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Dating a divorcing man

434 replies

Anon645 · 08/02/2025 15:48

Hi,
Just looking for advice /tips. I have been dating a man going through a divorce for the past 4 months. He has expressed romantic feelings for me and we are exclusive. He has kids as do I. He won't call me his girlfriend but tells people we are dating/seeing each other. He has consistently expressed that he needs a slow pace but wants to work towards a proper relationship with me.

He has had two wobbles in the past fortnight about wondering if he is ready for a relationship. He then normally comes around that evening or the next day and says he does like me and have feelings for me , and that he does want to work towards a proper relationship with me but that it will take time. He said he wants to work towards a relationship during this year, but that it will take months most likely.

Last night he had one out of the two aforementioned wobbles that he wasn't sure if he was ready for a relationship and he didn't feel the best version of himself. He said a relationship is the last thing on his mind currently atm but that he does want one with me eventually. This morning he has said he likes me and has feelings for me and that he doesn't want to lose me.

Any advice? I'm trying to be patient and understanding as I know undergoing proceedings is difficult and daunting . Any tips ?

OP posts:
Anon645 · 13/02/2025 21:23

Treesinthewind · 13/02/2025 19:18

I've been there. The wobbles get worse and more frequent. I would never date a "separated but not divorced" man ever again because it broke my heart so much last time.

What happened, could you expand on the situation ?

OP posts:
TwistedWonder · 13/02/2025 21:24

This is one of those threads that if it was in AIBU and the vote was 99% yes YABU, the OP would fixate on the 1% and cling to those few responses that went against the grain.

Im out now - OP you need to stop acting like a lovesick teenager and concentrate on you children and your own mental health because you’re sounding unhinged now

ExercicenformedeZ · 13/02/2025 21:27

TwistedWonder · 13/02/2025 21:24

This is one of those threads that if it was in AIBU and the vote was 99% yes YABU, the OP would fixate on the 1% and cling to those few responses that went against the grain.

Im out now - OP you need to stop acting like a lovesick teenager and concentrate on you children and your own mental health because you’re sounding unhinged now

Edited

It's no good trying to talk to her. She just ignores any post that mentions her children or suggests that she needs to move on, and twists the words of any other post that gives even a glimmer of hope. The more she goes on, the more I am thinking that this man could smell her desperation and just wanted to back out. I'm not even sure that he will want to keep her on a string, she seems likely to go full Fatal Attraction. It's a little concerning.

Acornsoup · 13/02/2025 21:31

Another way to look at it is this.

It wasn't working for you. You called him out on it and he has responded. He was happy with the status quo but that was all he wanted. He wants a no strings no frills fun time nothing more.

You have set a boundary and you have dodged a bullet OP. Imagine this in another 2 years. You have saved yourself a lot of misery. This was a power move IMO.

It's ok to be sad when you've had a let down. It doesn't mean you will go into a depressive state. Talk to your doctor and get some medication and hopefully some counselling.

I also think given your strong attachment after only 4 months it would be worth you putting your DC and yourself first for a bit.

He has been telling you all along that he just wanted to date. It seems like he was clear on that. He's tried to rein you in twice and ended up calling things off. This doesn't mean I think you should be the 'cool' girl either.

Just be yourself and get on with life. When you are happy and secure someone will appreciate and love you for who you are.

Anon645 · 13/02/2025 21:33

Acornsoup · 13/02/2025 21:31

Another way to look at it is this.

It wasn't working for you. You called him out on it and he has responded. He was happy with the status quo but that was all he wanted. He wants a no strings no frills fun time nothing more.

You have set a boundary and you have dodged a bullet OP. Imagine this in another 2 years. You have saved yourself a lot of misery. This was a power move IMO.

It's ok to be sad when you've had a let down. It doesn't mean you will go into a depressive state. Talk to your doctor and get some medication and hopefully some counselling.

I also think given your strong attachment after only 4 months it would be worth you putting your DC and yourself first for a bit.

He has been telling you all along that he just wanted to date. It seems like he was clear on that. He's tried to rein you in twice and ended up calling things off. This doesn't mean I think you should be the 'cool' girl either.

Just be yourself and get on with life. When you are happy and secure someone will appreciate and love you for who you are.

No he hadn't been telling me all along he just wanted to date, he had said consistently that he wanted a relationship with me and he said for months in his mind thats what we were working towards and laying the foundations for - a relationship ..

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PandaTime · 13/02/2025 21:36

Indeed. If he has an inkling of how intense the OP's feelings are he maybe realises it is not going to be something he can handle. I can't remember it exactly but there's a saying about it being impossible to save someone else from drowning when you are drowning yourself.

Thatsenoughadulting · 13/02/2025 21:38

The chances of you ever rekindling whether you sent that message of not is 0.0001%. He doesn't love you. He's full of shit. It's over. Please get yourself into therapy because your behaviour is highly concerning and over the top. You are quite clearly not mentally stable enough to be entertaining a romantic relationship with anyone. Please get some help for yourself and for your kids sake.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 13/02/2025 21:44

Anon645 · 13/02/2025 21:33

No he hadn't been telling me all along he just wanted to date, he had said consistently that he wanted a relationship with me and he said for months in his mind thats what we were working towards and laying the foundations for - a relationship ..

He was lying, sorry!

Pinkfemme1 · 13/02/2025 21:46

Anon645 · 13/02/2025 21:33

No he hadn't been telling me all along he just wanted to date, he had said consistently that he wanted a relationship with me and he said for months in his mind thats what we were working towards and laying the foundations for - a relationship ..

saying for months that you are 'laying foundations for a relationship' is quite shit don't you think? like am i on some kind of probationary period? like what do i need to do... I think perhaps that made your feelings more intense as you were working on an overdraft to prove your love to him/ prove you're a great match etc.
like other people have said when a guy is into you, he will want you to know and feel secure, so you don't go off and he wouldn't jeopardise this like that...
you obviously value romantic relationships a lot, but not everyone does. you have to accept that he was experiencing things differently and at some point/ points he was already considering that this wasn't what he wanted. it's hard isn't it. at some point hopefully you will see that this opens a light to new possibilities, perhaps there is something even better out there for you.

fraughtcouture · 13/02/2025 21:57

FFS stop obsessing, you sound desperate now and I imagine you will end up throwing yourself at him any time he needs a booty call and clinging to that as you have the limited emotional connection you've had so far.

It's been four months, of him categorically NOT wanting to be bf/gf, actively avoiding any suggestion of a relationship, I'm afraid it's textbook "he's not just that into you"

And why are you avoiding any mention of your children? You've been in bed obsessing and "in pieces,sobbing" all day, in between posting on here about a man who you were never really been involved with. Do you work? Have friends/hobbies you can distract yourself with?

It's like you're talking yourself into this becoming a disastrous depressive episode when really you have agency over your emotions and actions. Why are you letting him have so much power?!

ExercicenformedeZ · 13/02/2025 22:01

fraughtcouture · 13/02/2025 21:57

FFS stop obsessing, you sound desperate now and I imagine you will end up throwing yourself at him any time he needs a booty call and clinging to that as you have the limited emotional connection you've had so far.

It's been four months, of him categorically NOT wanting to be bf/gf, actively avoiding any suggestion of a relationship, I'm afraid it's textbook "he's not just that into you"

And why are you avoiding any mention of your children? You've been in bed obsessing and "in pieces,sobbing" all day, in between posting on here about a man who you were never really been involved with. Do you work? Have friends/hobbies you can distract yourself with?

It's like you're talking yourself into this becoming a disastrous depressive episode when really you have agency over your emotions and actions. Why are you letting him have so much power?!

It's so frustrating to read, isn't it? I also feel awful for the OP's poor kids. Doesn't she see how unfair it is on them to be wallowing in this way as if she was eighteen years old!?

penelopelondon · 13/02/2025 22:08

Anon645 · 13/02/2025 21:33

No he hadn't been telling me all along he just wanted to date, he had said consistently that he wanted a relationship with me and he said for months in his mind thats what we were working towards and laying the foundations for - a relationship ..

It's called "dangling the carrot" and it's the oldest male trick in the book: "let me dangle the relationship carrot every now and them as to keep you interested so you give me all the GF benefits while staying on your best behaviour. In the meanwhile I'll keep love bombing and telling how much of a soulmates we are and how perfect for each other (just not perfect enough to call you my GF ).

This guy has masters degree in female psychology.

stealthninjamum · 13/02/2025 22:13

Op I think when people said that ending with him would be the best way to rekindle that was before he finished with you. Once he finished with you, you shouldn’t have said you loved him and been so needy.

The crucial thing I would try to remember is that he finished it after you had said you’d stop the sex.

i think you’ve probably at best hooked up with a very damaged man and at worst been manipulated and used by a player. Some men are good at telling you what they think you want to hear to get sex.

I think you have had a lucky escape by having the most recent conversation about commitment. You set some boundaries. It didn’t end well - but if you hadn’t set those boundaries you could still be here in a year’s time with a man who still hadn’t committed to you and an extra year of your mental health being destroyed.

TagSplashMaverick · 13/02/2025 22:20

Blimey OP. I really wish I could shake you and make you see…

He’s telling you you’re amazing because he’s so relieved he’s off the hook, and totally scott-free. He’s had his cake and eaten it for a few months as a nice distraction from the heartbreak of divorce, now doesn’t have to deal with you anymore after you clearly asked for more, because you handed him a generous ‘out’ and he pounced on it. Not only that, you’ve made it patently clear you’re utterly infatuated so he gets a huge ego boost, and your kindness in telling him he doesn’t need to contact you unless he’s ‘ready’ means he doesn’t even have to feel guilty…

He’s played a blinder, as far as he’s concerned.

This sounds so so harsh, and it’s not meant to be, but I do hope it acts as a wake up to what is really happening here.

It’s been four months and I really, really want you to value yourself and keep your head up, more than this silly man. If he really cared, nothing would stop him.

northernlight20 · 13/02/2025 22:21

You need help op, this is extremely far from normal. I’m out, everyone advising you is wasting their time. If tone deaf was a person, that person would be you, ridiculous.

SholaA · 13/02/2025 22:24

Anon645 · 13/02/2025 21:33

No he hadn't been telling me all along he just wanted to date, he had said consistently that he wanted a relationship with me and he said for months in his mind thats what we were working towards and laying the foundations for - a relationship ..

Men tell you whatever you need to hear to allow them to get in your pants. Don't believe everything a man tells you, they are lying bastards.

ExercicenformedeZ · 13/02/2025 22:26

SholaA · 13/02/2025 22:24

Men tell you whatever you need to hear to allow them to get in your pants. Don't believe everything a man tells you, they are lying bastards.

And some women are so naive that they are a complete gift to said bastards. It doesn't make it right, but it is annoying to see. Fool me once......

Millyjanice · 13/02/2025 22:27

Anon645 · 13/02/2025 10:31

I've said to him he needs to feel my absence and if he misses me we can meet and talk , but if we doesn't then we won't.

The trouble is, he’ll confuse “missing sex”
with “ missing you”

Sorry but you need to take your power back and don’t give him the option of seeing you again.

If he really misses you, don’t make it easy for him . Make him jump through hoops and battle it out.

He made the decision to break up with you. The consequence of that has to be he doesn’t get to see you again. No communication and being blocked for at least a year. His choice,OP.
He can’t break up with you and continue to string you along, preventing you from moving on.

So he should absolutely not get to see you just because he’s missing you !

Otherwise you’ll become an easy option again for him and he will be getting the best of both worlds … seeing you with absolutely no commitment at all.

If he’s keen on you, he’ll find you and ask you to be his gf.

Pinkfemme1 · 13/02/2025 22:37

you know i was just thinking there should be like a daughter test... would you want your daughter to be in that kind of relationship...if your daughter came to you and said mum, let me introduce you to this man, we;ve been going out for 4 months and he told me 'we are laying foundations for a relationship', would you be like 'that's great darling, can't wait to meet him'? fuck no! if she was above 25, you would probably be like wtf, what does this even mean.... you would want her to be with someone who is sure about her and would be very affirmative etc.

don't feel bad though OP and ignore the harsh comments, it literally just happened, you have the right to feel needy, desperate and all those intense emotions. good luck with everything...

Munnygirl · 13/02/2025 23:29

Anon645 · 13/02/2025 21:00

This is pretty much the exact text I sent. Do you think this is the best chance of us rekindling ?

No and you have to get a grip. He isn’t coming back to you. You were only dating for 4 months.Move on

2JFDIYOLO · 14/02/2025 00:28

He wanted a nice no strings bit of fun. He wasn't laying foundations for a relationship; he was just laying you. He said enough to get what he wanted.

I know you said you haven't been intense - but with this level of intensity you've shown today it must have been simmering just below the surface. I think he's had just enough glimpses of it to back away.

That 'you're amazing' message - that was his 'oh thank goodness she's let me go' relief showing.

Please get some help.

Where are the children today?

Namechanged4obviousreasons · 14/02/2025 00:42

I think he’s the one that has dodged a bullet. He has ended things, made it incredibly clear that he doesn’t want you or love you, that he will not be contacting you and still you’re hanging round like a stalker. This is not normal. He has told you it’s done and you must respect that. He will be focussing on himself and his children now, which is what you should be doing.

Get some serious help with your mental health before dating again. This level of attachment isn’t normal and you are not ready to date whilst you have these issues. It’s not fair to expect anyone to be your everything or to not let you down or not change their mind because it may bring on an episode. That’s on you to sort. Think of your poor kids who love you unconditionally and show them the affection and attention you are happy to throw willy nilly at a man you barely know.

Uol2022 · 14/02/2025 01:00

Anon645 · 13/02/2025 21:00

This is pretty much the exact text I sent. Do you think this is the best chance of us rekindling ?

I don’t know because I don’t know the people involved or the situation fully. I understand that you came here for advice but surely you realise that the advice then has to be filtered through your own knowledge and understanding, and your actions are ultimately your own responsibility?

But I will try to answer your question and explain my thinking a bit.

when I made the earlier post you had already said you’d broken up. It seemed you had already pushed for a relationship label and he had said no and pulled away. From that position, my feeling was and is that he needs the pressure off and that continuing to insist on bf/gf label right now would simply increase his panic. Obviously I’m guessing from limited evidence, but that is my take on it.

I was intentionally vague in my post about time scales and intentionally leaving the door open for either of you to re establish some kind of contract when it feels good to do so.

He had been clear that the label is a problem. I don’t know why, it sounds like fear of commitment and protecting himself. It seems that he attaches significant importance to the role of boyfriend and maybe is aware he doesn’t have the emotional capacity to fulfill that role. His closeness to you was sometimes making him panic and pull back, and that triggered something for you that made you also panic.

From what you’ve told us, I’m reasonably sure that continuing to push to be bf/gf would have driven him away and been painful for both of you. There was an option for you to put up with the lack of commitment / label and accept the status quo, but that would involve a serious cost for you. By the time you’d already pushed it and he’d already broken up with you I don’t see a good way to backtrack anyway, at that point yes I think the best chance for a future friendship and maybe relationship is to say okay, you’re not ready, I hear that and I love you enough to give you the space you need. From his replies it sounds as if the message you sent was well received. Ending on good terms rather than an argument is definitely a positive if you’re hoping to reconnect later.

I know it will be very painful to back away now. Be hopeful for a friendship, in time, if that helps you, but please don’t waste your real life dreaming of a big romance. If you live nearby or have friends in common your paths may cross again. If you have hobbies in common it’s likely that eventually there will be some reason for a “saw this and thought of you” type of message. You’ve agreed to back away because you were hurting each other, and you’ve both left it with positive feelings about the other. For now you do need to move on and concentrate on other things, but yes I think this way leaves the door open to start again in the future.

As a final comment, I have been the person coming out of a marriage and into a new relationship while still very messed up. It hurt my new partner much more than I realised at the time. I have also been the person waiting for another to commit, choosing to take uncomfortable risks with my own life while he made up his mind. That hurt me more than he realised. I don’t generally agree with the idea that people have to first sort themselves out alone and then they’re ready for a relationship, I think we sort ourselves out within relationship and with the support and love of others. However, if you have opposing needs and insecurities and fears it can become draining and damaging and even toxic. Then space is a positive.

I hope the two of you will reconnect, and I hope that in the meantime you are able to move your focus elsewhere and be open to other people and opportunities (not only romantic!)

Anon645 · 14/02/2025 07:19

He didn't break up with me...? I sent him the text telling him I loved and cared for him and to contact me when be feels better...
If anything it's more I broke up with him surely ? (Although I didn't want to do if, I didn't want to breakup and j don't see it as a breakup in my head, more of giving space for a while )

But yeah im confused why the odd couple of people have said he broke up with me when it was me that sent that text ?

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WomenInConstruction · 14/02/2025 07:24

@Anon645 no need to be confused this is your story and your facts, those people have just misread.

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