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Frequently negged by partner over my interests/values/intelligence.. why?!

238 replies

springhazsprung · 31/01/2025 13:15

this might sound like a weird one, but I am beginning to get irritated with my dp of around 18 months and I really would appreciate some views on this. I feel like he often says mean things/put downs or negs in normal conversations and I get blindsided or more frequently now, offended and we end up arguing because I don't like feeling put down in this way. Examples would be, eg-

I've always loved movies, tv, pop culture trivia in general including actors/actresses, celebrities, popstars etc. I've been that way since I was a kid and read all the pop mags, I never saw it as a bad thing before more of a thing I do to relax, but he often brings this up in arguments. If I watch a show about 90s boybands, he will bring it up later in a more intellectual conversation saying that my interest is in boybands, his is in (whatever 'serious', scientific or whatever topic we might be discussing). Btw, I went to oxbridge and have a masters degree from UCL while he went to a vocational college, so it feels odd to have my intelligence undermined in this way. He will also say that I have an 'infatuation' with actors or famous men if I go on their wikipedia page after we watch something, even if it's just to see what else they have been in. I haven't had a celeb crush since I was a young teen, I just love that world of media/pop culture. He went in a mood after I took him to see a one man play in London once, because he said I was obviously fascinated with talented men/actors.

if I describe people generally using adjectives like their height, attractiveness, job etc he says I am overly preoccupied with these qualities and he has even said I am shallow before and that I was only with my ex for his salary. I actually was a single mum for years and built up my successful career through a lot of graft, and I've never expected to split expenses more than 50/50- in fact, I helped my ex build up his career to a double pay rise, while taking a cut of my own.

He thinks my interest in true crime is also incredibly vapid and also mentions it in arguments.

If we watch a show involving casual sex/dating, which he knows I did a lot of in my distant past, he will refer to how shallow and weird it is to sleep with someone you're not in love with. He takes a lot of pride and talks a lot about how he has only had 4 sexual partners in his mid 40s and always bangs on about his christian/country background and how this has given him strong (read: better) values/morals. He has gotten very annoyed even watching shows such as Girls, Looking, Fleabag etc before because he thinks they trivialise sex and relationships, and ends up having a rant about this. I am 10 years younger and I feel like his attitude is pretty old fashioned, I cant get riled up about stuff like that especially in a tv show.

He makes a lot of comments about 'city people' and how people from the countryside are generally more friendly, more reliable, more moral, etc. I have grown up in cities as he knows, and lived in major cities for 15 years as an adult. again, I never thought to judge people on city/country before!

I have had to hear the same sermon multiple times on how lying is so bad for relationships (no shit) - he seems to rank cheating/lying on a level with murder or something, because he was cheated on once. He is so black and white, I often end up pointing out that eg. my mum had an exit affair in a DV marriage, but even that to him is a stain on her character.

I have actually raised to him a few times now that if he cant accept things about me (from stupid stuff like the articles I read online, to bigger stuff like maybe being less black and white about stuff like casual sex, etc) and continues to be judgy/neg, maybe we aren't very compatible but he just maintains he thinks we are soulmates?!

It just feels like so often, I come away from conversations feeling defensive and/or invalidated, as well as insecure about myself- maybe I am shallow, etc... On a level I know it's not true, but it seems like even my stupid side interests are up for comment. I never thought that wikipedia-ing a director or watching a show about take that would lead to a negging comment about me, but it feels like he is in constant judgment! Its so annoying when I have so many interests and I am obviously no fool.

Any thoughts? He is otherwise lovely and does everything for me/us, he's kind, I just dont get this judginess. His family are kind of like this too, making out they are better than others, but he sees that in them... just not in himself.

OP posts:
StrawberryDream24 · 31/01/2025 17:30

He's quite pretentious about his own intellect so maybe he wants a smart, accomplished partner but then he's too insecure to deal with it without putting them down.

Men also go for looks/attraction a lot in my experience. Your education and career are by the by ... Except he feels insecure about them.

So he's divorced ...what a surprise.

clearskies24 · 31/01/2025 17:32

He sounds like my ex, an insecure narcissistic who was initially attracted to your superior intelligence but now hates you for it, so takes every opportunity to belittle you and make you feel small. It will get worse over time. Get rid. You are worth so much more.

Cornishclio · 31/01/2025 17:37

Oh dear he sounds judgy and unsupportive. If he constantly undermines you this will whittle away at your self esteem. Nothing wrong with pop/media culture and anyone who puts you down constantly can't love you. I would say you are incompatible.

StrawberryDream24 · 31/01/2025 17:42

I have actually raised to him a few times now that if he cant accept things about me (from stupid stuff like the articles I read online, to bigger stuff like maybe being less black and white about stuff like casual sex, etc) and continues to be judgy/neg, maybe we aren't very compatible but he just maintains he thinks we are soulmates?!

Aw he thought you were finally going to get rid of him/he'd pushed too far with the put-downs and criticism campaign, so he pulled the soul mates thing.

Anyway- soul mates suit each other.... Really well. They don't feel judged by each other. They accept each other as they are

(Not that you've done anything that merits judgement or needs accepting).

I'm wondering who would suit him incidentally - someone not from a western liberal democracy, I'm guessing...even then, he'd find a way to criticise them and put then down.

Daleksatemyshed · 31/01/2025 17:53

He's a fun sponge Op, anything he doesn't like or isn't interested in is trivial, in truth he's far less accomplished than you are and knows it, so he has to try and take you down a peg all the time to make himself feel better. I don't believe in soulmates but I imagine they'd have a happy, kind relationship where they supported and encouraged each other, this is not a description of him.
He's insecure and won't get any better, so if I were you I'd be ending it and finding someone better

Gloriainextremis · 31/01/2025 17:56

springhazsprung · 31/01/2025 14:29

He is great in bed, yes, and in very good physical shape which is one of the reasons I was attracted to him, but all this is turning me off and so I dont care so much about that anymore. its hard to enjoy sex with someone who trivialises you so much or makes nasty callbacks to stupid things you've said in unrelated arguments. I dont think it'll change... last time we stayed at his mums I had to endure her doing a monologue about how people in the city are lazier and more shallow than people in the country... GROAN. They come from an incredibly un-diverse rural area and are very judgy.

Seems like the apple didn't fall far from the tree then, if his judgypants mother also enjoys voicing her negative opinions of others.

He's a prick. Dump him.

user1471538283 · 31/01/2025 17:59

He sounds exhausting. I had one like this. Constantly putting me down because I was more intelligent, more qualified and better than him. But I lost all my confidence by the time he left

Don't let this go on any longer.

PyongyangKipperbang · 31/01/2025 18:01

There is a certain type of man who wants to be with a clever attractive intelligent woman as they believe that it reflects well on them and in many ways it does. But the flip side of that is that they dont like the fact that she is way out of his league and so tries to bring her down, whilst still showing her off in public. Its pathological. He wont stop doing it because he probably doesnt even realise he is doing it.

I was married to one. This will not get better, FFS get rid of him.

StrawberryDream24 · 31/01/2025 18:15

It's funny how similar/common their behaviours are ...

My nearly decade older, less educated man (who was rather braggy/egotistical and also prone to "sermons") behaved in exactly the same ways;

The irrational, seemingly endless jealousy of any man you look at/interact with/watch etc. Because they represent something he is not.
(And therefore something that you might leave him for/cheat on him for).

The endless put downs and criticism. As I said it's partly to bring you down a peg/bring down your self esteem and partly to devalue you (to himself) because he is constantly, inwardly on high alert to you leaving them or meeting someone else.

You might be tempted to feel sorry for him and think that reassurances of your love and commitment might help and change his behaviour..... In my experience, that is a fallacy. He'll not stop or change.

StrawberryDream24 · 31/01/2025 18:25

Op, sometimes intelligent, educated, liberal minded young women with diverse interests can be "too" open minded when dating.

WolfFoxHare · 31/01/2025 18:26

He’s an insecure dick. Bin him.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 31/01/2025 18:27

springhazsprung · 31/01/2025 14:15

I just dont get that because he goes for successful intelligent woman, his ex wife was a doctor who went to oxbridge too and I am a professional as well, it makes no sense.

He probably goes for successful intelligent women because he enjoys undermining them and making them feel small, so HE can feel more powerful.

He sounds utterly vile.

StrawberryDream24 · 31/01/2025 18:30

He left her!! for another younger woman.. but this doesnt count as cheating to him because he didn't cross any physical lines with the woman before he left.... AFAIK his ex wife was quite distraught and had to have a lot of therapy which now makes sense to me....

It does count as cheating even if anything physical truly didn't happen.
They clearly had an emotional affair, at the very least.

No wonder he's so jealous and insecure....he thinks everyone's like him. Maybe he thinks he's going to get karma.

He's one to talk about morals.

Easipeelerie · 31/01/2025 18:33

I can just imagine what it’s like being around him. He talks utter rubbish but gaslights you with it, because he talks with such conviction. Classic that someone jealous and immature like this has an obsession with lies. They always have a warped sense of what’s what.
Definitely get rid, sooner rather than later. He’ll wear you right down if you stay much longer.

StrawberryDream24 · 31/01/2025 18:33

uhhh when he talks about my 'past', as though I have some kind of criminal background (more like I dated around in my 20s), it makes me cringe!!

He strikes me as a red piller.

Often goes hand in hand with physical "self improvement", gym body types etc.

I've seen this a lot on male dominated fitness forums.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 31/01/2025 18:38

StrawberryDream24 · 31/01/2025 18:25

Op, sometimes intelligent, educated, liberal minded young women with diverse interests can be "too" open minded when dating.

Oh, I don't know. Sometimes it's nice to have somebody around for decorative purposes for a couple of years before you move onto somebody you can actually talk to.

frozendaisy · 31/01/2025 18:41

Life is too short OP!

Right now very clever computer geek H is saving the internet upstairs, yet he loves nothing more than a good chat about his favourite football team, I join in because he loved them before me and will love them should there be an after me. It’s him, he knows my interest is “meh” (don’t mind a BIT of international football but still skit around a “meh”).

I returned the favour this week explaining pectin extraction from the pips of Seville oranges to make our first ever batch of homemade marmalade, I know it’s exciting stuff, his interest in marmalade is way below “meh” but so what? It’s conversation. It’s fun.

We can and do deep meaningful, we can sit for hours talking uni essay level high brow culture and science.

But sometimes it’s pectin and balls.

Your relationship sounds too much like hard work for little reward, judgement and criticism.

Set yourself free, let him remain with the rural elites. It will never work. (Fun meaningless sex is fine, actors are fine, looking up “I’m sure he’s dead” on wiki is fine). You’re fine OP.

HoppityBun · 31/01/2025 18:43

Because he despises you

StrawberryDream24 · 31/01/2025 18:44

Such sweeping generalisations about people in cities versus people in the countryside are ridiculous and simple minded too.

Not a good reflection on him or his family.

persisted · 31/01/2025 18:45

Honestly who can be fucked with this nonsense?
He considers you to be a trophy, the kind that are ideally seen and not heard.

He loves you for all that you are, or he doesn't love you at all. So clearly he doesn't.
Tell him to get lost with his patronising lectures, you don't need to justify what you like.

StrawberryDream24 · 31/01/2025 18:46

HoppityBun · 31/01/2025 18:43

Because he despises you

I don't think he despises her ....he just hasn't got the character to have a relationship with an accomplished woman (and younger woman) without constantly sabotaging it with his insecurities, double standards, desire for control and other issues.

CockerMum · 31/01/2025 18:46

Pop him in the bin

Christmassoxs · 31/01/2025 18:47

springhazsprung · 31/01/2025 14:20

He left her!! for another younger woman.. but this doesnt count as cheating to him because he didn't cross any physical lines with the woman before he left.... AFAIK his ex wife was quite distraught and had to have a lot of therapy which now makes sense to me....

I once by accident found a list he had made of the qualities he wanted in a partner and it included 'beautiful', 'intelligent', 'ambitious'... he is an underemployed man in his mid 40s who most people mistake for older. I feel bad for saying that and I would never say it to him but he seems to expect so much of others but not himself.

What a complete wanker he really is and totally deluded to boot.🙄😆

Twixtmasjigsaw · 31/01/2025 18:49

Soulmates don't make you feel like shit...

CluelessAboutBiology · 31/01/2025 18:52

He sounds like a ghastly man, OP. I’m totally fed up with him and I’ve never even met him! He gleefully puts you down to make himself feel better.

I didn’t notice if you said anything about your living situation. If you don’t live together, just dump him. If you live together, can you easily move out without a big financial loss or could you easily get him out?

Ditch him now before you suddenly realise you’ve wasted ten years with this dullard.

It’s better to be single than with the wrong man.