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Frequently negged by partner over my interests/values/intelligence.. why?!

238 replies

springhazsprung · 31/01/2025 13:15

this might sound like a weird one, but I am beginning to get irritated with my dp of around 18 months and I really would appreciate some views on this. I feel like he often says mean things/put downs or negs in normal conversations and I get blindsided or more frequently now, offended and we end up arguing because I don't like feeling put down in this way. Examples would be, eg-

I've always loved movies, tv, pop culture trivia in general including actors/actresses, celebrities, popstars etc. I've been that way since I was a kid and read all the pop mags, I never saw it as a bad thing before more of a thing I do to relax, but he often brings this up in arguments. If I watch a show about 90s boybands, he will bring it up later in a more intellectual conversation saying that my interest is in boybands, his is in (whatever 'serious', scientific or whatever topic we might be discussing). Btw, I went to oxbridge and have a masters degree from UCL while he went to a vocational college, so it feels odd to have my intelligence undermined in this way. He will also say that I have an 'infatuation' with actors or famous men if I go on their wikipedia page after we watch something, even if it's just to see what else they have been in. I haven't had a celeb crush since I was a young teen, I just love that world of media/pop culture. He went in a mood after I took him to see a one man play in London once, because he said I was obviously fascinated with talented men/actors.

if I describe people generally using adjectives like their height, attractiveness, job etc he says I am overly preoccupied with these qualities and he has even said I am shallow before and that I was only with my ex for his salary. I actually was a single mum for years and built up my successful career through a lot of graft, and I've never expected to split expenses more than 50/50- in fact, I helped my ex build up his career to a double pay rise, while taking a cut of my own.

He thinks my interest in true crime is also incredibly vapid and also mentions it in arguments.

If we watch a show involving casual sex/dating, which he knows I did a lot of in my distant past, he will refer to how shallow and weird it is to sleep with someone you're not in love with. He takes a lot of pride and talks a lot about how he has only had 4 sexual partners in his mid 40s and always bangs on about his christian/country background and how this has given him strong (read: better) values/morals. He has gotten very annoyed even watching shows such as Girls, Looking, Fleabag etc before because he thinks they trivialise sex and relationships, and ends up having a rant about this. I am 10 years younger and I feel like his attitude is pretty old fashioned, I cant get riled up about stuff like that especially in a tv show.

He makes a lot of comments about 'city people' and how people from the countryside are generally more friendly, more reliable, more moral, etc. I have grown up in cities as he knows, and lived in major cities for 15 years as an adult. again, I never thought to judge people on city/country before!

I have had to hear the same sermon multiple times on how lying is so bad for relationships (no shit) - he seems to rank cheating/lying on a level with murder or something, because he was cheated on once. He is so black and white, I often end up pointing out that eg. my mum had an exit affair in a DV marriage, but even that to him is a stain on her character.

I have actually raised to him a few times now that if he cant accept things about me (from stupid stuff like the articles I read online, to bigger stuff like maybe being less black and white about stuff like casual sex, etc) and continues to be judgy/neg, maybe we aren't very compatible but he just maintains he thinks we are soulmates?!

It just feels like so often, I come away from conversations feeling defensive and/or invalidated, as well as insecure about myself- maybe I am shallow, etc... On a level I know it's not true, but it seems like even my stupid side interests are up for comment. I never thought that wikipedia-ing a director or watching a show about take that would lead to a negging comment about me, but it feels like he is in constant judgment! Its so annoying when I have so many interests and I am obviously no fool.

Any thoughts? He is otherwise lovely and does everything for me/us, he's kind, I just dont get this judginess. His family are kind of like this too, making out they are better than others, but he sees that in them... just not in himself.

OP posts:
AngelinaFibres · 31/01/2025 14:47

"It is better to admit that you went through the wrong door, realised your mistake, and left than to spend all your life in the wrong room".
He is not for you. You are not a team. Remove yourself from this and find a man who actually thinks ( and says to you frequently) that you are as fabulous as you clearly are.

SnoopysHoose · 31/01/2025 14:51

He is otherwise lovely and does everything for me/us, he's kind
he really isn't, the list of his horrible behaviour is substantial with no sign of kindness.
Just get rid, I'm angry reading your OP

RitaFromTheRanch · 31/01/2025 14:52

springhazsprung · 31/01/2025 14:23

uhhh when he talks about my 'past', as though I have some kind of criminal background (more like I dated around in my 20s), it makes me cringe!!

And how mad he got at the show Fleabag I was watching, because the woman talked openly about sex. He knew I loved that play/tv show, and that I had written a similar play when I was at uni! He didnt seem to see a connection between criticising it and criticising me. He got in a mood and made a snide comment to me the other day because I compared a situation in a show to a situation I had with a long ago boyfriend. I think he wishes all women had no exes and were blind to all other men.

Oh he did see it as a connection the sly prick.

He's enjoying every second of dulling your sparkle. He's jealous of you.

Please please leave him.

Even your ex sounds better from the two lines you've written about him

NowThatYouSayIt · 31/01/2025 14:53

bombastix · 31/01/2025 14:46

If this is true OP, he's very clever, and you are a dumb one because you will not see what everyone else can see. in plain sight.

Sorry to be harsh.

I’d have to agree. Honestly, OP, why would you stay in this relationship?

threeheadeddog · 31/01/2025 14:54

Oh OP, I've had one of these. Smart but not as smart as he thought he was, incredibly insecure and massively entitled about what he thought he 'deserved'. All of his exes were smart beautiful younger women who met his 'standards' - no way would he have gotten together with anyone with less than a Masters degree and who was bigger than a size 10, and yet he just kept on banging on about every micro success he'd ever had, how intelligent he was, how other people said stupid things all the time. Their, and my, brilliance was a stick to beat us with so he could feel better about himself - better for having bagged a hot girlfriend, and better for being 'better' than his hot girlfriend. He was just a gaping void of need, insecurity, and jealousy.

He also took very good care of himself and was good in the sack - but honestly, this was about boosting his fragile sense of self and being a """"good"""" """"man"""" , rather than being a genuinely loving and thoughtful partner.

He doesn't actually like you, OP. You can find someone so much better.

ruethewhirl · 31/01/2025 14:55

He's a negging shitbag, OP. I don't care how lovely he can be at other times, this would be a dealbreaker for me.

Imgoingtobefree · 31/01/2025 14:56

As others have said - some people can only feel better about themselves when they make the other person feel worse.

I would suggest that he feels insecure and sees your relationship as some kind of competition. He knows you have a better education and have more success in life.

My ex used to do this to me although he did have a very successful career. It was just done to make himself feel superior to me. That was his own insecurity talking not mine.

The problem as you have started realising, is that over time it can bring you down so you start questioning whether you do have ‘low brow tastes’. But even if you do, does it really matter?

Please whatever you do, don’t allow this to happen. You can have whatever interests you like and they don’t need to match another persons tastes.

A good relationship allows people to have different views, tastes and hobbies. A good partner RESPECTS that and shuts up when you point it out.

hellywelly3 · 31/01/2025 15:02

If you have to hide certain bits of your personality or get ridiculed it’s not working out. Toss this one back in the pond.

ItGhoul · 31/01/2025 15:02

He sounds like a complete cunt. He’s doing this because he likes making you feel small and silly while he feels superior. He’s enjoying making you feel bad. Surely you can see that? He wants you to feel stupid and insecure.

Also, he is almost certainly a misogynist. Claiming that women’s interests are shallow/vapid/worthless/low brow is a CLASSIC misogynist trait.

Honestly, dump him. He’s a bully.

Daisy12Maisie · 31/01/2025 15:07

Dump him.
I'm not interested at all in pop culture or celebrities but if my partner was I would let him get on with it and maybe take a bit of an interest.
A close friend of mine loves shopping. I don't get it and only shop when absolutely necessary but we just do other things like go out for lunch. If I do need to buy anything she will advise me what to get, which is great.
I like to paint and decorate. Not professionally just my own house. So when she moves I'll help her decorate.
My point being people can be respectful of each other despite differences. Whatever he is interested in isn't "better" than what you are interested in. Fine if he isn't interested but no need to put you down! Maybe he is jealous or insecure but that's not your issue it's his.

outerspacepotato · 31/01/2025 15:08

He's underachieving so he has to put you down to feel superior. He sounds like a misogynistic bully and he's not going to change.

It's ok to be interested in what you're interested in. It's a part of what makes you you.

AgathaKrispie · 31/01/2025 15:27

Billyblue47 · 31/01/2025 14:45

He's a nasty bastard. He's belittling, undermining, disrespectful and downright rude. He treats you less than, probably because he's insecure, because you allow it. You've been together for less than 2 years. This is the honeymoon period. It will only get worse. Dump his arse and be with someone that actually likes and respects you. Someone that elevates you rather than shrinks you.

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This!

thepariscrimefiles · 31/01/2025 15:34

He actually feels inferior to you as you have an Oxbridge degree and a Masters degree and he went to a vocational college. Because you feel secure about your educational background, you are comfortable enjoying what he sees as more 'low brow' entertainment. He is constantly criticising you and putting you down as he feels insecure.

He doesn't sound like a good partner at all. He certainly isn't kind and he is ridiculous to say that you are soulmates when he denigrates your morals and your character on a daily basis.

You don't need to put up with this kind of treatment from your partner so I would make plans to separate. You are not compatible at all.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 31/01/2025 15:35

@thepariscrimefiles very well put. He's got a bad chip on his shoulder!

poppymango · 31/01/2025 15:42

He sounds incredibly insecure, and a lot of hard work.

I'd be over it.

zaxxon · 31/01/2025 15:48

category12 · 31/01/2025 14:29

I bet he took great pleasure in tearing her down too.

He's the type of man who sees a bright competent woman as a challenge to be broken down.

Yes. And also, since you ask why he would choose intelligent, successful women as partners - it's because if he got together with a "lower-value" woman, it might confirm what the nasty little voice in his head is saying - that (whisper it) he's not good enough to attract the very best.

Problem is, once he has the very best (that's you OP), he then has to prove he's even better than her. Constantly.

It's an awful cycle and you're much better off out of it

newyearsresolurion · 31/01/2025 15:52

Have you blocked him yet?

WhereYouLeftIt · 31/01/2025 15:58

springhazsprung · 31/01/2025 14:15

I just dont get that because he goes for successful intelligent woman, his ex wife was a doctor who went to oxbridge too and I am a professional as well, it makes no sense.

Actually it makes perferct sense. Sad

"... he must always bang on about how he was top of every class, graduated top of his class, he was voted most likely to succeed.. and on and on.... he is a serial underachiever despite his talent/intelligence and this is obviously a sore point but he absolutely denies that. He prefers to put others down."

He goes for successful intelligent women because he wants to drag them down and make them unhappy. He is PUNISHING them for being successful intelligent women. He excelled himself with his wife - "AFAIK his ex wife was quite distraught and had to have a lot of therapy" - but of course he had longer than 18 months to work on her. Still, the 18 months he's been working on you, he's got you "feeling defensive", "invalidated" and "insecure". If you allow him to continue to chip, chip chip away at you, I'm sure he'll have you in therapy too.

"I once by accident found a list he had made of the qualities he wanted in a partner and it included 'beautiful', 'intelligent', 'ambitious'... he is an underemployed man in his mid 40s who most people mistake for older. I feel bad for saying that and I would never say it to him but he seems to expect so much of others but not himself."
I see it slightly differently. Those are the qualities he knows he lacks and therefore wishes to destroy others for having. Yes, he might have some intelligence, but to be a "serial underachiever" bespeaks an inability to do anything with that intelligence. There is a lack in him, and he despises those who are NOT lacking. Like his wife, like you.

I would seriously suggest that you get yourself out of this relationship ASAP, and take steps to limit any access he might have to you afterwards. Don't be misled to believe you can be acquaintances or even friends afterwards. He is bitter, and he is twisted. Protect yourself and get away from him.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 31/01/2025 16:03

Why does he do it? Because he wants to prop himself up by knocking you down. He lacks self-esteem, and because he knows you are actually better-educated than he is, it makes him feel better to accuse you of being shallow. He's a twat and not worth your time.

whoevenknowsanymore · 31/01/2025 16:04

My thoughts: he doesn't respect nor value you for who you genuinely are.

There is someone out there who does.

(He's also an insecure, petty, irritable, misogynistic bore.)

He won't change. Do you want to spend the rest of your life feeling like this?

CheshireCats · 31/01/2025 16:06

Why on earth are you still with this idiot?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 31/01/2025 16:12

How can you be helped into leaving your abuser?. His family of origin are as rotten as he is. Do not ignore the many red flags a flying here.

Why did you choose him to be in a relationship with to start with?. Your boundaries are poor and he took advantage of those. That is a question you need to ask yourself in the future. In the meantime ditch him today before you end up in therapy because of his behaviour. He does this too because he can and he’s learnt it works for him.

BonneMaman77 · 31/01/2025 16:13

What you describe must surely be tiring for you both? A decision to be made about compatibility and if you’re to be judged for the rest of your life.

He is probably suffering from inferiority complex that shows it self as superiority complex. Or jerk- esque.

In what ways is he “quite lovely”?!

mewkins · 31/01/2025 16:16

It's not just that aren't compatible, it's also that he has a massive inferiority complex and this is manifesting as constant digs about everything in your past and present.

He is awful and nothing you can say will change this.

PennyNotWise · 31/01/2025 16:16

All those lovely things you enjoy doing that you feel judged about…. You can do them whenever you like if he’s not around. How does it feel when you imagine being free and single again?
He will batter your confidence.