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Ethical non monogamy WTF?

197 replies

Whatisthisdamnednonsense · 27/12/2024 17:42

I’m back on the dating apps after a two year relationship so been out of the dating scene. I’ve come across men saying they are looking for “ethical non monogamy” and also men saying they’re “polyamorous”. This wasn’t a thing in 2021 when I last had a dating profile! It’s just code for “I like shagging around” isn’t it? I’m open minded about dating but am baulking at how common it seems to be, I would say it’s every one in six or seven profiles!! Anyone else noticed this?
ps I’m back on bumble as it worked for me last time, what are the recommended apps these days? I don’t want hookups or one nighters! Just a nice boyfriend!

OP posts:
Endofyear · 28/12/2024 00:30

Yeah, just sounds like fancy words for shagging around 😂 each to their own and at least it allows you to weed out the ones you don't want to date!

susieguert · 28/12/2024 01:23

Poshos have been open about stuff like that for quite a while ime.

Anotherparkingthread · 28/12/2024 02:15

I actually think the open relationship/poly people are getting and unfair response here.

It's not for you. You don't have to like it and you don't have to engage with it. Im the same way nobody expects you to have gay sex if you're straight or date somebody who isn't your type. You also don't have to jump to conclusions about people because they do something you don't. It doesn't mean they are sex pests, bad people, cheats etc. and it's better for everybody that they post it up front.

It's just a lifestyle like any other. There's plenty of women who are also involved in these type of relationships. You aren't seeing them because you have it set to match you with men. They exist. They are happy or they would go back to monogamous relationships.

Xmaschoc · 28/12/2024 02:35

You aren't seeing them because you have it set to match you with men. They exist. They are happy or they would go back to monogamous relationships.

I have a group of male friends who are online dating and they say none of them have seen women looking for open or poly 🤷‍♀️

Xmaschoc · 28/12/2024 02:35

I should add: I’m not saying they don’t exist

Jazzjazzjazz · 28/12/2024 02:44

It’s got nothing to do with being upfront honest and decent, they just like shagging around/talking to lots of people/ having emotional affairs, but also like the benefits of a relationship, and online dating means that they are more likely to find someone who will bite or also enjoys that kind of lifestyle. Polygamy comes with plenty of deception and there’s nothing ethical about it. Unlikely they are going to be discussing a deep emotional connection they have with one of their f buddies with a primary partner, or that they just had better sex with someone else, or getting feelings for someone, or every time the hook up with someone, or always follow the various rules discussed with their partner. Who wants to end up with someone who’s already side eyeing others for fucks and always will be before you’ve even got started. It’s also an easier route for many of them to end up leaving for someone else. For polygamists a relationship is more like a business transaction as there are of course benefits to being paired up, when they use the word love it makes me giggle, the lack of emotional intelligence needed to be a polygamist means that their definition of love is much more a self involved thing, they are like small children in adult bodies. I dated one without knowing as he was “finding himself”, he was the most shallow person I ever met, sex wasn’t about love for him, it was just about bodies and his incessant need to attention from new sources. I’d say majority of polygamists are very likely highly narcissistic people.

Soiltypes · 28/12/2024 02:48

Whatisthisdamnednonsense · 27/12/2024 18:06

But they could write “non monogamous” on their profile, then it wouldn’t be cheating as everyone is in the picture.
I guess I am wondering if the kind of person who uses this ethical label is hoping that anyone reading it will assume they’re a better kind of shagger-arounder when in fact it’s just that plain old bed hopping has been rebranded!
Or am I too old and cynical?

well the older generations did give us the swinging 60's the modern era just rebranded it and added some sparkle to it,

Jazzjazzjazz · 28/12/2024 02:56

Also I watched a very interesting video the other day about narcissists view of self and sex. It focused on the male narcissist believing that they are the reward, hence why they will withold, cheat, etc, sex is not sacred and porn has projected the false fantasy image of women vying for their attention, when in fact they are not the reward, sex is meant to be a mutually rewarding and giving act based in love. Hence why so many male narcissists behave in sexually abhorrent ways, it is a combination of believing they are a reward, and also a deep need for attention from multiple sources rooted in unrealistic fantasies. So a lot of them will be out there attempting to create that dynamic for themselves. Most women could get sex easily on tap from multiple sources whereas most men could not- and that’s just a fact.

Bittenonce · 28/12/2024 04:54

Crushed23 · 27/12/2024 23:55

Is Sapiosexual where they mean they like intelligent women?

Like saying "I'm not like other guys, I won't just judge you on looks". That kind of thing?

Do women have these wanky terms in their dating profiles? Just curious.

Yeah, Sapiosexual is turned on by intelligence. A lot of women use this as well, I guess it’s easier than writing ‘If you can’t hold a conversation then don’t bother’.

PermanentTemporary · 28/12/2024 06:16

I've never forgotten the profile I read where someone described themselves as sapiosexual but spelled it wrong. Oh m8.

I know one woman who has been poly all her life..it is exactly as uninteresting as all other relationship types. I doubt that many of the OLD people who choose it from a drop down list are genuinely poly in any real sense.

Whatisthisdamnednonsense · 28/12/2024 08:53

Interesting comments @Jazzjazzjazz Thank you. I’m swerving all these labels as well as any who say that “vanilla is not their favourite ice cream “ 🙄

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womanwithissues · 28/12/2024 09:34

OP you've very clearly made your mind up about ENM and poly people from the start. Every comment you've made shows that. It's not for you. So move on. The negativity shown here is just ridiculous - there is an automatic judgment from most of you. Non-monogamy, swinging, open relationships, polyamory - they all require open minds to even consider them. And they've been around for decades. Instead of bad mouthing them, just swipe left and move on.

Xmaschoc · 28/12/2024 10:29

*womanwithissues yes because for the vast majority of women, we don’t want it. Or to be presented with it on dating and relationship apps. I’m so tired of being approached by couples for sex when it’s clear in my profile that I’m looking for a committed relationship or life partner. I find it gross and I’m entitled to my view as are others here. *

TwistedWonder · 28/12/2024 10:32

XChrome · 27/12/2024 20:34

Maybe you could edit your profile to stress that you are only interested in meeting monogamous men. Perhaps you won't get as many replies from fuck around guys.

Edited

Really that doesn’t stop them. We can have ‘looking for a long term monogamous relationship not interested in hook ups or FWB’ and we still get the ‘I know you said you don’t do hook ups but…….’ messages

womanwithissues · 28/12/2024 10:45

Xmaschoc · 28/12/2024 10:29

*womanwithissues yes because for the vast majority of women, we don’t want it. Or to be presented with it on dating and relationship apps. I’m so tired of being approached by couples for sex when it’s clear in my profile that I’m looking for a committed relationship or life partner. I find it gross and I’m entitled to my view as are others here. *

Never said that other opinions weren't allowed. But most people on this thread have just dismissed something they know nothing about. Apparently looking up "sapiosexual" on Google is too difficult for some. IMO, very definition of entitled is insisting that men on dating apps aren't even allowed to say what they're looking for.

Shubbypubby · 28/12/2024 10:55

At least you can weed them out early- like those "figuring it out" or looking for "fun" or "friends". If you want a serious long term relationship, only date those men who are clear about wanting the same thing.

Bettyboo111 · 28/12/2024 11:09

womanwithissues · 28/12/2024 10:45

Never said that other opinions weren't allowed. But most people on this thread have just dismissed something they know nothing about. Apparently looking up "sapiosexual" on Google is too difficult for some. IMO, very definition of entitled is insisting that men on dating apps aren't even allowed to say what they're looking for.

It is because despite choosing a clear option men still attempt a pass at a woman who is quite clearly just wanting an LTR.
They're just asking for a shag, disguising that with an abbreviation of letters is manipulative.

womanwithissues · 28/12/2024 11:16

ENM isn't just "wanting a shag". It can co-exist with a long term relationship. I acknowledge that some guys take the mick. They always have one way or another and it's much more likely on free apps like Bumble. They've always attracted people who will lie, play games and ghost. Those looking genuinely for a LTR would be better off with a decent paid app/site.

PontiacFirebird · 28/12/2024 11:38

I guess it just represents the triumph of hope over reality? Most men like the idea of a harem of laydees gagging for their attentions... the fact that very few of them will ever manage to engineer this doesn't seem to deter them, the poor things.
Honestly, if I ever am single again I will not be on any apps. I'll just go and lurk around places men congregate in numbers ( Toolstation? Prog rock gigs?🤔😝) looking available.

womanwithissues · 28/12/2024 12:03

PontiacFirebird · 28/12/2024 11:38

I guess it just represents the triumph of hope over reality? Most men like the idea of a harem of laydees gagging for their attentions... the fact that very few of them will ever manage to engineer this doesn't seem to deter them, the poor things.
Honestly, if I ever am single again I will not be on any apps. I'll just go and lurk around places men congregate in numbers ( Toolstation? Prog rock gigs?🤔😝) looking available.

Maybe stand in B&Q looking helpless 😁

HorrorFan81 · 28/12/2024 12:16

I have a very good female friend into ENM and there is whole WORLD of people out there living this way. There may be a few people on mainstream dating apps who don't really understand the term and who are using it in ignorance but for many people it's a definite lifestyle choice. For my friend, who left a miserable monogamous relationship last year, I've never seen someone so happy with their sex and dating life. I would say there tend to be specialised apps where people with similar interests outside the societal norm find each other so it's alot more common than you'd think

I think its fair enough to perhaps question the intentions of people on mainstream dating apps claiming they are looking for ENM (but many of them are probably genuine) but it's pretty ignorant to judge ENM and polyamory as a genuine lifestyle choice

relecat · 28/12/2024 12:28

I don’t understand the pearl clutching puritan horror. Someone has set out what they want. It doesn’t match what you want. Move on.
Why start a witch hunt?
If this was in reverse, with men shaming women about their stated sexual desires, the responses would be VERY different.

Accidentallyrude · 28/12/2024 20:54

I am heartened by people coming on to say yes, ENM and polyamory are real things. OP asked me what did I mean when I said it "demands personal evolution" - well it's illustrated by the people on this thread saying things like "Who’d be looking for someone who's looking out for the next person, eugh!" or assuming that someone who might want to have non exclusive relationships is automatically sleazy and trying to 'get one over' on their prospective partner or trick a woman into sex without having the intention of emotional commitment or good behaviour.

Those are quite lazy unexamined assumptions about why people connect with one another. Many people simply can't engage with the idea of trying something different, because to consider it brings the scary realisation that maybe they are living an unexamined and unfulfilled life...for no reason. So they try to shut it down or dismiss it as greedy or sleazy.

All of us have an automatic set of assumptions about sex and relationships which bears examination.

I think we all, in relationships or not, should put effort into working out what really bothers us about someone we love being with someone else. For some people, they do this work, examine their beliefs and think ultimately monogamy is best (which in many cases it is). That's great! Then there is a deep choice to keep one thing (sex) between you and one partner, usually a spouse.

But for many other folks, they simply haven't examined what monogamy is and why it is important - even, if it is important. There's a kneejerk spasm of pain when you imagine your DH with someone else. A kneejerk feeling of guilt when you imagine being with someone else and not DH. ENM people have sat with those feelings and worked out where they come from. The Polysecure book mentioned above is a really good example of learning- it helps you work out your attachment style and what exactly you're afraid of when you let go of someone you love.

Personally I enjoy the journey that me and DH have been on - it's not just about having constant kinky sex with everyone (though even that is much easier to do outside of a marriage, usually, see Mating In Captivity). It's about knowing that the level of honesty DH and I have now shared, we could never have dreamed of sharing before. And I feel proud that I have conquered possessiveness and him spending time and feeling love and sexy excitement with others does not leave me feeling abandoned. I know the reason he lives with me and loves me is not just because we "have to" or because that's how society says we have to meet our needs. I know what he wants and I am impressed that he has conquered shame enough to say it to me, and that I am able to conquer shame enough to seek what I want with others too.

I'm also really good now at winnowing out sleazebags, after doing this ENM for 10 years. It's simply uninteresting and unsexy for me now to be with someone who has limited insight into themselves. It's like papering over the cracks and all the sexy trappings and flirting can't hide it. It becomes obvious.

As I said, lots of people haven't done the work and approach ENM in not skilful ways or are juat using it to mean "want quick sex".

But look at everyone monogamous! Are all of them being completely honest and doing work on themselves and their own emotional ability to love? Are all of them going into relationships in completely good faith, sharing any reservations with their partners and being utterly honest about their deepest desires?

I reckon it's probably about the same proportion of sleazebags/people lying to themselves and pretending to be happy when they are not, in ENM, as in the population at large.

XChrome · 28/12/2024 21:22

@Accidentallyrude
Sorry, but much of what you say is not factual and is a rationalization for your lifestyle. Sexual jealousy and mate guarding are not a "knee jerk" reaction of people who don't examine their feelings. These are normal human reactions to a threat of loss. They have an evolutionary basis.
How possessive you tend to be can actually be hereditary as well.
So you aren't more evolved because you've allegedly "conquered" an evolutionary imperative. It's self deception to think so. The condescension in your post which implies monogamous people are unthinking morons who refuse to examine their feelings is nonsense. If you are secure in your lifestyle you don't need to rationalize it with fact free claims and patronizing assumptions about others.

Yes, most people, whether monogamous or not, don't examine their feelings. ENM people aren't superior at doing this.
The fear of losing a mate is not a feeling that needs to be examined anyway. It is normal and healthy, unless the mate is an asshole who is not worth having, in which case it absolutely needs to be examined and the mate needs to be dumped, which will be painful, but is necessary.
Losing a loved one hurts even if that person sucks. It is completely normal to fear losing a mate to another person whether you are monogamous or not. Jealousy is human. Face it.

womanwithissues · 28/12/2024 21:46

XChrome · 28/12/2024 21:22

@Accidentallyrude
Sorry, but much of what you say is not factual and is a rationalization for your lifestyle. Sexual jealousy and mate guarding are not a "knee jerk" reaction of people who don't examine their feelings. These are normal human reactions to a threat of loss. They have an evolutionary basis.
How possessive you tend to be can actually be hereditary as well.
So you aren't more evolved because you've allegedly "conquered" an evolutionary imperative. It's self deception to think so. The condescension in your post which implies monogamous people are unthinking morons who refuse to examine their feelings is nonsense. If you are secure in your lifestyle you don't need to rationalize it with fact free claims and patronizing assumptions about others.

Yes, most people, whether monogamous or not, don't examine their feelings. ENM people aren't superior at doing this.
The fear of losing a mate is not a feeling that needs to be examined anyway. It is normal and healthy, unless the mate is an asshole who is not worth having, in which case it absolutely needs to be examined and the mate needs to be dumped, which will be painful, but is necessary.
Losing a loved one hurts even if that person sucks. It is completely normal to fear losing a mate to another person whether you are monogamous or not. Jealousy is human. Face it.

Jealousy may be human, but it's a very toxic trait that people would do well to examine more closely. Its not normal and healthy to be fearful of "losing your mate". I don't see anything in @Accidentallyrude's post that is condescending towards monogamous people. I see that attitude in your post though. It's very defensive.

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