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Child hates me having a girlfriend

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HopperDash · 18/11/2024 03:44

Hi. I'm a man reaching out for advice from a female perspective so please be gentle.

I am divorced and currently have sole custody of my teen daughter. I am 50 and have been seeing a lovely woman who is 38 for sometime. We get on great, however and understandably she is at an age where she would like to have children sooner than later. I am happy with this, I am a young 50 and very healthy for my age and a great Dad.

My daughter is already finding it hard for me to have a girlfriend and has stated that she doesn't want to meet her, let alone her living with me and the idea of me having another child and sibling would flip her out greatly. She's been crying a lot just me seeing someone and I feel awful.

I understand all of this as I'm all she has, her relationship with her Mum isn't good and they rarely see each other. I'm torn, as I definitely don't want to damage her or our relationship either, but also don't want to lose my girlfriend. In five years my daughter will be an adult and I don't want to be on my own so have had to be slightly selfish by seeing someone to begin with. It'll only get harder over time otherwise.

My child means everything to me and is not being capricious, merely I'm all she has and I think she can't bear me giving my love to someone else or losing me.

Any advice would be appreciated.

OP posts:
SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:29

Calliopespa · 21/11/2024 20:05

So maybe we take that reasoning you’ve espoused and say the op needs to just accept “ this is who lives here: the gf doesn’t, the imagined baby doesn’t . That’s who lives here, I’ll just get on with it.”

Or does the reasoning not apply in reverse? Is a grown man not able to access those reserves of sanguine acceptance so young children have to step up and manage it instead. Thought so …

Because children are stuck in a corner where they can’t change it.

It’s hypocritical, it’s bullying and it’s an example of the way of treating children that one would hope we have evolved beyond as a society.

I mean really candidly, no. Not in the situations I’ve seen personally anyway.

The general consensus between blended families within my family is that who lives there and what goes on in that house is on the adult’s terms.

Certainly my childhood home was ultimately my mother’s, she paid for it ran it, so I wouldn’t have had any control/input over who was in it.

Colourfulduvets · 21/11/2024 20:32

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:29

I mean really candidly, no. Not in the situations I’ve seen personally anyway.

The general consensus between blended families within my family is that who lives there and what goes on in that house is on the adult’s terms.

Certainly my childhood home was ultimately my mother’s, she paid for it ran it, so I wouldn’t have had any control/input over who was in it.

Guess we just have to agree to disagree on this one.

No way would I ever consider making my kids "just get on with it" if they were unhappy about me moving someone in to the house they also live in.

I wouldn't want one of their boyfriends living here either if I didn't get on with them & I would expect them to respect that too.

Fluufer · 21/11/2024 20:33

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:29

I mean really candidly, no. Not in the situations I’ve seen personally anyway.

The general consensus between blended families within my family is that who lives there and what goes on in that house is on the adult’s terms.

Certainly my childhood home was ultimately my mother’s, she paid for it ran it, so I wouldn’t have had any control/input over who was in it.

That sounds awful, and I can't believe you have happily repeated it.
It's rather sad that you both think this is normal and ok.

Calliopespa · 21/11/2024 20:34

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:29

I mean really candidly, no. Not in the situations I’ve seen personally anyway.

The general consensus between blended families within my family is that who lives there and what goes on in that house is on the adult’s terms.

Certainly my childhood home was ultimately my mother’s, she paid for it ran it, so I wouldn’t have had any control/input over who was in it.

So it comes down to who pays the bills and is on the title deed or lease?

ETA the reason adults are accorded a decisive role is because they are generally expected to have the maturity to understand what is in a child’s best interests. But when they start using that power to take decisions that aren’t in the child’s interest it becomes a destructive use of that power that perverts its justificatory basis.

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:36

Calliopespa · 21/11/2024 20:34

So it comes down to who pays the bills and is on the title deed or lease?

ETA the reason adults are accorded a decisive role is because they are generally expected to have the maturity to understand what is in a child’s best interests. But when they start using that power to take decisions that aren’t in the child’s interest it becomes a destructive use of that power that perverts its justificatory basis.

Edited

Like someone pointed out earlier, it maybe a generational thing.

But the upshot is it would have come down to who was in charge, and in our house it was (and is) my mother.

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:38

Fluufer · 21/11/2024 20:33

That sounds awful, and I can't believe you have happily repeated it.
It's rather sad that you both think this is normal and ok.

Sad how? I’m honestly not sad about it, I wasn’t in charge in my parent/child relationship growing up.

I’m a grown woman and frankly I’m still not. I make my own decisions now, sure, but I wouldn’t dream of questioning my mums.

Fluufer · 21/11/2024 20:41

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:38

Sad how? I’m honestly not sad about it, I wasn’t in charge in my parent/child relationship growing up.

I’m a grown woman and frankly I’m still not. I make my own decisions now, sure, but I wouldn’t dream of questioning my mums.

I think it's very sad that you think it's normal for parents to not consider their kids.

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:44

Fluufer · 21/11/2024 20:41

I think it's very sad that you think it's normal for parents to not consider their kids.

Not sure. There’s a difference between considering them, and not doing something because they’d prefer you didn’t.

I’m not in any way neglected, I’m just saying that the adults word was final when I was younger so any opinion I did have would have carried less weight. If I had an issue with anything my mum wanted to do, she’d absolutely do it anyway, because it would be her call.

Fluufer · 21/11/2024 20:51

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:44

Not sure. There’s a difference between considering them, and not doing something because they’d prefer you didn’t.

I’m not in any way neglected, I’m just saying that the adults word was final when I was younger so any opinion I did have would have carried less weight. If I had an issue with anything my mum wanted to do, she’d absolutely do it anyway, because it would be her call.

Well considering them, and then doing whatever you feel regardless is even worse.
The fact that your mum did it doesn't make it normal or ok.

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:53

Fluufer · 21/11/2024 20:51

Well considering them, and then doing whatever you feel regardless is even worse.
The fact that your mum did it doesn't make it normal or ok.

Edited

Well, it was and is okay by me and I guess that’s all that matters 😂

Calliopespa · 21/11/2024 20:55

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:44

Not sure. There’s a difference between considering them, and not doing something because they’d prefer you didn’t.

I’m not in any way neglected, I’m just saying that the adults word was final when I was younger so any opinion I did have would have carried less weight. If I had an issue with anything my mum wanted to do, she’d absolutely do it anyway, because it would be her call.

That’s a reasonable approach when it involves not letting you eat takeaways every night, or not going out in the snow with insufficient clothes on, or her taking a decision on how much to spend on groceries or what night she is going to the theatre with a friend.

But with decisions such as the make-up of the home - your safe space - it’s cruel not to consider how this impacts the children if they are clear they don’t want that.

ETA people have moved past the view that the only “ care” children require is food, clothes and going to school. MH is hugely dependent on our formative years. How can a child be expected to have someone imported into their home who makes them uncomfortable.

Calliopespa · 21/11/2024 20:56

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 20:53

Well, it was and is okay by me and I guess that’s all that matters 😂

But do you think k that’s why you are repeating that pattern maybe?

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 21:08

@Calliopespa

I’m not, there is literally no way of verbally having a conversation about my stepson’s wishes with him. None at all.

But, if it’s helpful - I didn’t meet him until we’d been together 8 months, even then it was fairly periodically so my partners access just involved the 2 of them while we built our relationship. Then we did all weekend access together, but he’d do midweeks himself, then all of it, then moving. The things I’d do/involvement I’d have during those shared times together built up too.

We’d been together almost 2 years by that point when we all moved in together.

There was ample opportunity for any relationship we did build to either not work, or fall apart, and they still have time the 2 of them now - trips to the park etc.

I’d say that was gradual enough.

Calliopespa · 22/11/2024 01:40

SleeplessInWherever · 21/11/2024 21:08

@Calliopespa

I’m not, there is literally no way of verbally having a conversation about my stepson’s wishes with him. None at all.

But, if it’s helpful - I didn’t meet him until we’d been together 8 months, even then it was fairly periodically so my partners access just involved the 2 of them while we built our relationship. Then we did all weekend access together, but he’d do midweeks himself, then all of it, then moving. The things I’d do/involvement I’d have during those shared times together built up too.

We’d been together almost 2 years by that point when we all moved in together.

There was ample opportunity for any relationship we did build to either not work, or fall apart, and they still have time the 2 of them now - trips to the park etc.

I’d say that was gradual enough.

Edited

Well it’s good you built in a gradual approach.

But I disagree that children should always just put up with whatever living arrangements are thrust at them because they aren’t “in charge.” Good parenting or guardianship considers the well-being of those in their care. If children face real concerns around this sort of issue, it isn’t fair to just override or disregard because the adults want what they want. It’s the child’s home even if they don’t pay for it. Children should be entitled to a home they can be emotionally comfortable in.

kkloo · 22/11/2024 01:50

HopperDash · 18/11/2024 12:00

Never locked anyone up. Quite the opposite in fact. How else would you term not being able to hardly ever go out the evening or weekends, having no support or childcare. Women always have people to turn to, friends, parents. A single Dad is much harder to get support for. It's a pleasure to care for my child, but I think as any Mum would attest to, we all need to be happy personally so we can be at our best for the child.

That's really not true at all that it's easier for single mothers to get support.

supercali77 · 22/11/2024 06:49

I know you're thinking ahead, and part of that will be age but slow down, take it as it comes. Pushing it with a teen never works out relationship-wise. With your daughter, she's a year out from her mum leaving, she wasn't spending 4 years beforehand preparing for that relationship to end like you were, she's now only just finding out about your gf. Let her digest it and leave it there.

You can mention your gf in passing, no pressure, it keeps it present but in the background. In a few months you could try something small like, your gf is popping something round or needs a hand with something. No pressure. No big introduction. If she seems OK about it I'd just keep taking really small steps like that while reassuring her. Part of reassurance, with any child is showing them you care enough to listen and act on what you hear.

AcrossthePond55 · 22/11/2024 15:37

@HopperDash

You're a mature man, at your age you should be able to give thoughtful consideration to opinions that disagree with your position. Have you been keeping up with responses and have you given any consideration to differing points of view?

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