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Really worried about my relationship with my daughter...

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TiredTeacherToday · 22/12/2024 08:29

My daughter is 18 and came home from university for Christmas last weekend.

She has always had quite a volatile personality and, although we've always been close, her mood has tended to dictate the atmosphere in the house at times. She can switch from delightful, reasonable, personable and loving in one second to the opposite in an instant without warning. There are no tangible or predictable 'triggers'. She switches without warning and once the black cloud/red mist has descended there's no way of de-escalating.

I'm a teacher, I know how to de-escalate a dysregulated child - what to and not to say and do - and how not to escalate it further but it's never been easy. This improved massively once her A Levels were over and she had matured hugely over the last 6 months before turning 18. We had a really lovely summer with relatively little conflict.

However, she has one friendship that seems to bring out the worst in her. I am NOT blaming this friend for my daughter's choices or behaviours but they are worse when she has been with her.

They have been friends with since starting secondary school. I don't really know her because she hadn't been round to the house at all until this summer. There are many reasons for this and none are because she hasn't been welcome. They are mainly because my daughter has wanted to keep some distance between her friend and her family. I'm only describing her circumstances because they feel relevant and give context to my daughter's behaviours. NOT because I am judging her based upon them.

Her friend is a very troubled young woman and has been dealt a really shit hand by life - she was removed from her parents care at 3 months old (drug use, DV and chaotic lifestyles. One parent and an older sibling are in prison). She has spent her teenage years being hospitalised for suicide attempts, absconding from care, moving children's homes etc.

She left care at 18 (she's just recently turned 19) and was allocated a room in supported accommodation - like a halfway house towards independence for careleavers. She left school with no qualifications but found a job. My daughter and another friend helped to make her room homely. She was really excited about a fresh start and it all seemed really promising. This was the first time I met her.

However, she only stayed there a few weeks before losing the room because she left. Ultimately, she is a very lost little girl who has experienced deep trauma and is desperate to be loved. She absconded from her various children's homes and this accommodation because she travels across the country to find her birth mother. Her mother moves between HMOs and areas and has no stability so she can't live with her. She has since left two more accommodations for the same reason.

Since leaving school, the disparity in their lives has become more amplified and more apparent.

Her friend has now moved to a completely different area of the country and in with her boyfriend of 6 or 7 weeks and his dad and I'll admit, I'm very concerned for her welfare. She's had a couple.of pregnancy 'scares' since my daughter left and a few of the girls she was in care with have had babies since leaving care - at least one has been removed and another is on a CP Plan - and she has talked about creating her own family. It's terribly sad and my daughter is understandably concerned that she is intending to become pregnant and can see how much their paths have diverged. She is very worried about her friend.

Her friend's life now centres around the 'drama' associated with a trauma informed chaotic lifestyle - bouts of homelessness; problems with benefits; problems with 'the social'; hers and her other friends' dysfunctional and often abusive relationships; day drinking; her pregnancy scares and her other friends' involvement with CP SWs; and her (understandable) anger towards her mother. There isn't much fun in her life. It's all bouncing from one crisis to the next, conflict, hostility and confrontation and her experiences are really the only conversation she has. Like I said, she is surviving. Not living. This is her normal and it's terrible.

So how does this impact the relationship between my daughter and me?

Well, when they have spent time together, my daughter expresses the same level of anger, aggression and hostility towards me as her friend does towards her own mother and 'authority figures' in her life. She can't seem to separate their different experiences.

She reacts to really inocuous things I say to her angrily and with hostility. She uses 'fighting talk' when she engages with me, and it comes out of nowhere. Eg she went out with this friend the other day to do chrostmas shopping and buy some toys for our pet (my daughter has really missed him while away). They both came back to the house and showed me what they'd bought. All full of happiness and fun - just like two 18/19 year olds who have spent a nice afternoon together.

One of the toys, our pet already has so, after saying all the right things about everything and it all being lovely and nice, I suggested she put that one toy away until he the other needed replacing expecting her to say, "Oh, ok. No problem." Instead, she unnecessarily argued with me that he didn't already have one and then started 'posturing' and accusing me of trying to be a 'bigman' (which, my son tells me, is language used by certain groups of people when they are spoiling for a fight). Just out of the blue and unnecessarily aggressive. She went upstairs and sent me texts telling me she wasn't coming home at Easter and as soon as she was out of university, I'd never have to see her again. She didn't speak to me for nearly 24 hours. She frequently threatens going nc with me.

I checked the time stamps of her messages telling me they were in a taxi 5 mins from home and the one of her telling me she wasn't coming home at Easter and there were 11 minutes between them.

I have no problem with her moaning about me to her friends - we all do that. But she also talks to her older brother and he is also very concerned.

He says that the person she describes when talking to him about me isn't one he recognises at all. He doesn't ever tell me what she's said, because she speaks to him in confidence, but he has said it has gone way beyond gripes about me reminding her to keep her room tidy and she speaks about me quite venomously. And with all the anger and hostility her friend talks about her life. He describes it as though, when she has spent time with this friend and been exposed to her high conflict conversations and relationships she sees our relationship through the same lens. Yet, she has also told me that she knows this friendship won't survive long term because of her friend's dysfunctional world view.

I don't know what to do. After living without any conflict for 3 months, I'm finding its return quite difficult. I feel anxious all the time and, when I hear her key in the door, my heart pounds because I don't know which version of her I'm going to get, whether or not it's going to change or what's going to trigger it.

She's thriving at university - doing well on her course so far, has settled in well. She has a boyfriend who she describes as treating her well, lovely friends, has some great flatmates, has joined a couple of clubs, and has a part time job she can return to in the holidays. We speak on the phone and message each other.

She worked hard to save for university and is is loving the independence. I'm so bloody proud of her and I have told her so.

But she's come home and I feel like I'm living in Trainspotting. It's gone way beyond normal returning from university and being an arse-ness.

I don't know what to do but I'm really concerned that the narrative she has created in her head is the one she will remember. She's battling an adversary who only exists in her imagination!

She refuses to do anything family related with us (and has for some.time now). But then accuses me of not including her. She is creating a narrative of dysfunction that no one else recognises.

I'm worried that, we won't reach the other side of this because she will have withdrawn from me so much and created such a distance that she won't know how to get back.

I don't know what to do.

I'm really sorry this is so long!

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TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 07:49

metoofour your post has given.pause for thought though.

My daughter is a very strong, capable and independent young woman. She always has been. She used to amuse me because she is far.more organised and less chaotic than me. Eg she buys birthday cards for friends and family at the start.of the year and has spares in case she needs them. She's done that since she was around 12.

I stayed single after their dad and I separated because she struggled in the early days and we had some other wider family issues (I lost both my parents very close together shortly afterwards) and I felt they both needed stability and for me.to be present. So I was a single parent for years.

I've been with my partner for 3 years. We don't live together but it's a solid relationship. Both my children said they were happy I'd found someone and I learnt that she had been very worried about me and who was going to look after me when they'd left home/I was older.

I think seeing me as vulnerable scared her and she felt a responsibility towards me that I wasn't aware of.

She worked and volunteered throughout her A Levels and still came out with better grades than everyone else in the family.

She's a force to be reckoned with really but maybe seeing me as vulnerable or 'weak' at various points has affected her?

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Lemonbreath · 24/12/2024 08:02

@TiredTeacherToday I know I keep jumping in but my DD has told me this is a source of her stress in therapy. She feels responsible for me. I’ve never asked her to do anything but she is the older one and saw me vulnerable (I was a young mum). She has always tried to parent her younger sister which caused tension between them. I try really hard since then not to put any unfair responsibility on her but she has taken on that role. Thing is they don’t have that role at their dad’s house so home probably is a bit more stressful.

whyhere · 24/12/2024 08:09

So much has been written, with so much pain and a lot of good sense.

Definitely sounds as though the darling daughter is on the autistic spectrum, probably at what we used to call the Asperger's end....

It will get better.

TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 08:44

Yesterday was a particularly tough day though.

I saw her on Sunday morning when she said she was going to her friend's for the day, and I went out. I asked if she was coming home or staying out. She said she didn't know but would keep in touch.

I didn't hear from her but her brother told me late evening that she'd gone to her dad's afterwards and was staying over.

I'm aware she's an adult and so I don't expect to be kept informed of her every move but we do generally tell each other if we're staying out overnight out of courtesy.

Anyway, by yesterday morning, she hadn't responded to my brothers messages confirming their lunch plans (it had been a bit of a last minute arrangement with a few proposed options, so nothing was definite).

He contacted me about it and I told him she wasn't at home and I didn't know anything of the plans. He didn't want to drive an hour to mine only to find she wasn't here especially as the plans were unconfirmed so he waited at home to hear from her.

She eventually got in touch with him and lunch happened but with a couple of changes (on his end) to the proposed plan due to the fact he left his house a bit later after waiting for confirmation.

I stayed out of it because they're both adults and they weren't my plans but the first I heard from her was a message accusing me of being responsible for the changes to the plans and slagging her off to her uncle.

She got home,.walked in the house and the first and only thing she said was, "What's the matter with you? What's your problem?"

I told her I didn't have a problem, I was just making a cup of tea. Because I was.

She went upstairs and didn't speak to me again before leaving but did text to ask if I wanted her to spend Christmas day at home or go to her dad's.

I replied and said that I hoped she'd spend the day at home, I love her and we haven't really seen each other since she's been back but that it was ultimately up to her and, if her dad has invited her too, it was her choice. I know her dad emotionally manipulates and guilt trips her so I feel i have to be fairly 'low demand' to counter the stress she feels from that.

She didn't reply and left when my brother arrived to pick her up. She shouted goodbye through my bedroom door and I went out and hugged her and told I loved her.

Whilst they were out, I went into to town to do some last Christmas shopping but, tbh, I just didn't feel it and I'm embarrassed to admit I only lasted an hour, the tension didn't leave me and I just ended up in town crying. It was crowded amd full of happy people laughing and spending time with their families. And I was just carrying around this huge heaviness and sadness. Probably sounds dramatic but it all just got to me a bit.

The next bit is what really upset me.

She came back from lunch with her uncle and cousin and they all came in for tea and cake. We had a lovely couple of hours! My partner arrived and we all sat around chatting and laughing. My daughter sat next to me on the sofa and snuggled up next to me. I had my arm around her and it was all lovely. I really hoped that that would draw a line under the weekend's hostilities. It was lovely and she texted me (whilst all together) to say she was going to spend Christmas at home.

But then my brother and niece left and she immediately changed. Her face dropped, the 'dead eyes' returned and everything i said she sneered at and even managed to get in a dig about me not liking her friend and accusing me.of thinking she would.end up being a waster like her. Her friend hadn't even been on my mind and I don't think she's a waster. I actually think she's a very troubled girl who has been severely let down. She's also very sweet and i can see why my daughter likes her.

So she left for work full of anger and aggression towards me thar, again, had come out of nowhere.

I just felt like the whole being nice when my brother was there was an act and I felt stupid for falling for it or having any hope we might have moved on.

So it's now Tuesday - Christmas Eve and she is still angry with me because a) she bought a duplicate pet toy on Friday and b) she has decided I hate her friend. I don't. And, as my partner pointed out, she stayed over twice last week, I cooked dinner for her and chatted with them both on Thursday evening as I would have with any of her friends.

I'm just so disheartened by and sad about the whole thing and, if im honest, I'm dreading tomorrow.

I'm sorry that's long but it helps to think it through.

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TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 08:58

Lemonbreath · 24/12/2024 08:02

@TiredTeacherToday I know I keep jumping in but my DD has told me this is a source of her stress in therapy. She feels responsible for me. I’ve never asked her to do anything but she is the older one and saw me vulnerable (I was a young mum). She has always tried to parent her younger sister which caused tension between them. I try really hard since then not to put any unfair responsibility on her but she has taken on that role. Thing is they don’t have that role at their dad’s house so home probably is a bit more stressful.

Interesting.

I really appreciate you jumping in! 😁

It's really helpful to hear other people's experiences and insights.

I know it is hard for children who grow up experiencing 'parentification' but I've also never expected her to be responsible either.

But I couldn't hide the facts either - I was single for years so they grew up seeing me do everything, working full time, (almost) keeping on top of the house, doing all the extra curricular activities, dance shows, gymnastics competitions, parents evenings etc. They didn't have grandparents on my side, their dad and his family were a little unreliable so they saw me do everything unsupported.

It's interesting because my son told me he sees me as the strongest person he knows whereas my daughter only seems to resent my weakness based on the same circumstances.

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Newgirls · 24/12/2024 09:03

She might also be impacted by it being Christmas and the image of ‘perfect’ families everywhere. I hope this all eases afterwards for you all.

missod · 24/12/2024 09:08

OP! You are handing her all the power, seriously you need to take a big step back. Stop taking every oportunity to tell her you love her, it's just reinforcing to her how weak you are.

I'm frankly horrified that you allow her to speak to you like dirt, please, please put a stop to it. Honestly it's upsetting.

TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 09:18

Well, like I said, I don't know what to do for the best.

If I pull away then it confirms to her that I don't love her.

The childen who are the hardest to.love are the ones who need it the most and all that.

But, yes, she is an adult now and she needs to learn that she can't treat me like that.

It's jsit hard. I don't want to lose her but maybe that's not in my power to resist.

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missod · 24/12/2024 09:28

I posted as a gut reaction to your post OP. You sound so unhappy.

Do you deserve to be treated this way? Of course not!
Does she treat her father this way? Of course not, he wouldn't stand for it.

She's bullying you, because she can. That's not good for her.

TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 09:53

missod

Thanks. I'm frustrated by myself, her and the situation. I just don't know what to do for the best.

She's on a video chat with her brother at the moment so she's being lovely. And it feels normal but I've no idea what to expect when the call ends. But that's what makes it hard.

If she was my boyfriend, she'd have been dumped after this weekend.

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missod · 24/12/2024 10:05

'If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you've got'.

I heard this saying years ago OP.....from a doctor.

Secretriver · 24/12/2024 10:06

@metoofour Im sorry to learn of your diagnosis & hope you have external support (perhaps through McMillan/Maggies/health psychology or counselling). If it’s some small comfort I can share that when my husband had cancer dd was particularly vile to him (eg saying he would die anyway, it was really incredibly horrible). Although initially she also responded in a super thoughtful & ‘grown up’ way. That was a few years ago before we knew she was ND.

To a lesser extent she repeated the exact same pattern when he had to have more chemo earlier this year. It’s so difficult & hurtful to deal with, but to some extent I have found it a little bit helpful to see it through an overwhelm/anxiety/emotional processing lens. And I guess that’s what I meant in my earlier post about not knowing how much to understand it as that & concentrate more on low key ignoring/helping her when possible to be aware of the emotion & how she responds and how much to just say “that isn’t OK”.

@TiredTeacherToday In a similar vein I wondered whether all those difficult emotions about her Dad are pouring into the vitriol towards you. And the “melding” with the friend would encourage that whether she’s aware of it or not. I’m sorry to jump in again, particularly as obviously we don’t know if there’s ND. I just know that I really just didn’t see it for my dd, mostly because she was social and had/kept friends. It was clinicians from other services (due to school & other anxiety) that suggested waiting for an assessment & once they started asking the questions it was suddenly so obvious. We also have the extreme kitchen exclusion zone!

I know you’re probably not in a place to follow it up now but it may be helpful to think “as if” & see when that might be helpful. I definitely don’t try to “fix” as much stuff as I used to and look out for low level relationship nurturing stuff (eg making her favourite snack & then off) and I move away from the vitriol when it comes more. My mantra is “I don’t have to fix it, I just need to not make it worse” and a “stormy seas that pass” image (in case it’s helpful!)

sorry that was so long!

TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 10:21

Secretriver

That was so helpful. Thank you.

No, you're right, no ND diagnosed or even considered really but, as I say, it's in the family...

And, as a teacher, I find that whatever works for the children woth ASD als0 generally works with the children who are 'just a bit odd' so I'll take any advice I can get.

I already try to go down the "down fix but dot make it worse" path but I'll do it more contientiously now.

And ues I agree that her complex feelings around her father als0 feed into her feelings towards me.

Thank you for your insights!!

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RandomMess · 24/12/2024 11:38

I'm reading through many of the posts and think my DD is quite not as vile (at times) to me as DH & I are still together AND he has been a very involved parent.

I am still the scapegoat though.

She enjoyed the uncle and cousin visit but she masked the whole way through and let leash on you.

There is comfort knowing I am far from alone but what is evident is that there is little advice of what a parent can actually do to make a difference when you are already parenting "pretty well".

Interestingly I am VLC with my parents. They were completely emotionally void/unsupportive, zero support for my interests, constant criticism. I couldn't stand being around them, left for uni and never went back.There was also sibling SA I never disclosed to them.

As I said previously I only just have my ASD and ADHD diagnosis it explains a lot.

I tried to meet up with them a few times in the last 2 decades but honestly the impact on MH was too much.

My DDs seem more willing/happy to spend time with me so hopefully I did parent them better than I was (not difficult).

Tinselskirt · 24/12/2024 11:40

But then my brother and niece left and she immediately changed. Her face dropped, the 'dead eyes' returned and everything i said she sneered at and even managed to get in a dig about me not liking her friend and accusing me.of thinking she would.end up being a waster like her

Fuck me, reading that was like a punch in the gut and it took me straight back 20 years to a horribly abusive ex boyfriend i had who would do that.

If he was in a bad mood, he would be completely normal, loving, affectionate to me when everyone else was around so id have hope that everything was fine now. As soon as they'd gone, he would drop the act and id see it change in his eyes like a switch going off. He would go back to stonewalling me and wouldn't even look me in the eye. Like everyone else was worthy of respect and i wasn't even worth looking at. It was an act for them so i soon learnt to dread being left on my own with him because now i can see i had no control over what version of him i was going to get. It didn't stop me fawning though. Took me years to get over his mental abuse.

I don't know what you do when it's your daughter who makes you feel like this but honestly it sounds like you've given everything to her, you've done your best for this girl.

A therapist told me once that all we can do is our best with the resources we have. Even if your dd feels you've somehow let her down, i think you had an incredibly difficult time of it being alone and doing everything by yourself. It's clear you love your dcs so much that there's no way you would have done less than the absolute best you could have done at any given moment. If your best fell short of what your dd wanted or expected, well life isn't perfect and maybe she needs to get older to understand and appreciate you. I think you might need to distance yourself from it all as you've said - you've tried everything else.

TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 13:25

There is comfort knowing I am far from alone but what is evident is that there is little advice of what a parent can actually do to make a difference when you are already parenting "pretty well".

This is what is so frustrating.

I said to my partner that, if I shouted at her or we actually argued, I could make changes but it's hard to hear that maybe I haven't done enough of that!

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TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 13:28

Tinselskirt · 24/12/2024 11:40

But then my brother and niece left and she immediately changed. Her face dropped, the 'dead eyes' returned and everything i said she sneered at and even managed to get in a dig about me not liking her friend and accusing me.of thinking she would.end up being a waster like her

Fuck me, reading that was like a punch in the gut and it took me straight back 20 years to a horribly abusive ex boyfriend i had who would do that.

If he was in a bad mood, he would be completely normal, loving, affectionate to me when everyone else was around so id have hope that everything was fine now. As soon as they'd gone, he would drop the act and id see it change in his eyes like a switch going off. He would go back to stonewalling me and wouldn't even look me in the eye. Like everyone else was worthy of respect and i wasn't even worth looking at. It was an act for them so i soon learnt to dread being left on my own with him because now i can see i had no control over what version of him i was going to get. It didn't stop me fawning though. Took me years to get over his mental abuse.

I don't know what you do when it's your daughter who makes you feel like this but honestly it sounds like you've given everything to her, you've done your best for this girl.

A therapist told me once that all we can do is our best with the resources we have. Even if your dd feels you've somehow let her down, i think you had an incredibly difficult time of it being alone and doing everything by yourself. It's clear you love your dcs so much that there's no way you would have done less than the absolute best you could have done at any given moment. If your best fell short of what your dd wanted or expected, well life isn't perfect and maybe she needs to get older to understand and appreciate you. I think you might need to distance yourself from it all as you've said - you've tried everything else.

Thank you and that is exactly pw I feel about it tbh. Like I said, I'd she was my boyfriend I'd have dumped her after this weekend!

This morning, she has been utterly delightful.

I try to capitalise on it when she's like that because I hope I can keep it going a bit longer this time... but it doesn't last.

And, yes, I know how that sounds.

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RandomMess · 24/12/2024 13:30

In therapy I was told I need to be a "good enough" parent and it's ok to get it wrong sometimes and it's ok for them to see you have feelings etc.

So difficult to know if it's with the risk of showing how much her behaviour is hurting you at times.

🤷🏽‍♀️

Tinselskirt · 24/12/2024 14:12

TiredTeacherToday · 24/12/2024 13:28

Thank you and that is exactly pw I feel about it tbh. Like I said, I'd she was my boyfriend I'd have dumped her after this weekend!

This morning, she has been utterly delightful.

I try to capitalise on it when she's like that because I hope I can keep it going a bit longer this time... but it doesn't last.

And, yes, I know how that sounds.

It makes it very hard to address things because when they're in a good mood, the last thing you want to do is try and hold them accountable for their actions because that good mood will be gone in a flash. I used to just feel pathetically grateful that he had decided to move on so i thought i better not rock the boat.

Pleasegivemeyourwisdom · 24/12/2024 14:43

I think you sound like a lovely mum and your daughter sounds neurodiverse. I speak from experience. Sending you one of my legendary big squishy hugs, they make people feel better, they really do x

goody2shooz · 24/12/2024 15:32

@TiredTeacherToday have you asked her why she ‘hates’ you? Or is she so busy telling you all the ways that there’s no point…. What would happen if you suggested that, as she finds you so awful, you agree that it might be best for HER if she stayed with her df next holiday? (Yes I know that she has no room at her df) It must be so incredibly frustrating being a decent parent and getting this abuse back, especially when the df isn’t but he gets the nice side of her. Seems you can’t win whatever you do.

Lemonbreath · 24/12/2024 15:35

@TiredTeacherToday Same my younger daughter tells me the same thing. There is a lot to do with their relationship with their father at play here

I take a good day or moment at face value now and treasure it as they don’t happen too often.

You do not need to pull away, you just need to stop over compensating and trying too hard. We all want that validation of them listening to us and hearing us, I don’t think it’s going to happen at this stage. Maybe one day. Some of the pushy behaviour is like a small child pushing a boundary isn’t it. If I show her any of my feelings she will run a mile I don’t think she can cope with me being upset, frustrated or anything, she likes me happy and amicable but to me it feels very bland and not my true personality. I do have my DD2 for a different type of relationship though

ThatKhakiMoose · 24/12/2024 17:25

"She always opts to make the roast potatoes but we can't do it together because she reacts badly to anyone else being in the kitchen with her or even going in to get a drink while she is in there. She loves cooking and is very good at it but we never cook together because she won't.
If I go in to make a drink, I have to announce I'm coming in but not look at her and I deliberately don't even glance in her direction or she flips. I can go in if i announce it but she wil stop whatever she is doing until I have left.
We don't do anything together because she refuses."

OP, your daughter is an abuser, plain and simple. I'd bet the farm that she will treat her future spouse this way.

She sounds utterly foul. I think the only thing you can do is keep her at arm's length. It's just heartbreaking to read about someone treating their own mum this way. She's so horrible to you that you cried in town. I wish I could give you a hug.

Lemonbreath · 24/12/2024 18:57

@ThatKhakiMoose i don’t know OP’s daughter but my DD is the same. And other people say theirs is.

You can’t easily cook with them because they find it hard to concentrate and they feel physically uncomfortable sharing spaces with people who are touching things around them. I also have to leave the rooms if DD wants to use them as she says it makes her feel weird and stressed to be in a room with other person, she also knows this isn’t socially acceptable so around other people she tolerates it but still hates it. The living room is fine as no one is touching specific things. She has her own things and doesn’t like sharing them.

DD is texting me from her dad’s telling me she’s having a terrible time and hates it and wishes she was at home, but she won’t leave and I can’t help her. I assume I will suffer the fall out of this next time I do see her. I am just being supportive but very conscious of not saying the wrong thing

ThatKhakiMoose · 24/12/2024 21:46

Lemonbreath · 24/12/2024 18:57

@ThatKhakiMoose i don’t know OP’s daughter but my DD is the same. And other people say theirs is.

You can’t easily cook with them because they find it hard to concentrate and they feel physically uncomfortable sharing spaces with people who are touching things around them. I also have to leave the rooms if DD wants to use them as she says it makes her feel weird and stressed to be in a room with other person, she also knows this isn’t socially acceptable so around other people she tolerates it but still hates it. The living room is fine as no one is touching specific things. She has her own things and doesn’t like sharing them.

DD is texting me from her dad’s telling me she’s having a terrible time and hates it and wishes she was at home, but she won’t leave and I can’t help her. I assume I will suffer the fall out of this next time I do see her. I am just being supportive but very conscious of not saying the wrong thing

I'm so sorry, @Lemonbreath.

It sounds as if the sooner she can be independent and live on her own, the better for all your sakes.