don't know how she manages to sleep next to him at night. I feel sorry for her but also disgusted with her choices.

And her too - NC too
Staying with a pedo is just eww

Its just a given DH has to go NC with his brother - no ifs or buts

Hollietree · 22/03/2025 10:52

What a shock for you, I so feel for you right now. This would absolutely floor me.

I would never want my child or I to see BIL, SIL, MIL or FIL again. Obvious reasons for the BIL. But the other three are (1) happy to continue close relationships with a paedophile and (2) would put their own self image above the safety of their young relatives.

I think I would have to tell them all that it’s a simple choice - If you choose to remain in a relationship/family with a known paedophile then you choose to never be around my children or I.

I would include husband in this too. If he continues to have any contact whatsoever with BIL then you cannot be in a relationship with him.

It is absolutely possible for children to be abused in plain sight. I know a lady who had suspicions about her FIL. She secretly filmed on her phone under the table in a restaurant and he was touching her child under the table, with all the family sat round the table, in a busy restaurant.

Mumofteenandtween · 22/03/2025 10:53

@S0CKPUPPET has explained very well how easy it is for someone who is determined to abuse a child to do so even whilst being supervised. Especially if the “supervising” people don’t actually know that there is an abuser in their midst.

However, there is a second risk from letting your child spend time with an abuser. Which is the message that you are sending to the child about the safety of the adult. Every time your child sees you (their trusted adults) with Uncle Bob they get the message “Uncle Bob is safe. Uncle Bob is not a stranger.” Right now your child is tiny and so is always looked after by an adult. But in a few (scarily short!) years they will be walking home from school alone and maybe playing outside with friends and you won’t be watching them every second.

That is normal and healthy. And by then you and school will have drummed “stranger danger” into them. But if Nice Uncle Bob turns up and explains that everyone is going to McDonalds for tea and so he needs to pick them up then they will get into Uncle Bob’s car. And when Uncle Bob does something that they don’t like but tell them that it is ok then they will believe him. Because Uncle Bob is safe.

Except he isn’t.

SuspiciousChipmunk · 22/03/2025 10:56

DH has said he would never put her at risk.

He did that by putting your child in the same room as this man and hiding the conviction.

Sound like the whole family are in on hiding it or normalising these kind of offences.

My child wouldn’t be near anyone who hid a sex offender’s conviction from me.

Naunet · 22/03/2025 10:57

I don't think I could ever forgive this. I'm so sorry he's put you in this position, I'm not sure I'd want my child around any of his family seeing as they've prioritised a paedophile.

Onlyvisiting · 22/03/2025 10:57

I don't know if I would end the marriage over this but it would be bloody close
I would never choose to spend time in the company of child sex offender, and would never give them access to my child.
By presenting him as an uncle in his child's life he is making them a safe person in her eyes.
He hasn't put your daughter at direct risk currently, but I'd have a hard time forgiving him for not cutting the BIL out of his life permanently and loudly.
How close are you? As in- if he is willing meeting socially I'd be livid, if theyblive the other end of the country and cross paths at weddings and funerals only I'd maybe be more forgiving.

WindmillOfBones · 22/03/2025 11:01

Neither your MIL or DH seem to realise how child abuse works.
1.By having BIL in their house, they are saying to DD he's a safe person. So when she's older and out alone and she bumps into her dear uncle, what happens then?

  1. As someone who was abused while in the same room as other people, it happens - you being there makes little difference.
  2. They are also saying they don't care about his conviction for CSA, it's not important to them. Do they not realise how difficult it is to get a conviction?
  3. MIL asked your DH to lie to you. Again, not ok, but it wasn't over how many slices of cake she'd eaten, it was about introducing you to someone who enjoys sexual abuse of children.

I'd be fuelled by rage if I were you @DearBee

Topjoe19 · 22/03/2025 11:04

I feel utterly sick for you. Your DH has let you down by participating in this cover up. Sickening.

lunar1 · 22/03/2025 11:07

I think after splitting up with my husband after this, I would have to ensure my child knew that BIL was a dangerous man, and teach her to use her voice, you need to know if she is still exposed to him after you separate. I can’t think of another way to safeguard her.

Onlyvisiting · 22/03/2025 11:07

WindmillOfBones · 22/03/2025 11:01

Neither your MIL or DH seem to realise how child abuse works.
1.By having BIL in their house, they are saying to DD he's a safe person. So when she's older and out alone and she bumps into her dear uncle, what happens then?

  1. As someone who was abused while in the same room as other people, it happens - you being there makes little difference.
  2. They are also saying they don't care about his conviction for CSA, it's not important to them. Do they not realise how difficult it is to get a conviction?
  3. MIL asked your DH to lie to you. Again, not ok, but it wasn't over how many slices of cake she'd eaten, it was about introducing you to someone who enjoys sexual abuse of children.

I'd be fuelled by rage if I were you @DearBee

This, exactly! Expressed much better than I could.
Op, I just saw your update re MIL.
I might forgive but I wouldn't forget, I would not trust your daughter in the care of any if your inlaws ever again, if they aren't disgusted enough by child abuse to cut him out of their lives then their sense of right and wrong is broken and I could not trust them to protect a child in their care.

By hushing this up they are condoning it.

And as a purely pragmatic point of view, I'd work on forgiving your DH provided he agrees new rigid boundaries, if only because if you split and he has custody them his family's access is out of your hands, and put up with a lot in a marriage to not risk that.

caringcarer · 22/03/2025 11:09

I can't get my head around why your DH would want to spend any time ever with a paedophile. I'd tell DH I'd not file for divorce on condition we as a family spend no time with this vile man ever. He can see his sister without seeing his bil. I'd make him choose over this.

caringcarer · 22/03/2025 11:12

I've just seen your update. I'd make him categorically agree to not taking DC anywhere near MiL or sister either. He can see them alone. Also I'd not be spending any time with MiL or Sister in law either.

whathaveiforgotten · 22/03/2025 11:19

DenholmElliot11 · 22/03/2025 09:54

I can understand how he was ashamed. Your child was never at risk.

I totally understand you're hurting I really do, but please do talk to your husband and try to work through this. It's a challenge, I know, but these things come in our lives and we have to deal with them looking at the big picture and as best we can.

Talk to him.

Their child has been taught that this man is a safe adult to be around, by very virtue of being around him in a family environment with their other safe people. Their safest people.

Can you see the danger that presents in future?

DearBee · 22/03/2025 11:19

Thank you all for your responses. So much to take in.

To answer a few questions - we live far apart. We do only see them occasionally and I have been there every time since DD was born.

I am not minimising the seriousness of the risk - I never would have allowed her anywhere near him, and she won't be in his company again. Just saying I am as confident as I can be that nothing has actually happened to her. I fully appreciate all the comments about it happening in plain sight - this is why I am so angry.

She has cousins who do still have contact (from my other sister in law) and I don't know what on earth to say about that but I am worried.

The more I am writing this and reading your responses, the more I realise how fucked up this situation really is.

I don't know where to go from here with my DH. That's a whole other part of this. It's almost like two people - who I thought he was. And now this.

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