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How to navigate bad bonus with DH

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gollyimholly · 07/02/2025 05:26

Sorry for such a long post, but I am hoping it is relevant context. Also sorry if this is more relevant in the money section but my question really is on how to navigate emotions more than anything.

I am a SAHM (our only DC is nearly 2 years old). Before DC was born, I was not planning on being a SAHM but maternity leave was stressful due to DC being in a hospital (with a particular illness she has but is generally ok now thankfully ie. she does not need any special support or care) and I am a far more anxious person than I realised. Neither DH nor I felt happy about daycare and I realised even after finding the perfect nanny, I just couldn't bring myself to leave DC. DH was very supportive of whichever I chose in terms of returning to work or staying with DC. I was very grateful to be able to stay home with DC and still am. Since being married (5 years this year), DH and I have shared finances completely and so it didn't feel like that much was going to be different for me.

However, whilst I was pregnant, DH had two job offers. We both jointly chose the job he went with but ultimately it was the wrong decision. It was the wrong decision for two reasons:

  • it isn't the job DH has always worked in but a role that uses his skills instead (eg. surgeon moves into a company to advise on medical decisions) and so because it was so different to what his usual day at the office was he struggled to feel useful or someone that had any gravitas or importance.
  • its earning potential is based on bonuses more than anything (it isn't anything dodgy and the company is a household name internationally). The base is half what he usually would be on and from a pure numbers perspective he felt he had failed completely.

Before he received the offers, DH was redundant for about a year. He worked abroad before the pandemic and after the pandemic the company was taken over by another company and brought in all their own people at C-level and so DH couldn't stay. During his year of redundancy he worked in a contracting role (less well paid than both job offers) whilst looking for his appropriate position. It is not easy to find DH's role in the UK at the salary he was being paid abroad.

Given the redundancy, the contracting role and then choosing the wrong job, DH has been feeling really awful about himself and that he's not doing well career-wise.

Yesterday, he received information on what his bonus is for this year (it is the first full year he has worked in this role) and so the first real picture of the bonus. We've both realised how tricky it is to plan life around an unknown bonus and have been waiting for clarity with this year's bonus. And it is shockingly low. DH feels awful. I don't want to say anything negative to him at all and add to how he is feeling. Previous to today we really would be very joint in all conversations including his work and he would consider my opinions equally. Also previously to today, we have been weighing up another job offer but even though it's well paid, it's abroad (UAE) and we aren't feeling very keen about uprooting our young and growing family away from our "village" so far away. My immediate feelings to the bonus are quite crestfallen and also nervous re.finances and would like for DH to job hunt and find something more in line with what he was used to before the redundancy. But it will take A LOT of effort and being on the ball. DH's reaction is to double down on the UAE job offer as he thinks it's now the only way he can recoup all the losses of the past few years.

I want to tell him that he needs to start looking, and looking really seriously, for a UK based role. Neither of us really want to move abroad. If that was me, and it was my job, that's what I would do. But DH feels like he isn't going to get better than the UAE role. The problem here is that, it isn't me looking for a job for myself. I need to be the emotional support whilst he is feeling rubbish and nervous, but I also feel the same. But I don't feel like I can really express that because I think it would just make DH feel even worse about himself. And yes, I can of course go back to work myself (and I don't plan on being a SAHM always) but we are both very happy with me looking after DC for now.

I suppose my question is, how do I be supportive and encourage DH that we need to look harder in the UK, express that we can't live in limbo like we have been because we're pinning too much on an unknown without making him feel even worse.

Sorry this is so unbelievably long. I think I'm part using MN to express my own anxiety but hoping for any advice to how to be more supportive. I feel like we've both messed up and DH's once sparkling career has been really destroyed by a bunch of bad decisions over the last few years. This is something he himself feels but I try not to say I agree because he feels so terrible about how far down a snake he's fallen.

OP posts:
category12 · 07/02/2025 05:39

I think you need to be honest and just say that the UAE is a no-go. I don't know why there's this apparent shame or blame about his current job not matching up to what was hoped. Maybe he needs mental health support?

You guys managed on the contracting so he could go back to that, or just stay in the position he is in until the right opportunity comes along in the UK.

Rafting2022 · 07/02/2025 05:46

I think you need to get a job to make the perceived shortfall. Poor bloke having that level of expectation on him.

MayaPinion · 07/02/2025 05:46

Could he go to UAE and then look for another job from there? At least that way he’s doing what he’s a specialist in and for the salary he wants. You could stay here and visit for extended periods.

category12 · 07/02/2025 05:49

And yes, I think you should go back to work yourself, at least part-time, to take some of the pressure off him. As if he has a breakdown, it'll be far worse for your family.

Pamspeople · 07/02/2025 05:52

You're allowed to be clear that you don't want to move the family abroad, OP. You're a partnership, you make decisions together. Uprooting everything is a huge decision and you need to be clear that it's not what you want. Maybe you both need some time to get over your disappointment as well. And take some pressure off him earning more, if you're already comfortable.

gollyimholly · 07/02/2025 05:53

category12 · 07/02/2025 05:39

I think you need to be honest and just say that the UAE is a no-go. I don't know why there's this apparent shame or blame about his current job not matching up to what was hoped. Maybe he needs mental health support?

You guys managed on the contracting so he could go back to that, or just stay in the position he is in until the right opportunity comes along in the UK.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read and reply, I really appreciate it. I think the shame is because it's not quite the role he's always done and wasn't really his career trajectory. He took it because it was preferable to the contracting role and thought the money would be better. He has translated doing a job he wasn't supposed to be doing and step down in salary as failing.

I think staying in the role and still hunting is a good suggestion. It is my impression though that the kind of role he would like gets recruited via either recruiter or through your network and not explicitly advertised on a job board. And with respect to his network, he has really shrunk away since the redundancy as he also feels embarrassed by that.

I don't think you're wrong re mental health. This is probably the first time in his life that DH has "failed" and he's taken it really badly. He was straight As, Oxbridge, prestigious companies etc and is not dealing with a setback with confidence. I really feel for him and cannot get through to him that his CV is great. He feels he is surrounded by high achievers all younger than him and all doing better than him and I wish he wouldn't compare himself so harshly.

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Octavia64 · 07/02/2025 05:53

My ExH worked in a company that had bonuses.

They go to the people who shout most about what they are doing and the people they think are likely to leave.

It's not a reflection of the work you do.

He doesn't sound like he has the personality you need to be successful in a company like that.

crumpet · 07/02/2025 05:55

it Feels as if the options to relieve pressure are for you to go back to work and stay in the uk or relocate to the uae for a couple of years.

Mumdiva99 · 07/02/2025 05:56

I've never told my husband what job to take. I only offer advice if asked. I support the decision. He made one bad decision which massively impacted us for 10 years. However, it wasn't done deliberately. If he hadn't had the freedom to make it then it would have massively impacted on our relationship. I just supported and things improved. Because at the end of the day I do trust him to make the best decision for the family.
I have offered to move away for work. Hours not flights.

But I refuse to consider retiring abroad. And I think I would be less keen to uproot a young family. However, if it were for a couple of years then consider it. We had a number of friends go abroad for a few years then come back. It was always an adventure and enriching to their careers and lives. When you are only there for a short time people will come and visit too.

I don't know much about the UAE. How easy would love be for you as a western woman. Hoe much freedom would you have to live your life while he's at work? That would impact my decision too.

ClodHoppers · 07/02/2025 05:56

Sounds like he's being realistic about his job opportunities in the UK. The job market is shockingly bad in some sectors. I think you need to listen to him more and if you want more money in the UK, then you will need to go back to work. I can see why he thinks the UAE is viable if he has a good job offer there.

BananaSpanner · 07/02/2025 05:57

Just say you don’t want to move to the UAE. End of.

However, you quickly discount returning to the work place yourself saying you’re both happy with the current arrangement (he doesn’t sound like he’s happy generally) all the while asking us how you can apply more pressure on him to earn more money to support you so you don’t have to go to work or move somewhere you don’t want.

He should look for a job with a more stable income for his own well being but you should strongly consider how you could reduce the burden on him by returning to work.

RobinHeartella · 07/02/2025 05:58

I think the best way you can help him, and the family unit, is by getting some paid work yourself. That will help him much more than any coaching-style conversations.

You're interpreting that he feels like he's failed and it's a dent to his self esteem etc. But it sounds more like straightforward money worries. Being a SAHM is a luxury you can't afford right now

gollyimholly · 07/02/2025 05:59

@Rafting2022
@MayaPinion @category12
Yes, I think I will try and find something part time asap.
@MayaPinion

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ToriTheStoryteller · 07/02/2025 05:59

I'm not criticising your choices, only basing my answer on how I would act knowing my own DH: I would get my own job and find childcare.

DH: doing a job that feels like a mistake, isn't using his skills and isn't paying the bills, which is his responsibility alone. That's a huge burden and it would be an incredible person who could bring their a-game to searching hard for a new job and performing at interviews. He may feel like the UAE job is his only option.

YOU: again, I'm not criticising you, but I couldn't be a SAHM while my DH was going through that if I knew that my getting back into work could take the pressure off, financially and mentally. It could also help your anxiety, I get that it was more about your child/daycare but surely the financial situation now can't be helping your feelings day to day. Can you explore getting help with the anxiety at the same time as starting to look for your own job?

NigelAdjacent · 07/02/2025 06:01

I think you need to deal with your anxieties re leaving your child and go back to work. There’s a lot of pressure on your husband to bring home the bacon and it sounds like moving to UAE is something you don’t want to do - so sharing the earning responsibility might help his MH.

Whyherewego · 07/02/2025 06:01

Candidly I see a fair few senior people trip up at this stage in their career. They are doing well, good salary good progress etc and then make a bad move and is hard to get back on the escalator.
If Im honest looking for another job without the right mindset will not reap rewards. So if he is set on the UAE role, can you get yourself comfortable with it? If it's Dubai, it's very western friendly. Lots of family stuff to do and I don't think it's a terrible option for a few years. Your DC are young and will be fine and you don't have a job right now. There's literally no better time to go.
Once he's done a couple of years and is back in the game then look for stuff in UK.

GoldenSunflowers · 07/02/2025 06:03

I’d rather go back to work in the UK than move abroad and be a SAHM. Unless it was Spain.

RobinHeartella · 07/02/2025 06:03

DH's once sparkling career has been really destroyed by a bunch of bad decisions

To be honest, if I were him I'd feel a bit annoyed that you are commenting on his "bad career decisions" and being disappointed in him, when you don't do any paid work yourself, which seems like the ultimate "bad career decision". Sorry to sound harsh.

gollyimholly · 07/02/2025 06:03

Sorry about my previous post. It would not let me edit out the tagged people.

Thank you all so much for replying.

For those suggesting I go back to work, I think you're all correct completely.. We're both happy with me being with DD but I can completely appreciate me being at work is helpful. I wanted to quickly explain why I perhaps discounted me going back to work so easily. We don't qualify for help with childcare and what I earn is going to be only marginally more than what we pay for childcare. And so I would need to find something much better paid than what I was doing previously. DH is in a better paid sector and much more senior (in career not age!) to me.

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Pamspeople · 07/02/2025 06:05

On the other hand, if his self worth is tied up with "success" in the sense of being high achieving, earning etc, he might feel even worse if you get a job - he might have the view that he should be able to "provide" enough for the whole family. He needs to work through all that stuff because life always brings us disappointments and set backs, and he needs to be able to handle them without feeling a failure. I think some therapy for him is a priority but again I wonder if he will struggle to see that as anything but "weakness".

GoldenSunflowers · 07/02/2025 06:06

Would 2 years abroad help his prospects hugely? When he gets back he’ll still be older than others he’s competing against etc. it sounds like it’s all about the money worries.

gollyimholly · 07/02/2025 06:07

@ToriTheStoryteller and @NigelAdjacent yes, I am having therapy for anxiety and PTSD currently and would love to resolve it.

@ToriTheStoryteller thankfully we are fine with bills. The money "worry" is a pure numbers thing where DH is struggling to accept he isn't making as much as he used to. We are very fortunate otherwise to be able to be comfortable still.

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RobinHeartella · 07/02/2025 06:09

Based on your update, I guess dh earns over 100k. I understand feeling that any contribution you'd make wouldn't help much compared with nursery fees, although I still think it's worth getting a job. Your other option then is to downsize your lifestyle, move to a smaller home to reduce the mortgage for example.

I'd never move with my kids to the UAE so I think yanbu there.

Devon24 · 07/02/2025 06:11

I wouldn’t go back to work if the childcare costs swallow so much if you are able to easily return to your field of work. It’s pointless.

We were offered jobs overseas, and whilst we didn’t accept them for the same reasons as you, I now look back and wish we had. You can make a lot of money in a short period of time and return back to the UK well before your child starts school. It won’t be forever but just an adventure,

If it really isn’t for you, you absolutely must say so clearly and concisely. And rule it out completely.

Yes this isn’t ideal re the bonus, but give him a week or two to recover and then he needs to put a 100% into finding a new job here.

Has he had a meeting to discuss why it was so low? He needs to get out before he is pushed out, so there is urgency now. Enlist recruitment consultants/head hunters etc. Yes it’s a blip but you will recover.

SushiSheep · 07/02/2025 06:12

Absolutely not to the UAE.
Yes to both you and your DH finding better jobs.
Can your "village" not help out until your DC is of school age?