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Feeling Shocked After a Big Argument With My Parents

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Sticksandstones79 · 07/02/2025 22:39

Sorry it's a long one.

I’m not really sure what I want from this post, but I’ve just had a huge argument with my parents and ended up leaving their house with my 4-year-old daughter. I’m 44 and still in a bit of shock.

I’ve always thought of my family as close, but we’ve also always been loud and argumentative. My dad and I have very similar personalities, and we tend to clash. He often criticizes me, saying I’m rude, awful, or ungrateful. I’m not perfect, but I do call him out when I think he’s being rude or short-tempered, which he hates. He can also be quite rude to my mum, and while she will bicker with him, if I point out the same behavior, she tells me I’m being difficult or disrespectful.

My parents live abroad for half the year and spend the other half two hours away from me. I’m a single parent, and over the past couple of years, they’ve helped me a lot - financially with childcare and practically with moving house. I’ve always been grateful, sending thank-you cards, thoughtful gifts, and inviting them for meals and visits. I try my best to show appreciation, but our family has never been great at talking about emotions. Their love language is practical help, but emotional support has always been lacking. I think that’s given me insecurities, but overall, I know I’m very lucky to have them. And they have always been there for me.

Life has been incredibly stressful for me the past two weeks, with work pressures and waiting for biopsy results for a lump (which, thankfully, turned out to be benign). My mum knew about it but forgot to ask about the results because she was focused on her sick dog. She was happy for me when I told her, but it stung a little that she hadn’t remembered.

This weekend, I was supposed to stay with them, so I drove two hours in rush hour traffic and heavy rain with my daughter. When we arrived, they were excited to see her, but she was a little quiet and withdrawn. My dad immediately huffed, then started following her around. At one point, I heard her say, “Leave me alone,” so I gently called out, “Dad, just give her a little space.”

That’s when everything kicked off. My dad muttered under his breath about me, “She hasn’t even been here five minutes and she’s starting again.” I replied, “Dad, there’s no need to react like that, I’m just asking you to give her a bit of space.” He then stormed past me and snapped, “Stupid girl!”

It was so awkward. My mum immediately turned on me, saying, “Why did you have to be like that with your father?”

I told her I didn’t appreciate the way he spoke to me, but instead of acknowledging it, she dismissed it completely. She even insisted that he never called me a “stupid girl” and that I was making it up. The conversation escalated as I stuck up for myself and they started telling me I was ungrateful and that I must hate them.

At that point, I decided to leave. The atmosphere felt toxic and I didn’t want to stay in that environment with my daughter. As I was packing, my dad suddenly softened and asked, “Are you sure you want to leave?” I calmly said yes because I didn’t want any more arguments.

Then my mum went straight back on the defensive, saying, “Well, I’m not going to argue.” They’re in their mid-70s, and now I feel awful.

Aside from my relationship with my parents, my friendships and work relationships are healthy. I don’t have these kinds of conflicts with other people. But with my parents, I often feel like they think they can say whatever they like to me, yet if I call them out on it or express that I’m hurt, I’m labeled as difficult or ungrateful. They also play the “After everything we do for you, you must really hate us” card, which just leaves me feeling guilty and awful as I do rely on them for some financial help.

Now, my dad has essentially said he wants to cut me off. I feel like a terrible person like I must be an awful daughter if my own parents want to walk away from me. But at the same time, I don’t think it’s fair to be spoken to like that, and I just don’t know what to do next. I’d hate to lose them over this, but I also feel I need some boundaries. I feel because they give me financial support I’m still seen as their small child. I guess that IS what happens when you find yourself my age relying on help from parents.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this? How do you handle parents who help you practically but make you feel emotionally drained? Please believe me I am so grateful for their help and don't want to come across as a spoilt brat, but I just don’t like the way they speak to me or I’m not allowed to say things regarding my daughter. Hope that all makes sense, it’s a long ramble.

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stayathomegardener · 07/02/2025 22:59

Well done for standing up for your daughter.
I think the question you need to ask yourself is can you survive without their support?
If yes then boundaries can be reset, if not you are going to have to tolerate them going forward as a trade off.

Purplecatshopaholic · 07/02/2025 23:06

They see you as a child as to some extent you still are as they are supporting you financially. If you can afford to stop taking that support then you can probably move onto a more adult footing but if you can’t, you may have to suck it up. From their POV I would imagine, they are supporting you and you are coming over and being rude and ungrateful..

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 07/02/2025 23:09

Your dad started following your dd around and got huffy when you said leave her be? This is such weird behaviour on his part. Well done for standing up to him. Your dd isn't a performing monkey.

They sound really controlling. And rude. And easy to dislike.

I would keep my distance from now on even when this row blows over.

speakball · 08/02/2025 08:20

you are coming over and being rude and ungrateful

Are you one of the parents?

OP you’ve been groomed to tolerate abuse. You know the unwritten rules. He can behave how he wants at all times and discussions about it are never allowed to happen. Your behaviour on the other hand will be scrutinised and pathologised. Especially your natural responses to his abuse.

I liken trying to exist in these families to positional asphyxiation. You’re held in place by beliefs put on you as a small child. Beliefs like ‘Dad is allowed to harm me’. It would be a good idea to think about therapy op because you’re dealing with tenacious ideas that were forced on you a long time ago.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 08/02/2025 08:29

It's really hard for you because you are a single parent, you are looking for emotional support from them and they are just not the people to do it.

I bet before you had your child you would have had a thicker skin about their horrid comments, it goes deeper now as you are vulnerable.

I had to keep my distance from my mum when I was a single parent, she belittled me and was throughly awful, but this was no different to my childhood it just felt worse as I was vulnerable.

Please don't let they make you feel bad about yourself, they are emotionally manipulating you and trying to get you to lower your boundaries and expectations of their behaviour.

I feel for you ! I got my emotional support from my friends and totally expected nothing from my family.

Sticksandstones79 · 08/02/2025 08:36

Thanks for all the responses.

I am in no way perfect, but also think it's ok to be upset about called a stupid girl at the age of 42. I think what upset me the most was the gaslighting of my mother. Now I'm a mother to a little girl myself, I can't ever imagine doing that to her... even as an adult. My parents love language is 100% practical (money or helping do things) which I thought I also appreciated but obviously not.

Thanks @speakball it feels exactly like this. I'm so confused as other than being 100% happy and positive, then I'm always creating a problem. In the summer my brother's
Family and I went to stay with them. I was actually out at the time, but my bro and sis in law had an argument with my mum because she'd taken a toy away from my little nephew whilst he ate (he had a melt down as you'd expect, my mum took it personally and my bro and sis in law were annoyed and my sister in law called her out) apparently
It got heated. Later on the (what I thought was an enjoyable holiday) I was told by my dad my behaviour needed to change and I've really been upsetting my mum and causing her chest pains. Again, I was upset as I didn't realise I had done anything wrong and shocked my adult mother couldn't tell me herself I upset her. I said it felt like I was a scapegoat for her being annoyed that my sister in law called her out. Again, huge argument and accusations of 'it's pretty
Obvious you hate us.' I never thought I'd be in this position especially at their age. But just writing it down, it does seem very toxic xxxx

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/02/2025 08:37

I am so very sorry you lucked out in the parents stakes. It is not your fault they are like this and you did not make them that way either.

Well done too for enforcing a boundary and leaving with your child when you did. These toxic people were not good parents to you when you were growing up and they have not fundamentally changed. Their "look at what we did for yo" attitude is so very typical as well.

Your parents are the rude and ungrateful ones here (not you) and in the meantime you are trying and failing to deal with your fear, obligation and guilt that they installed in you. Please consider seeking therapy and at the very least read Toxic Parents by Susan Forward.

They've previously given you financial support but have lacked and continue to lack in any form of emotional support. They both feel that you 'owe' them for doing this and they are both emotionally manipulative. Your mother is very much her husband's enabler and she's not above trying to gaslight you either. They both get what they want out of this codependent relationship with each other and will stay together. If he wants to cut you off it saves you from doing it. He'd be doing you a service in doing so.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 08/02/2025 08:38

That does sound toxic can you lean on your brother and sil for socialising and family support?

SpringBunnyHopHop · 08/02/2025 08:38

Stand your ground and leave them in silence for a bit.

Sticksandstones79 · 08/02/2025 08:40

Oh @Bigpaintinglittlepainting thanks so much for your response. I don't think the argument would have even happened if I didn't have my daughter. Or I would have ignored it, but I was brought up to be a people pleaser and it hasn't served me well, so I won't expect my daughter to be the same. Weirdly, if my
Daughter isn't friendly to them (as toddlers are) I get remarks that I've turned her against them (from as far back as she was 2)! It's insane that they think I must hate them that much that I'd turn my small child against them.

The more I'm writing the more ridiculous it sounds. I think I'm going to have to try and find other sources of finance as well as
Work to get out of this cycle. I had a bit of breakdown last year (I have zero support around my as a single parent so sure you can relate and just broke down)! My work life balance is better and they helped this happen but their behaviour is not OK. Thanks for your reply, it really means a lot from a fellow single mum who relates xxx

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IDontHateRainbows · 08/02/2025 08:40

I have parents like this, we've been estranged for over a year now and it's only recently I've acknowledged/ accepted the their behavior as abusive. Sometimes you can't see it until you're out of it.

Octavia64 · 08/02/2025 08:41

Hmm.

You say that you and your dad both have similar personalities and are loud and clash.

You also say that you call out their rude behaviour.

I'll be honest, to me this sounds more like you are both quite abrasive personalities. Calling out anyone is quite a rude thing to do full stop - many people especially in this country choose to put some distance instead .

You are quite within your rights not to see them again. Your Dad in particular does sound quite difficult.

But you should in that case stop accepting their financial and other help.

You are either standing on your own two feet or you are not.

Sticksandstones79 · 08/02/2025 08:43

@AttilaTheMeerkat thank you this is such a good breakdown. Sadly I can't afford therapy (god knows I need it haha) but I did have it years ago and felt very bad saying anything negative about my parents. We have had some good times etc! It's never got this far as to walk out so it will be interesting to see if they reach out to me.

As you mention, it's the emotional support I've always lacked. Something which I think is important. But I guess I have always got the financial/physical support mixed up xxx

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/02/2025 08:44

Im not at all surprised they kicked off on holiday. Your mother behaved badly towards your brother and SIL and they were right to say what they did to her. Typical though of your toxic parents to blame you and without any surprise the (previously unknown) chest pain in her was wheeled out. It's just so predictable and designed to control you.

What if anything do you know about your parents own childhoods because that often gives clues.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/02/2025 08:49

People pleasing behaviour often arises from wanting to please difficult or otherwise absent parents OP. There is plenty of information online about people pleasing and how to combat it. It needs addressing because people pleasing is not good for you.

Abusers are not nasty all the time but their nice/nasty cycle is a continuous one.
That's what you've been on the receiving end of all these years too.

You've been trained and otherwise programmed not to say anything bad about your parents though they are not backward in coming forwards to say how 'bad" you apparently are towards them.

NAPAC are also worth contacting here and their services are free to users.

Sticksandstones79 · 08/02/2025 08:50

@AttilaTheMeerkat this is all so, so helpful. Thank you. I really appreciate you taking them time to reply and share the resources xxx

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WhatTheKey · 08/02/2025 08:50

I think that as difficult as this is, you need to sever yourself from them financially. It all sounds a bit enmeshed and confused and your dad sounds like he holds a bit of resentment for the fact that he's still paying for you. TBH, I don't know how healthy is is anyway, in any family, to be relying on your parents so heavily. Getting rid of that dependency would probably ease a lot of the underlying tension. Is that a possibility for you?

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 08/02/2025 08:51

Sticksandstones79 · 08/02/2025 08:40

Oh @Bigpaintinglittlepainting thanks so much for your response. I don't think the argument would have even happened if I didn't have my daughter. Or I would have ignored it, but I was brought up to be a people pleaser and it hasn't served me well, so I won't expect my daughter to be the same. Weirdly, if my
Daughter isn't friendly to them (as toddlers are) I get remarks that I've turned her against them (from as far back as she was 2)! It's insane that they think I must hate them that much that I'd turn my small child against them.

The more I'm writing the more ridiculous it sounds. I think I'm going to have to try and find other sources of finance as well as
Work to get out of this cycle. I had a bit of breakdown last year (I have zero support around my as a single parent so sure you can relate and just broke down)! My work life balance is better and they helped this happen but their behaviour is not OK. Thanks for your reply, it really means a lot from a fellow single mum who relates xxx

I'm not a single mum anymore but I remember all too well what it was like, no one can understand how lonely it can be and scary to have responsibility for providing everything.

Right at the time when it's the hardest to provide! Look your parents have helped you and it came with strings attached, it's okay to say I accepted their help and now their behaviour is not right. It doesn't mean you don't appreciate what they did, it's classic toxic behaviour to make you feel guilty and use money to control you. I have had exactly the same.

I would reach out to your brother and sil for family support and find other people who can be nice !

You can have a low contact relationship with your parents and put up boundaries, protect yourself and your mental health.

SlapTheMelon · 08/02/2025 08:53

Many things are said in the heat of the moment. My relationship with my parents is the same as yours. I can't stand people on MN who read one or two anecdotes and declare ti's abuse and advise to cut ties. I don't think they know what abuse really looks like and I can't wait when their DC write about them here. No parent is perfect!

You said yourself, your parents are loving outside the argument. Yes stand up for your daughter but accept arguments happen and parents are not perfect. They are not going to be here forever.

We tend to be nicer and people pleasing with friends and colleagues sadly though they are not the people who really love us unconditionally.

Sticksandstones79 · 08/02/2025 08:56

@WhatTheKey yes! It's not ideal. It's not something I wanted to do but circumstances and having a child at full time childcare and working full time on one middle salary is where it has been hard. It's only to September and then they start school. So I am happy to get in debt for that. Such a big background story, ultimately they have helped but need to find alternatives (and not entitled to any government help)

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Sherararara · 08/02/2025 08:56

Why was your dad “following your daughter around” to the point she had to tell him to back off?

Sticksandstones79 · 08/02/2025 08:57

@SlapTheMelon I'm more of a people pleaser towards family. I don't tolerate toxic relationships in other relationships. Totally appreciate your point of view.

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TriathlonTriathlonTriathlon · 08/02/2025 09:03

They sound terrible Op, I’m estranged from my parents and honestly it’s just so much more peaceful.
Mine were worse than this though, if on balance they add more to your life than take away, could you try a conversation when everyone is calm?

Your dad’s behaviour is bloody strange though, to escalate so quickly over something by so minor and resort to personal attacks.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/02/2025 09:03

OP

Seriously consider getting therapy for your people pleasing behaviours because that has come about from wanting to please your awful sounding parents. People pleasing is not a healthy behaviour and people like your parents use it to their advantage. Your dad and mum frankly are both as bad as one another and their relationship is a toxic codependent one.

I would also keep your DD well away from them going forward. Better to have no grandparents in her life rather than ones like yours are.

How do you get along with your brother these days?. Can you find some solidarity with him?. How was he treated by your parents at home?.

BadSkiingMum · 08/02/2025 09:05

I am sorry that this has happened as conflict is horrible, but I think you need to move your relationship onto a new basis. To be honest, reading your post, it felt like the relationship of a much younger adult with their parents, whereas you are in your forties and fully established in adulthood.

It needs to be much more ‘It’s been lovely to catch up’ than all the stress, aggravation and emotional heat. Your parents seem quite volatile but really try to keep the conversation to factual matters and sharing news rather than giving any opening for it to descend into ‘You always do X…’. Take everything down several emotional levels.

A very simple step that you can take is not to stay at their home. Stay in a Travelodge nearby. Restaurant meals and visits to places of interest are also preferable as you have something else to focus on, rather than just sitting around and falling back into old patterns.

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