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I just ended things with a good man. I feel sick.

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SeamsLegit · 13/01/2025 09:49

13 years, our kids 12 and 8. A calm home with plenty of laughs. As I said, he's a good man. Kind, reliable, dependable, funny. But we haven't had sex in over a year, the attraction is gone for me (he hasn't changed physically) and his drive has certainly disappeared. Feels like we are roommates. Talked a few times, he is content with life as is. I did spell out things I want... passion, romance, excitement, affection. He has definitely put in an effort, complimenting me, buying me things, defrosting my car on icy mornings - but when he puts his arms around me in bed it feels wrong. He's upset (disappointed in his words). I feel anxious, nauseous. Is that a sign I made the wrong decision?? I'm 40, he's 50. The house is mine, but I don't want him to feel scared, anchorless, worried about the future. I have suggested separate rooms, cohabiting and co-parenting. He doesn't think it will work. I don't want our kids not to see him every day. I don't want him to feel excluded - he is family to me, I love him, I'm not IN love with him. I feel like I've been hanging on for things to get better for a long time. But I also feel selfish for choosing ME over our family unit as it is.

History, my mother divorced my dad and left to travel the world when I was a young teen. Definitely affected me, my life derailed, I stopped going to school, wasted the potential I had, did things I shouldn't etc. Although I was young and really, older men shouldn't have done those things - but no force etc. I feel resentful that my mum left at such a young age, my dad obviously had a hard time adjusting, things weren't great for a while - although I have minimal memories of that time. Great relationship with my dad now, recently not so great with my mum as although we were besties for years, now that I am caring for her due to ill health, I am narky and impatient a lot because she didn't look after me when she should have!

I suppose I'm scared I'm doing the same thing - but I'm not going anywhere. I'm very aware that life is short. I don't want to have regrets!! But I don't want to hurt any of my family either. Any advice is welcome, although I guess posting this before I dropped the bomb last night might have made more sense. It just bubbled out of me lying in bed, like I couldn't hold it in any longer.

Now I'm in work, and tearful. I haven't told anyone irl, I'm trying to be resilient

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FatFiatMultiplaWhopper · 14/01/2025 06:42

He is a good man who is there for you when you need him. You have a happy home filled with laughter. I wouldn't tear that and my children's lives apart in the hope I might find someone who'd shag me more.

SecretSoul · 14/01/2025 07:28

Ah @SeamsLegit ypu really have so much going on here. The only surprise is that it took so long for you to implode.

Your DP sounds like a good man but he’s not completely blameless. Don’t shoulder more than your fair share as to how you got where you are now. His inaction has helped to nudge your relationship into the friendzone. Personally, I find it quite hard to be sexual again with someone after I feel pushed in that direction, so I think your feelings of horror at sexual contact aren’t uncommon.

However, he sounds kind and understanding and there’s clearly a lot of love there. That’s a really solid base to work from and I think you may well find your way back.

What I really wanted to talk about was your mum. Your story is similar in ways to mine.

My dad left when I was about 13/14 - it’s a very long story but in a nutshell, he went off to live in Israel in a kibbutz. My parents had divorced when I was 8 but he was very present and involved in my life until he abruptly left. My dad wasn’t around for those very crucial teen years. I adored my dad so his absence was so very hard. I didn’t realise until quite recently how him leaving so suddenly deeply affected me.

What is also relevant is that my mum isn’t the best parent. Demanding, controlling, unreasonable, borderline abusive (actually she’s downright abusive but I have a hard job admitting this!) - we had a terrible relationship when I was a teenager, Social services and child psychiatry were involved at the point when dad left. Dad just left me to her - he was fully aware of how difficult she was and how unpleasant she could be. I had a terrible time at home. I ended up quitting my A-levels so I could move out of home solely to get away from her. I had university planned so it really changed my trajectory of my life.

Dad was back in my life from the age of 18. When I was in my mid-30s he got diagnosed with a terminal illness. I was his carer until he died a few years later. I was grateful that I was in a position to be able to care for him (I had become self-employed).

Fast forward to now, 10 years later. My mum now lives in an annexe next to my house. She has always been present in my life but she’s manipulative and at times, not very kind. I’m understating things here. Her behaviour has been abominable in many different ways. She has really fucked me up. My brother is no contact with her.

I didn’t resent caring for my dad even though I realise he was actually a terrible parent in many ways. The reason he left to go to Israel was due to someone else’s actions - he could have stayed but that would have been much harder for him. And a fun life beckoned him in Israel. He had an amazing few years out there.

I think perhaps with my dad I could see that although he was selfish, he really did love me and I know he found it hard to leave. He was put in an impossible situation and torn so took the easy option. He didn’t have the skills to deal with his house being repossessed so just followed out to Israel instead and left me to navigate life with an abusive parent on my own. It was a selfish decision and it scarred me. He never said sorry but after his return he was pressured to leave again, and he refused because he didn’t want to leave me again (I was 21 by then). Maybe that made a difference to me? I don’t know. But I can say that I always felt very loved by my dad, even though he’d previously left for a few years.

My mum now needs a fair bit of help and care….and I feel resentful. And repulsed at times. Emotions I never felt about caring for my dad. She’s not grateful for my time and whatever I do it isn’t enough. She’s also got no compassion for my DC (who have SEN, high needs) and centres herself in everything.

I’m autistic and have ADHD. I suspect both my parents were/are neurodivergent but undiagnosed. My dad was dyslexic and could never sit still. Impulsive, lacking concentration, and charismatic - he had what I now recognise as the classic signs of ADHD. I firmly believe my mum is both autistic and ADHD. She has no friends and no people skills. But I don’t think neurodivergence explains everything- we often say in our family that being an arsehole and being neurodivergent aren’t mutually exclusive. I think my mum is both.

I honestly was raging with your mum when I was reading your posts. I think it pressed all my buttons because of my history.

I just wanted to share my story because there are similarities. I think the sense of being abandoned by a parent leaves deep scars, but when they come back into your life it gets confusing and hard to process. I feel like my dad tried to make amends in his own way but it doesn’t sound as if your mum did. And her indignance when you raised the subject suggests she has no idea of what she put you through. Or perhaps she just isn’t really interested….? I think if she’d been genuinely remorseful you might feel differently about caring for her now. But her indifference to what you went through is a bitter pill to swallow. And fosters resentment.

If you are neurodivergent, do you think your mum might be too? I just wonder if you think that might be the case, whether that would help you to process what she did and how she acts now. Of course, that might not be the case but it’s worth considering.

I think it’s hard to be generous with your time and energy when you feel taken for granted. And when you feel it’s not reciprocal. It leaves you doing things out of sense of duty and guilt rather than genuine desire to care for someone who’s cared for you. She didn’t consider your feelings then and she isn’t considering them now. Your wants/needs don’t seem to register for her - as evidenced by her lack of interest in your counselling.

You don’t have to run around after her. It doesn’t make you a bad person. You matter too. And you are allowed to prioritise your feelings - it’s not just about everyone else.

Speaking from experience, it sounds like the more you give, the more she will take. And there will be expectations and no real gratitude. Put boundaries in place now and stick to them. Create space for your own mental well-being because if you don’t, then she’ll continue to take what she wants. You need time and space to figure out how to move forward - don’t let her take that from you.

I think you’ve reached melting point - it might feel awful right now but with some good counselling, hopefully you’ll be able to process everything that’s happened and figure out a future that makes you happy.

Sending love 💐

3luckystars · 14/01/2025 07:50

What a lovely helpful post.

I can also see echoes of my own mother too here, who I suspect has autism and definitely has ADHD. It’s weird now being the same age as she was when she did all these insane things, and I’m trying not to make the same type of mistakes but it’s hard to join the dots and ‘see’ these similarities when you are up to your neck in family life.

I just want to stay on the straight and narrow and put my children first now. My father is very elderly and very demanding, I adore him but had to pull back from caring for him a few years ago, in a big way because it was impacting my health. I kept thinking ‘this could be the last conversation I have with him’ and breaking my neck to see him every time he needed me. Well that is ok in the short term but 12 years later he is still here and I am glad I pulled back from him now because I was getting my priorities all wrong by putting him in front of my children. It doesn’t happen now. My dad was very good to me growing up so I can’t imagine how hard it would be if he was not so nice, how very mixed up I would be about it all. The guilt and the pain of it.

You are dealing with so much, I hope the counselling brings you clarity and peace x x

Lilactimes · 14/01/2025 18:23

SeamsLegit · 13/01/2025 18:41

Just out of my first session. Cried the entire time! It genuinely surprises me, reading comments about my 'trauma' - I've never considered it as a trauma. I feel calmer still, which is very welcome. Mum text me to bring her stuff, I told her I was starting counselling but she didn't say anything really, just wanted to know where and when, and when she could expect me... I felt irked at her for that.

I'm back next week, and I have to journal for 30 mins every day, all I remember from mum leaving. I don't think it will take one day to jot down all I remember, it isn't much.

The counsellor thinks I reacted out of stress by announcing that last night.

How are you feeling today @SeamsLegit ?
Hope calmer still x

SeamsLegit · 14/01/2025 18:30

Thank you all for your comments and concern!

I journalled this morning, it made me quite sad remembering. But today has been better, I got lots done, definitely calmer.

Had another panic attack in bed last night, apologised for 'ending' things, explained that I absolutely meant it at the time but that now I couldn't (and still really can't) understand why.

I think I've been displacing a lot of feelings to a 'safer' place

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Silvers11 · 14/01/2025 18:38

Glad you feel calmer OP. Hopefully the counselling will help

Lilactimes · 14/01/2025 18:38

SeamsLegit · 14/01/2025 18:30

Thank you all for your comments and concern!

I journalled this morning, it made me quite sad remembering. But today has been better, I got lots done, definitely calmer.

Had another panic attack in bed last night, apologised for 'ending' things, explained that I absolutely meant it at the time but that now I couldn't (and still really can't) understand why.

I think I've been displacing a lot of feelings to a 'safer' place

That’s good to hear! Am really happy for you . I posted many pages back and possibly it was too premature as you’re obviously needing to work through some of the issues re your mum.
but I did comment on the sex issues you mentioned as this was a huge issue in my marriage. When the time is right I do think sex therapists can be amazing for couples. And maybe your DP is lacking testosterone - men do also go through a menopause and testosterone drops yet it can be topped up and this could help him get more in sync with you.
but glad you’re working on everything and feeling better x

GivingitToGod · 14/01/2025 18:46

Hipalong · 13/01/2025 09:58

Passion, romance, excitement...life is not a mills and boon novel and your (now ex I guess )partner is 50. You're 40, with two children. You don't want to have regrets, but splitting up your young children's family because your life isn't exciting enough is likely to be a huge one.

THIS
I really think your marriage is worth saving. U both love and care for each other

Twirlywurly2 · 14/01/2025 18:49

Trust me, good men are hard to find.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 14/01/2025 20:22

SeamsLegit · 14/01/2025 18:30

Thank you all for your comments and concern!

I journalled this morning, it made me quite sad remembering. But today has been better, I got lots done, definitely calmer.

Had another panic attack in bed last night, apologised for 'ending' things, explained that I absolutely meant it at the time but that now I couldn't (and still really can't) understand why.

I think I've been displacing a lot of feelings to a 'safer' place

Your husband is the closest person to you. You feel safe around him and you know he will always be there for you even after you broke up with him. The first person you called at work when you had a panic attack was your husband. He turned up outside your work place. He is someone you can count on and your mother wasn't. That upsets you your mother should have been there and you rightly blame her for the situations you ended up in as a teenager. I think you may be using your husband as your punching bag.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 15/01/2025 06:55

I've just read your thread from start to finish, and wanted to reach out and say... something. I can feel the cycle of emotions and panic coming through your words, and I'm so sorry you've been feeling this way. It sounds like you've made some really positive steps forward, however traumatic. Do allow yourself time to feel, rest, wallow etc, and your communication with your DP sounds very open and positive.

If it won't make you feel better to reduce contact with your mum at this stage perhaps some former mental boundaries...phone on silent when not with her, or blocked for periods of time so at least you're not feeling at her beck and call. She can't have it all ways, which you know. Harder to feel though.

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Yalta · 15/01/2025 19:07

Is he a good man?

He isn’t exactly there for her when she needs him.

You can get a Teasmade (Remember them) if you want a cup of tea in bed. Wanting to have sex with your dh and he doesn’t want to ever again and is telling her it isn’t important enough in his mind to do anything about it

I think women will sit on their own needs for a while but eventually they either split up or live to regret not splitting up.

It’s very hard to imagine at 40 that your sex life is over if you don’t want it to be.

Basketballhoop · 15/01/2025 19:33

Yalta · 15/01/2025 19:07

Is he a good man?

He isn’t exactly there for her when she needs him.

You can get a Teasmade (Remember them) if you want a cup of tea in bed. Wanting to have sex with your dh and he doesn’t want to ever again and is telling her it isn’t important enough in his mind to do anything about it

I think women will sit on their own needs for a while but eventually they either split up or live to regret not splitting up.

It’s very hard to imagine at 40 that your sex life is over if you don’t want it to be.

I suggest you read all OP's comments, even if you don't read the whole thread. It does help.

Louko · 15/01/2025 21:25

Honestly I’d try a therapist and try and work things out.

Louko · 15/01/2025 21:36

Louko · 15/01/2025 21:25

Honestly I’d try a therapist and try and work things out.

Sorry I hadn’t read all the thread before commenting. Hope you are feeling a bit better OP. I think caring for an elderly dependant parent can be very stressful ( and you have children and a job) and also sort of makes you examine your own life ( when you have time to think) I wouldn’t make any big décisions until you feel better. Good luck and best wishes

Whydoeseveryonewanttoargue · 17/01/2025 19:40

OP - serious huge congratulations! I mean that sincerely.

You faced something huge and terrible head on and wanted to take steps to make it better.

Already in a very very short amount of time you have spoken to your partner, your mum, booked and had a therapy session and started journaling.

Whatever happens I just wanted to say I am proud of you for your actions (I mean that sincerely!) and you are well on your way to working through where you are and trying to do the right thing by you and your family.

It won’t be easy but you have the right mindset. Best wishes for you. Big hugs.

PumpkinPieAlibi · 17/01/2025 20:04

This thread was such a lovely read. Marriage is a long road and it can sometimes be boring but it's so nice to see women come together and provide their collective wisdom based on their own experience. It's good to know others have been there before and gotten through it. Sometimes you wonder (or at least I do) if constant fireworks is supposed to be present or if we're doing something wrong, so it's good to know a calmer, deeper love is very much the norm as your relationship progresses and once there's love, respect, humour and shared history, you can get over any lulls in sex or attraction.

@SeamsLegit - I really hope you and your DP get through this rough patch. I am going through some hormonal changes too and it has 100% affected my libido, so I fully believe this can be hormone-related on top of everything else you're dealing with. You very much sound like you have a true partner and I hope you can support each other as you resolve your respective issues.

SeamsLegit · 17/01/2025 20:22

Update for anyone interested.... Things are calm, we've had a forest walk, breakfast out, he's bought me cake (drove to a further shop because the first didn't have my fave!), we've talked at length, I've apologised several times, and explained that I hate that a wobble in my head can effectively throw a bomb into his life, needless to say the diet is out the window for now, I'm just focusing on my wee family. 3 days without seeing my mum because her husband is visiting (a saga I can't get into!). And I held boundaries re his visit "no I won't do x, y and z because he is coming!" which made me equally proud and guilty... 🤷🏻‍♀️ And now I'm away to play with my daughter 🩷

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SnidelyWhiplash · 17/01/2025 20:30

Nice update, OP. Hope it works out for you and your lovely man.

LinnettdeBelleforte · 17/01/2025 20:30

SeamsLegit · 17/01/2025 20:22

Update for anyone interested.... Things are calm, we've had a forest walk, breakfast out, he's bought me cake (drove to a further shop because the first didn't have my fave!), we've talked at length, I've apologised several times, and explained that I hate that a wobble in my head can effectively throw a bomb into his life, needless to say the diet is out the window for now, I'm just focusing on my wee family. 3 days without seeing my mum because her husband is visiting (a saga I can't get into!). And I held boundaries re his visit "no I won't do x, y and z because he is coming!" which made me equally proud and guilty... 🤷🏻‍♀️ And now I'm away to play with my daughter 🩷

Amazing update! Do keep the boundaries up with your mother. She is a total CF to expect you to do so much for her. It doesn't matter how generous she has been with you in the past. She owes you, not the other way around.

SeamsLegit · 17/01/2025 20:49

This was my first ever post (although I'm an avid reader and sometimes commenter - kind and helpful comments only I hope) and the support I got, and the ongoing concern has really made a difference in my life. Thank you, genuinely, for thinking of me xxx

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Shubbypubby · 17/01/2025 20:55

I think having individual therapy then couple's therapy is the way forward before making any life changing decisions for you all. There's too much at stake to walk away without giving it your best shot at repair, from everything you've said.

Basketballhoop · 17/01/2025 21:14

SeamsLegit · 17/01/2025 20:22

Update for anyone interested.... Things are calm, we've had a forest walk, breakfast out, he's bought me cake (drove to a further shop because the first didn't have my fave!), we've talked at length, I've apologised several times, and explained that I hate that a wobble in my head can effectively throw a bomb into his life, needless to say the diet is out the window for now, I'm just focusing on my wee family. 3 days without seeing my mum because her husband is visiting (a saga I can't get into!). And I held boundaries re his visit "no I won't do x, y and z because he is coming!" which made me equally proud and guilty... 🤷🏻‍♀️ And now I'm away to play with my daughter 🩷

Ah well done.
The fact that your mum has a husband who 'visits' says quite a lot in itself about the ongoing challenges. That is their issue to manage, leave them to it.

Don't apologise too many times for your wobble! I can't think of the right words this evening (tiredness post op) but it doesn't always help to keep saying it. It undermines your own self esteem to keep repeating it.

SeamsLegit · 17/01/2025 21:22

I agree about apologising too much!

I just can't believe I felt that way, and that I thought separating would be of any benefit whatsoever.

Yes, the 'visits' are a sore spot for me, I firmly believe he should be looking after mum, I resent that he isn't!

But, deep breaths, I'm going to enjoy my freedom this weekend! 💕

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