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Really worried about my relationship with my daughter...

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TiredTeacherToday · 22/12/2024 08:29

My daughter is 18 and came home from university for Christmas last weekend.

She has always had quite a volatile personality and, although we've always been close, her mood has tended to dictate the atmosphere in the house at times. She can switch from delightful, reasonable, personable and loving in one second to the opposite in an instant without warning. There are no tangible or predictable 'triggers'. She switches without warning and once the black cloud/red mist has descended there's no way of de-escalating.

I'm a teacher, I know how to de-escalate a dysregulated child - what to and not to say and do - and how not to escalate it further but it's never been easy. This improved massively once her A Levels were over and she had matured hugely over the last 6 months before turning 18. We had a really lovely summer with relatively little conflict.

However, she has one friendship that seems to bring out the worst in her. I am NOT blaming this friend for my daughter's choices or behaviours but they are worse when she has been with her.

They have been friends with since starting secondary school. I don't really know her because she hadn't been round to the house at all until this summer. There are many reasons for this and none are because she hasn't been welcome. They are mainly because my daughter has wanted to keep some distance between her friend and her family. I'm only describing her circumstances because they feel relevant and give context to my daughter's behaviours. NOT because I am judging her based upon them.

Her friend is a very troubled young woman and has been dealt a really shit hand by life - she was removed from her parents care at 3 months old (drug use, DV and chaotic lifestyles. One parent and an older sibling are in prison). She has spent her teenage years being hospitalised for suicide attempts, absconding from care, moving children's homes etc.

She left care at 18 (she's just recently turned 19) and was allocated a room in supported accommodation - like a halfway house towards independence for careleavers. She left school with no qualifications but found a job. My daughter and another friend helped to make her room homely. She was really excited about a fresh start and it all seemed really promising. This was the first time I met her.

However, she only stayed there a few weeks before losing the room because she left. Ultimately, she is a very lost little girl who has experienced deep trauma and is desperate to be loved. She absconded from her various children's homes and this accommodation because she travels across the country to find her birth mother. Her mother moves between HMOs and areas and has no stability so she can't live with her. She has since left two more accommodations for the same reason.

Since leaving school, the disparity in their lives has become more amplified and more apparent.

Her friend has now moved to a completely different area of the country and in with her boyfriend of 6 or 7 weeks and his dad and I'll admit, I'm very concerned for her welfare. She's had a couple.of pregnancy 'scares' since my daughter left and a few of the girls she was in care with have had babies since leaving care - at least one has been removed and another is on a CP Plan - and she has talked about creating her own family. It's terribly sad and my daughter is understandably concerned that she is intending to become pregnant and can see how much their paths have diverged. She is very worried about her friend.

Her friend's life now centres around the 'drama' associated with a trauma informed chaotic lifestyle - bouts of homelessness; problems with benefits; problems with 'the social'; hers and her other friends' dysfunctional and often abusive relationships; day drinking; her pregnancy scares and her other friends' involvement with CP SWs; and her (understandable) anger towards her mother. There isn't much fun in her life. It's all bouncing from one crisis to the next, conflict, hostility and confrontation and her experiences are really the only conversation she has. Like I said, she is surviving. Not living. This is her normal and it's terrible.

So how does this impact the relationship between my daughter and me?

Well, when they have spent time together, my daughter expresses the same level of anger, aggression and hostility towards me as her friend does towards her own mother and 'authority figures' in her life. She can't seem to separate their different experiences.

She reacts to really inocuous things I say to her angrily and with hostility. She uses 'fighting talk' when she engages with me, and it comes out of nowhere. Eg she went out with this friend the other day to do chrostmas shopping and buy some toys for our pet (my daughter has really missed him while away). They both came back to the house and showed me what they'd bought. All full of happiness and fun - just like two 18/19 year olds who have spent a nice afternoon together.

One of the toys, our pet already has so, after saying all the right things about everything and it all being lovely and nice, I suggested she put that one toy away until he the other needed replacing expecting her to say, "Oh, ok. No problem." Instead, she unnecessarily argued with me that he didn't already have one and then started 'posturing' and accusing me of trying to be a 'bigman' (which, my son tells me, is language used by certain groups of people when they are spoiling for a fight). Just out of the blue and unnecessarily aggressive. She went upstairs and sent me texts telling me she wasn't coming home at Easter and as soon as she was out of university, I'd never have to see her again. She didn't speak to me for nearly 24 hours. She frequently threatens going nc with me.

I checked the time stamps of her messages telling me they were in a taxi 5 mins from home and the one of her telling me she wasn't coming home at Easter and there were 11 minutes between them.

I have no problem with her moaning about me to her friends - we all do that. But she also talks to her older brother and he is also very concerned.

He says that the person she describes when talking to him about me isn't one he recognises at all. He doesn't ever tell me what she's said, because she speaks to him in confidence, but he has said it has gone way beyond gripes about me reminding her to keep her room tidy and she speaks about me quite venomously. And with all the anger and hostility her friend talks about her life. He describes it as though, when she has spent time with this friend and been exposed to her high conflict conversations and relationships she sees our relationship through the same lens. Yet, she has also told me that she knows this friendship won't survive long term because of her friend's dysfunctional world view.

I don't know what to do. After living without any conflict for 3 months, I'm finding its return quite difficult. I feel anxious all the time and, when I hear her key in the door, my heart pounds because I don't know which version of her I'm going to get, whether or not it's going to change or what's going to trigger it.

She's thriving at university - doing well on her course so far, has settled in well. She has a boyfriend who she describes as treating her well, lovely friends, has some great flatmates, has joined a couple of clubs, and has a part time job she can return to in the holidays. We speak on the phone and message each other.

She worked hard to save for university and is is loving the independence. I'm so bloody proud of her and I have told her so.

But she's come home and I feel like I'm living in Trainspotting. It's gone way beyond normal returning from university and being an arse-ness.

I don't know what to do but I'm really concerned that the narrative she has created in her head is the one she will remember. She's battling an adversary who only exists in her imagination!

She refuses to do anything family related with us (and has for some.time now). But then accuses me of not including her. She is creating a narrative of dysfunction that no one else recognises.

I'm worried that, we won't reach the other side of this because she will have withdrawn from me so much and created such a distance that she won't know how to get back.

I don't know what to do.

I'm really sorry this is so long!

OP posts:
TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 22:00

You can’t easily cook with them because they find it hard to concentrate and they feel physically uncomfortable sharing spaces with people who are touching things around them.

That's true. Her discomfort is palpable.

OP posts:
ThatKhakiMoose · 24/12/2024 23:25

TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 22:00

You can’t easily cook with them because they find it hard to concentrate and they feel physically uncomfortable sharing spaces with people who are touching things around them.

That's true. Her discomfort is palpable.

Lots of people don't like others in the kitchen when they're cooking, including me. (I find they interfere with the way I want to do things.) I meant the fact that OP isn't even allowed to look in her daughter's direction. That's so, so awful.

OP, I don't know what your relationship with your ex is like, but can he have a word with her? She's being extremely abusive, and I'm not sure that that's ND behaviour.

Edit: I know she's only 18 now, but the sooner she's done with uni and is fully independent, the better for all your sakes, it seems. At least she's away part of the time now. Maybe you'll just have to ride it out until she graduates and gets a job. Then maybe you could downsize, with one bedroom for you and a guest room, and then she won't have yours to come home to anyway, except for short visits.

Fluffycloudsfloatinginthesky · 25/12/2024 07:17

@Lemonbreath

That's interesting. My daughter is the same. When it's her turn to empty the dishwasher we all have to leave the kitchen. Same when she wants to cook her dinner. She doesn't like other people around her when she does those things. If it's a simple put something in the airfryer I can be there but not anything more.

Another thing to add to the list of things that justify why I think she needs a referral.

theallotmentqueen · 25/12/2024 08:22

Hi, 22 yo here. This is NOT normal behaviour for an 18 yo. This doesn’t just sound like rude behaviour, I think she’s being abusive towards you. I understand there are 2 sides to every story, but from what you’ve told me this isn’t ok. I would genuinely suggest sitting down and having a conversation with her and asking what is going on. I’d also directly tell her that her behaviour really really hurts you deeply, makes you feel constantly ok edge and like you’re walking on eggshells. She might be genuinely struggling with something and taking it out on you, or even suffering with something like BPD (I am absolutely not a diagnostician so a shot in the dark). Don’t do it in an accusatory way (although it doesn’t sound like you’re doing that at all), do in an an exploration sort of way- as in, you love her and want to know why she’s exploding at you because it hurts you that she’s unkind, and it hurts you that she’s in pain.

I personally would also consider family therapy. It sounds like her behaviour is affecting all of you and it might really benefit the family dynamic if you talk it out.

Lemonbreath · 06/01/2025 11:02

How is it going with your daughter now OP?

I had a fairly stable Christmas with mine as the stress was over once it was in swing, it’s the lead up she can’t handle. She likes routine. However we did fall out once as she was angry I bought her a much more expensive present than she bought me and she struggled to accept it without reciprocating (which I didn’t want).

I’ve booked us a little trip this year (2 days one night) for some bonding time and this went down well with her (I did ask her first if she wanted to go) but I have learnt my lesson that more than 1 night is too much for her out of her routine and stuck with me! She also gets very stressed with travel arrangements as highly anxious about missing timings so she needs a lot of reassurance and this can get a bit wearing.

I hope your break was ok and you got some time with your DD

Showerflowers · 06/01/2025 12:10

I've read through all the comments in your post op and so many resonated for me.

My dd is autistic. She hasn't always had it easy. School trauma, bullying and health problems. I've supported her through these. I got her into a good specialist provision school and fought hard to get her the medical help she's needed to be stable health wise.

Our home life is and always has been pretty normal. Me and her dad are together, happy, nice home, stability. She's referred to it as boring lol. She had a very good relationship with her older sibling. She's wanted for nothing.

But over the years we've noticed a pattern. Her ASD makes her become quite obsessive with her relationship/friendships. Her first bf came from quite a dysfunctional home where his mom didn't really care much about him. Quite quickly dd adopted the same attitudes that he had towards his family. I became the horrible mum who didn't care about her. That relationship ended and she then became quite fixated on an older girl. Absolutely lovely girl but quite troubled. Mental health issues and drug use. My dd quite openly would admire her and wanted to be like her. The hair, clothes etc were soon adopted by my dd and I was then the controlling mum (the friends mum was but for obvious reasons due to things this friend had got mixed up in). She began to self harm just like her friend. So the pattern began. Next close friend had an eating disorder, dd soon started being very restrictive with her food. I'm very glad that friendship didn't last long. Latest close friend is very calm and close to their family. Dd is actually spending time with us and enjoying our company. But we are very aware that the next friendship could change all this.

Older dd has pointed out this pattern of behaviour during the restrictive eating time to dd and she totally blew up in a rage and denied everything. Rewrote history. Called me abusive (it's always me btw, dad's fine) and I just felt so bloody awful and down.

So I've got no words of help or advice I'm afraid. But I'm so glad I came across this post just so I don't feel so bloody alone in the midst of it all.

DungareesTrombonesDinos · 06/01/2025 17:42

TiredTeacherToday · 22/12/2024 09:50

That's a fair comment!

Some.of the times though she is angry with me for things that someone else said or did.

Eg a few years ago her dad remarried and she was a bridesmaid. I got excited with her about her dress and her hair. We talked about how she felt about her dad remarrying - fine. No problems. But the night before she was so angry with me. Shouting, swearing, throwing insults around. The presenting problem was that none of her knickers were right to wear for the wedding. None of them were comfortable, the right size or the right colour and I was failing in my duty of care as her parent for failing to provide these. The emotional battering was intense.

And all the while, I tried to help her find a solution and tried to de-escalate the situation because I knew knickers weren't really the problem.

Because, in reality, her knickers were fine and she'd never complained before - she'd chosen most of them. The real problem was that she was anxious about being a bridesmaid, felt conflicted that her dad was getting married while I was still single, and was flooded with emotion and overwhelmed with the whole thing. My main focus was making sure she was ok and that she was fine by the time her dad picked her up so that he wasn't even aware of her upset the night before his wedding.

Believe me, I'm not sure that I'm always right. More that I'm not unaware. And I'm also aware that the presenting problem might not be the actual problem.

I reflect on things I've said and done. I apologise when I'm in the wrong. With both of my children, I have wanted to create a space where they could voice their own feelings and opinions and I'm not above criticism by any means.

I could have written this!! My DD takes absolutely everything out on me and I try my best to be calm but at times have got to say "I do not think your problem is with me." It makes her very angry but recently (she's nearly 20) she has been able to reflect and consider that i might be right.

She's had some chaotic friends too who absolutely influence her behaviour towards me and we sometimes say it's as if she is seeking chaos in our family life - there isn't much other than her Dad being a bell end. I don't know what this chaos she has craved would bring- attention? Dopamine? Gratification that i am the cow bag that she paints me as?

DD was diagnosed as Autistic at not quite 18 which makes perfect sense.

Sending solidarity, @TiredTeacherToday it is truly exhausting.

kittybiscuits · 09/01/2025 14:09

I wonder how many of these daughters have bellend dad's. Mine does. When we were together (and when separated) he actively undermined my relationship with DD. He never challenged her poor behaviour and always told her any issues were my fault, as he no doubt still does now. He's been a waste of space as a dad and she has told me she would never stand up to him or challenge him at all. She would be terrified of his reaction. I'm thinking about your 'I don't think your problem is with me' comment, @DungareesTrombonesDinos

DungareesTrombonesDinos · 09/01/2025 14:12

Absolutely @kittybiscuits and my DD is desperate for bell ends approval, even though he has been horrible to her for her whole life. Including challenging her ASC diagnosis and saying it was me pushing it 🙄 She's definitely worse with me when she's been around him and I have to step very carefully when speaking about him. Even though I'd love him to slip in the snow and land on his big know all head!

Lemonbreath · 09/01/2025 14:18

kittybiscuits · 09/01/2025 14:09

I wonder how many of these daughters have bellend dad's. Mine does. When we were together (and when separated) he actively undermined my relationship with DD. He never challenged her poor behaviour and always told her any issues were my fault, as he no doubt still does now. He's been a waste of space as a dad and she has told me she would never stand up to him or challenge him at all. She would be terrified of his reaction. I'm thinking about your 'I don't think your problem is with me' comment, @DungareesTrombonesDinos

Mine!

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