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How to navigate bad bonus with DH

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gollyimholly · 07/02/2025 05:26

Sorry for such a long post, but I am hoping it is relevant context. Also sorry if this is more relevant in the money section but my question really is on how to navigate emotions more than anything.

I am a SAHM (our only DC is nearly 2 years old). Before DC was born, I was not planning on being a SAHM but maternity leave was stressful due to DC being in a hospital (with a particular illness she has but is generally ok now thankfully ie. she does not need any special support or care) and I am a far more anxious person than I realised. Neither DH nor I felt happy about daycare and I realised even after finding the perfect nanny, I just couldn't bring myself to leave DC. DH was very supportive of whichever I chose in terms of returning to work or staying with DC. I was very grateful to be able to stay home with DC and still am. Since being married (5 years this year), DH and I have shared finances completely and so it didn't feel like that much was going to be different for me.

However, whilst I was pregnant, DH had two job offers. We both jointly chose the job he went with but ultimately it was the wrong decision. It was the wrong decision for two reasons:

  • it isn't the job DH has always worked in but a role that uses his skills instead (eg. surgeon moves into a company to advise on medical decisions) and so because it was so different to what his usual day at the office was he struggled to feel useful or someone that had any gravitas or importance.
  • its earning potential is based on bonuses more than anything (it isn't anything dodgy and the company is a household name internationally). The base is half what he usually would be on and from a pure numbers perspective he felt he had failed completely.

Before he received the offers, DH was redundant for about a year. He worked abroad before the pandemic and after the pandemic the company was taken over by another company and brought in all their own people at C-level and so DH couldn't stay. During his year of redundancy he worked in a contracting role (less well paid than both job offers) whilst looking for his appropriate position. It is not easy to find DH's role in the UK at the salary he was being paid abroad.

Given the redundancy, the contracting role and then choosing the wrong job, DH has been feeling really awful about himself and that he's not doing well career-wise.

Yesterday, he received information on what his bonus is for this year (it is the first full year he has worked in this role) and so the first real picture of the bonus. We've both realised how tricky it is to plan life around an unknown bonus and have been waiting for clarity with this year's bonus. And it is shockingly low. DH feels awful. I don't want to say anything negative to him at all and add to how he is feeling. Previous to today we really would be very joint in all conversations including his work and he would consider my opinions equally. Also previously to today, we have been weighing up another job offer but even though it's well paid, it's abroad (UAE) and we aren't feeling very keen about uprooting our young and growing family away from our "village" so far away. My immediate feelings to the bonus are quite crestfallen and also nervous re.finances and would like for DH to job hunt and find something more in line with what he was used to before the redundancy. But it will take A LOT of effort and being on the ball. DH's reaction is to double down on the UAE job offer as he thinks it's now the only way he can recoup all the losses of the past few years.

I want to tell him that he needs to start looking, and looking really seriously, for a UK based role. Neither of us really want to move abroad. If that was me, and it was my job, that's what I would do. But DH feels like he isn't going to get better than the UAE role. The problem here is that, it isn't me looking for a job for myself. I need to be the emotional support whilst he is feeling rubbish and nervous, but I also feel the same. But I don't feel like I can really express that because I think it would just make DH feel even worse about himself. And yes, I can of course go back to work myself (and I don't plan on being a SAHM always) but we are both very happy with me looking after DC for now.

I suppose my question is, how do I be supportive and encourage DH that we need to look harder in the UK, express that we can't live in limbo like we have been because we're pinning too much on an unknown without making him feel even worse.

Sorry this is so unbelievably long. I think I'm part using MN to express my own anxiety but hoping for any advice to how to be more supportive. I feel like we've both messed up and DH's once sparkling career has been really destroyed by a bunch of bad decisions over the last few years. This is something he himself feels but I try not to say I agree because he feels so terrible about how far down a snake he's fallen.

OP posts:
BoldAmberDuck · 09/02/2025 14:58

gollyimholly · 09/02/2025 10:25

Mortified that it sounds like English isn't my first language! I often don't proof read and am quickly typing out responses when I can 😬 no cultural pressures.

We do both enjoy life and all it's little moments. It's been a tricky couple of years (bad birth, house move, unwell child) but we're stronger together for it and happy with each other and our family.

DC shouldn't always need medical attention, they're just keeping an eye on her with a view to give us the all clear within the early years.

I would like to work again, just not yet.

I have always wanted a big family and small age gaps and so I feel the clock is ticking but I am aware of my MH and I go back and forth on it. DH is supportive either way.

I want something low stress that allows me to be a present parent.

When taking this sales role, DH said he would only stay if the money was worth it. So he always knew he'd look for something else if it didn't live up to expectations.

You sound very intelligent. Surely there’s a WFH job you can find that fits in with the family, will be low wages but will keep u in the workplace. 101 always need callhandlers and after a few weeks training you can work from home

Mirabai · 09/02/2025 17:13

gollyimholly · 09/02/2025 10:25

Mortified that it sounds like English isn't my first language! I often don't proof read and am quickly typing out responses when I can 😬 no cultural pressures.

We do both enjoy life and all it's little moments. It's been a tricky couple of years (bad birth, house move, unwell child) but we're stronger together for it and happy with each other and our family.

DC shouldn't always need medical attention, they're just keeping an eye on her with a view to give us the all clear within the early years.

I would like to work again, just not yet.

I have always wanted a big family and small age gaps and so I feel the clock is ticking but I am aware of my MH and I go back and forth on it. DH is supportive either way.

I want something low stress that allows me to be a present parent.

When taking this sales role, DH said he would only stay if the money was worth it. So he always knew he'd look for something else if it didn't live up to expectations.

I’d ignore that if I were you I think was passive/aggressive rather than genuine. That poster’s own grasp of English doesn’t run to knowing that at a solicitor is a lawyer, and that a junior role in the city doesn’t mean you’re aiming for director of finance.

Oblomov25 · 09/02/2025 17:28

@Mirabai
It wasn't passive aggressive at all. I also missed her post about being junior. Don't be a twat @Mirabai.

Oblomov25 · 09/02/2025 17:44

She did say she had a PhD.

Mirabai · 09/02/2025 19:23

Oblomov25 · 09/02/2025 17:28

@Mirabai
It wasn't passive aggressive at all. I also missed her post about being junior. Don't be a twat @Mirabai.

And that’s just aggressive. Don’t swear at me.

Oblomov25 · 09/02/2025 19:25

It isn't a swear word.

Kisskiss · 09/02/2025 19:27

gollyimholly · 07/02/2025 16:25

I do have LinkedIn and I have a PhD. I will think very carefully before doing yet another postgrad degree as I want it to be worth it and exactly what I need it for.

I do understand what the repercussions are in taking time out of work and it wasn't a decision I took lightly. It was actually really tough. But it also made sense. I was at career crossroads myself anyway and, like I said, I do feel very privileged to have this dedicated time with DD.

Edited

Out of interest ( purely interest), given your academic achievement and your dh’s earning ability, why don’t you want to work?
I feel in the uk sometimes women cannot afford to work, as their wage would be consumed by childcare costs or their husbands wage could not support the cost of help, but this is not your situation.
he is in a high wage career and you could be too given your background?

Mirabai · 09/02/2025 20:11

Oblomov25 · 09/02/2025 19:25

It isn't a swear word.

Enough.

Lyraloo · 13/02/2025 20:44

Rafting2022 · 07/02/2025 05:46

I think you need to get a job to make the perceived shortfall. Poor bloke having that level of expectation on him.

I absolutely agree with this, it was interesting you said you didn’t want to say anything negative to him at the moment! Why would you say anything negative when he’s been working hard and trying his best to support you all while you’re at home by choice. Maybe if you got a job it would take the pressure off him and he wouldn’t need to go to the UAE. You said you’re worried about finances, there’s an easy solution!!!

gollyimholly · 16/02/2025 01:06

Just wanted to update you guys.
The UAE offer has been retracted. No reason given but DH suspects it's because he took too long getting back to them about various things they requested eg. a healthy check. He's relieved the decision was made for him as now he's said how much he wanted to stay in the UK anyway and the offer wasn't wow enough to make the move an easy decision. He's been in touch with a bunch of recruiters today so fingers crossed.

OP posts:
friendlycat · 16/02/2025 01:18

Good update. It’s fate. I hope you can both move forward from this and that your DH can move forward with something that suits him.

gollyimholly · 16/02/2025 01:21

gollyimholly · 16/02/2025 01:06

Just wanted to update you guys.
The UAE offer has been retracted. No reason given but DH suspects it's because he took too long getting back to them about various things they requested eg. a healthy check. He's relieved the decision was made for him as now he's said how much he wanted to stay in the UK anyway and the offer wasn't wow enough to make the move an easy decision. He's been in touch with a bunch of recruiters today so fingers crossed.

*health check not healthy check

OP posts:
thislittlepiggyy · 16/02/2025 01:30

Have you been looking for jobs op?

Sounds like you are the one who needs to go to work.

Ferrazzuoli · 16/02/2025 07:52

Maybe a blessing in disguise. Good luck to DH with his job search.

rookiemere · 16/02/2025 08:07

I'm glad the UAE job is off the cards, but I am still flabbergasted by how likely it was that you would all have been uprooted despite nobody particularly wanting to go, just because his ego was dented.

I would seriously be looking at work yourself OP - I know you said you were going to. Even something part time and non professional would help to give you a psychological and financial boost. It worries me that your whole family is tied up in one salary, as you've discovered it's fine when all is going well, less so if it's not.

Marieb19 · 16/02/2025 08:27

Most people have made a bad career or job choice at some point. It may be a dent to the ego but it is not a colossal failure. You have to decide if your dh's career aspirations and your lifestyle matter more to you than where you live.

Arrivederla · 16/02/2025 09:35

Thanks for the update op - I hope things work out well for you and your family going forwards.

Oh, and ignore the comments from people who haven't bothered to read the full thread!

Zone2NorthLondon · 16/02/2025 10:11

There are communication issues to address as manifested by his indecisive dithering to compel the employer to withdraw the offer. Withdraw an offer he really didn’t want? Well in that case he should have been able to communicate his preference. I’m presuming he’s not usually disorganised and slow in in his responses
Is he stressed? For his own wellbeing he needs to reflect what he actually wants, and be proactive for that. He is the sole wage earner whose identity is aligned to big salary and job title, that is a lot of pressure

Zone2NorthLondon · 16/02/2025 10:33

You really need to think about planning return to work. Ok UAE offer withdrawn but you’re still wholly dependent upon him where you live etc. You didn’t make an active choice, the UAE choice was made for you as a result of his inaction.

what if he next offer is also away from where you live now? a big enough salary that he will relocate for. Essentially where you live, lifestyle, day to day is all about him,his job. His career decisions

Begin to future plan and take steps to getting work and something for yourself that isn’t solely being mum. Something for you, that doesn’t solely pivot around being mum and partner. Your daughter can go to nursery, soon she’ll start school she’ll get more independent and that’ll be your opportunity to work.
The dream flexi hour wfh job with no commute is somewhat unrealistic, so try plan what is achievable

Any childcare costs arising from you working would be shared, it’s a family cost that is borne by both. Not a cost solely for you from any wages

GoldenSunflowers · 16/02/2025 12:26

Good luck, OP. This is a period of introspection and turmoil for your family, I hope you find a good path, even if it’s treading water while looking for something else. The hurt and rancour about bonus size will diminish over time.

OVienna · 17/02/2025 13:50

BigSkies2022 · 07/02/2025 17:51

OP, I don't know if this is relevant to your situation, and whether you are too tied in to your existing household income/what kind of financial buffer you have, etc -but: a friend of mine was trying for some time to get made a partner in a magic circle firm, and it wasn't happening. So he decided to join with two other, similarly situated solicitors, and set up their own practice in London. Ten years on, they have merged with a firm in the US, and have an international practice, corporate clients (mostly financial sector), employ 50 people, earn extremely well and he is looking to retire in his mid-50's, having made a huge amount of money.

I guess the point is, my friend decided to pursue his own path and leverage his skills and experience to make his own future, and determine his own worth, rather than waiting for validation from the senior partners. Perhaps your husband might profitably consider this sort of route?

As others have said, lots of people hit this point mid-career. Maybe UAE is a good move now, maybe not. But could he be persuaded to take a longer term, more strategic view of where he wants to be, what he wants from his career, and how he can best bring that about for himself? At the moment he seems to be hanging out waiting for approval (albeit in a very C suite context!), and then having a tantrum when it doesn't come. Perhaps his own practice might be more satisfying and secure?

If the OPs husband doesn't like selling this is exactly the last thing he should do.

I am in a professional services role which lends itself to people setting up on their own. If you haven't made MD/Partner in your existing company because you aren't selling enough to be considered for this sort of promotion chances are you won't do it on your own with no brand etc.

From what the OP has said, I hope the DH runs back in house. But there will be many such opps, he needn't go to the UAE to find one.

OVienna · 17/02/2025 13:51

Yes, there is a possibility there's some weird political vibe going on which was to your friends' disadvantage @BigSkies2022 in their firm and meant they'd succeed on their own. But the @gollyimholly DH doesn't like sales roles.

Mirabai · 17/02/2025 15:02

gollyimholly · 16/02/2025 01:06

Just wanted to update you guys.
The UAE offer has been retracted. No reason given but DH suspects it's because he took too long getting back to them about various things they requested eg. a healthy check. He's relieved the decision was made for him as now he's said how much he wanted to stay in the UK anyway and the offer wasn't wow enough to make the move an easy decision. He's been in touch with a bunch of recruiters today so fingers crossed.

Really good luck to both of you.

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