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DD 19 making me suffer!

179 replies

Heartbreakanddamage · 10/11/2024 20:39

Please, please be gentle because I am honestly at breaking point and cannot go on like this any longer.

NC for this!
Last year myself and my two older DC, then 18 and 20, went through absolute hell, due to my DH gambling and enormous financial implications of that. We were all under enormous pressure, and as you can imagine there was incredible stress and my mental health was in tatters.

DC and I argued a lot and things were awful. I understood it was hard for DD, but she didn’t help at home and just carried on as normal, parties, clubbing and showed no concern, which is what we mainly argued about. I barely saw her or heard from her for six months, despite constantly trying. I continued to pay for a lot of her stuff.

She eventually came round and moved back home, split with bf and was quickly in a new relationship. The thing is she still blames me for the 6 month period, and every time we have a disagreement she throws it all back at me. The slightest argument causes her to leave home for at least a week, refuse to take my calls or messages and totally ignore me. I have to beg and beg for her to return home and apologise over and over. Then it takes weeks for her to agree to spend any time with me and again I have to plead.

This is now in full swing with her having left again over an incident last week. Her bf wanted her to collect him and three friends from a night out in the city, which meant her leaving at 10pm to make the hour’s drive. She had to park in a very dodgy area to wait for them to arrive. Her car is ancient and I was really worried. I told her I was unhappy about it, but she said it was fine.
i called her to check she was ok but no reply. I messaged to tell her to let me know when the boys arrived and she said ok. An hour later I had heard nothing! I messaged her bf on messenger but no reply. Tried calling her many times but nothing. I put a post on his fb asking him to call and still nothing. She eventually called me two hours later furious telling me I’d completely embarrassed her. She’d ignored her phone due to being annoyed.

I have spent the last week literally begging forgiveness. I apologised to her boyfriend, I called and messaged but she is still shutting me out. We had a night out planned on Saturday but she wouldn’t go. I called her today and she messaged “I’m busy” I asked to chat later and got “I’ll be with my bf”

She has also let me down several times lately after we’d made plans, once choosing to go out with friends and not tell me until half an hour before.

I truly think she does not want me in her life and I am absolutely heartbroken. I do not even know how to fix this.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 11/11/2024 17:25

Heartbreakanddamage · 10/11/2024 21:39

To clarify, by help out I meant wash her clothes, pick them up off the floor and wash her dishes.

When you say ‘expecting her to run errands’ I honestly don’t think it’s unfair to expect three adults living in one house to chip in with a bit of help. She had time to drop the dog off and I didn’t. I virtually never ask her to do anything for me. If she is home she will message for me to get milk, the shop is a one minute walk. Her bedroom is beyond disgusting to the point there is food rotting from three weeks ago. I say nothing because one wrong word from me and off she goes again.

There were no arguments with DH as he had already left. Yes things were very stressful for us as you’d imagine. No blackmail whatsoever. She literally turned one day announcing she was back.

Let her go

And she doesn't live with you if she won't follow basic reasonable rules

Boobygravy · 11/11/2024 17:35

I’d be changing the locks and tell her you’re letting her room out.
Get a grip op, you wouldn’t let a friend treat you like this.

Artistbythewater · 11/11/2024 17:44

Boobygravy · 11/11/2024 17:35

I’d be changing the locks and tell her you’re letting her room out.
Get a grip op, you wouldn’t let a friend treat you like this.

She is not an adult friend though! She is a teenager! And unless op wants to risk rupturing the relationship altogether, throwing her out rather than calmly talking through the issues.

Boobygravy · 11/11/2024 17:48

Artistbythewater · 11/11/2024 17:44

She is not an adult friend though! She is a teenager! And unless op wants to risk rupturing the relationship altogether, throwing her out rather than calmly talking through the issues.

She’s not calm though is she. She gives her dm the silent treatment.
My dc were not always easy but they wouldn’t have dared pull this shit.
She’s a young adult who treats her dm like dirt.
She needs a short, sharp shock.

greenlight9 · 11/11/2024 17:58

Sounds like you smother her. Give her some space and leave her to live her life.

Westofeasttoday · 11/11/2024 18:05

OP I know you are hurting but I think you really need to take a step back. You are smothering your daughter and she keeps telling you to stop and you continue to do it. You are pushing her away and will lose her if you don’t stop.

Why would she call you or apologise when she knows you will call her repeatedly and apologise profusely.

I think you should spend this time really trying to figure out why you are so dependant on your daughter for happiness.

seedsandseeds · 11/11/2024 19:05

Then she declined to have a photo taken with me, which made me feel like shit in front of everyone. She did all of this on the day I’d felt really insecure about the dress I was wearing and felt really old.

You sound like a controlling boyfriend.

SHE isn't responsible for how YOU feel.

You need to get a grip.

Allnewtometoo · 11/11/2024 19:12

You need to back off, and stop begging for forgiveness. She needs to stop behaving like a 14 year old.

With the lift - fine to say "please text me when you pick them up" or whatever, and she should respect that and do so. Anything else is way ott, from both sides.

Heartbreakanddamage · 11/11/2024 20:49

seedsandseeds · 11/11/2024 19:05

Then she declined to have a photo taken with me, which made me feel like shit in front of everyone. She did all of this on the day I’d felt really insecure about the dress I was wearing and felt really old.

You sound like a controlling boyfriend.

SHE isn't responsible for how YOU feel.

You need to get a grip.

@seedsandseeds
So you think it’s great to purposely make someone feel like shit? If you go out of your way to deliberately make someone feel bad, then you are responsible for that. It wasn’t me demanding a photo. It was the bride who asked actually as it was all her friend’s from work. Everyone who attended with their plus one obviously stood with them for the photo, she declined to be a cow. I’m guessing you also thought her shitty comments were ok too! Weird !!!

OP posts:
Heartbreakanddamage · 11/11/2024 20:56

BlueSilverCats · 10/11/2024 22:39

@Heartbreakanddamage when did the change in her behaviour start? Was it all at once or gradual?

It was after she moved out to live with her previous boyfriend.

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Heartbreakanddamage · 11/11/2024 21:12

Artistbythewater · 11/11/2024 06:32

I will give a wild guess.

My mother trauma dumps on me all of the time. She needs counselling but instead makes it my problem.

My father is a gambler and has run up huge debts. It’s a nightmare being at home. They haven’t stopped arguing.

My.dm wants to know where I dm all of the time, interferes in everything I do and doesn’t stop calling and messaging. She expects me to keep her company and be her bestie. Every time I try to assert myself she gets upset and plays the mental health card.

I wish I could move out, it’s suffocating living here.

@Artistbythewater
Before you reply to a post, why don’t you actually read tft? If you did you would have read that there were NO arguments between myself and DH because he wasn’t here.

if you DD drove like a maniac ( words of other people who have seen her on local roads) and had already spun off the road, narrowly missing a tree and writing off someone else’s car, would you not quite like to know where she is?

She moved out for six months of her own free will. She returned of her own free will, WITHOUT BEING ASKED!!!

If your DD was working illegally, would you not try to guide and advise her? Because if the answer is no then I hope you don’t have kids.

As for “trauma dumping” the only trauma she saw was at the worst of our financial issues. I never, EVER!! Z tell her how shot I feel apart from maybe the odd “Jesus I look crap or old” etc which is hardly earth shattering ptsd causing stuff is it.

And no! I don’t expect her to be my bestie at all. She stays at her bf’s 5/6 nights a week! That’s hardly expecting her to be glued to me is it?

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OhcantthInkofaname · 11/11/2024 21:21

Who owns these cars that she keeps having near misses or actual crashes? If someone else does get the keys from her? If she owns a car then she needs to pay for her insurance.
There need to be house rules that include her. Lock your rooms so she doesn't take your clothes.

FeistyFrankie · 11/11/2024 21:26

Sounds like you are a bit suffocating OP. At 19 she won’t appreciate constant calls and messages because you are worried. Work on your anxiety and give her space, otherwise you will only push her away more.

Heartbreakanddamage · 11/11/2024 21:32

GoodnightIrene · 11/11/2024 02:02

Reading MN threads I'm constantly appalled at the way some (far too many?) children old enough to know better, treat their parents these days. OP, my mum and I were often at odds but never in a million years would I have treated her with even 5% of the disrespect your daughter is showing you - however old I was and wherever I was living.
Throughout our shared lives if she was upset about anything she expected me to listen and support her - and that cut both ways.
OP you've been badly let down by your husband and your nerves are shredded. Yes you're worrying far too much about your daughter's whereabouts but given what you've been through she should also be cutting YOU some slack.
I hope your tough love regime will be effective and that your daughter will soon come to her senses.
I wonder whether the boyfriend is egging her on to behave like a **k? Is she trying to impress him?

@GoodnightIrene
I honestly don’t know. On the rare occasion she plans a night at home he will call and want to see her. If she says no he continues to message until she gives in. When we went out for a drink one night he called her and asked to join us so I went home.

OP posts:
Heartbreakanddamage · 11/11/2024 21:43

Noras · 11/11/2024 06:31

To be fair the OP is concerned to let her daughter completely free as she is acting in a questionable way and doing reckless things.

1 She is working as a self employed cleaner and not informing HMRC

2 She is driving recklessly and has already hit someone in her car.

3 She is not managing her finances and ensuring that she can cover her bills eg car tax.

4 She’s not doing her share of chores or even just basic clearing up after herself.

5 She is most likely driving uninsured as she is not declaring that she is working as a cleaner and I suspect does not have business insurance on her car.

6 Is she illegally claiming benefits?

Be in no doubt that some of her actions are dam right criminal and frankly as a parent I would be alarmed. Driving fast and getting friends to film it! She will then be discovered to have used her car to service her business eg cleaning products in the boot and her insurance declared void.

As a former lawyer whose job involved convering inquests and death by careless driving cases etc O would read by daughter the riot act and not house her until she got her act together. I certainly would not tolerate ongoing criminal behaviour. Insurance companies have a way of finding stuff out eg we knock on neighbours doors even eg did you see signs she was working etc

She has to properly insure her car. She has to notify HMRC and complete a tax refurn. She has to take out business insurance if she is working as a cleaner.

Also is she not declaring it because she is claiming universal credit? She needs to stop that.

So whilst I would not cling to my daughter and allow her to live her life I would most definitely have a lot to say about the above. I would tell her to sort her act out and have little to do with her until she did. In other words I would not bother running around after her or doing her laundry. She can do it herself. I certainly would not be planning any excursions or trips with her. I would be too annoyed as she could kill someone with her attitude snd the worse thing is the insurance could be declared void ab initio and the grieving family have to deal with the MIB. She is a selfish selfish person.

In the balance is the fact that clearly she has been through a tough time with her dad. For that reason I would provide a home.

Are there other family members eg uncles or aunts who can speak to her and see what’s going on in her head.

@Noras
Thank god someone had finally grasped why I am so worried!!!

yes I messaged and repeatedly called her, because I was worried sick something bad had happened, knowing how fast she drives. I had done nothing worse than most caring parents by simply asking she let me know when her bf got to her. She purposely ignored her phone and so did her boyfriend to upset and worry me.

She is absolutely not claiming any benefits. She hates benefits and would definitely not do that.

OP posts:
Heartbreakanddamage · 11/11/2024 21:55

Cynic17 · 11/11/2024 11:13

Life360 is the devil's work, OP. Just stop tracking her - you do not need to know where she is all the time. She may be a bit tricky to deal with, but she is an adult and you have to respect that.

Both her and my son had it as new drivers. I didn’t even know it existed. It was my son who said it was a good idea. She no longer has it. The week after she spun off a country lane, narrowly missing a tree and writing off someone’s car, she told me I no longer needed to know where she was and only her bf and friends needed to know. I only ever looked to check she’d arrived on long journeys. I wasn’t tracking where she was.

OP posts:
Thatdontimpressmemuchh · 11/11/2024 22:10

Sorry what, you wrote a post on her boyfriend's Facebook wall asking where your DD is?! I would be mortified and furious if my Mum did that when I was 19! You sound like you're living your life through her, most 19 year olds prefer to be on nights out with their friends rather than their Mums. Why not back off a little and focus on spending time with your own hobbies/friends?

TattedBarley · 11/11/2024 22:13

Stop doing anything for her. No washing, cooking, cleaning, paying for things, checking in on her. She’s disrespectful and irresponsible and clearly thinks she doesn’t need you. You don’t have to put up with being treated like dirt just because she’s your daughter. I’d be asking her to leave and find somewhere else to live at this point. I know you will worry not knowing where she is or what she’s up to and you never stop wanting to protect your children. But I think if you withdraw she’ll realise she does need you. Stop letting her walk all over you!

sleepwouldbenice · 11/11/2024 22:22

gamerchick · 10/11/2024 21:26

Stop giving her so much power OP. Stop begging and pleading with her. She knows the score. She's not going to play family at this age. You need to let go.

Tell her you'll be there when she's ready and just leave her alone.

This. I am sorry as it's really hard. But this

tothelefttotheleft · 11/11/2024 22:26

@danid26

I wish this was true but how do you account for all the people who go no contact with their mums?

Shodan · 11/11/2024 22:31

TattedBarley · 11/11/2024 22:13

Stop doing anything for her. No washing, cooking, cleaning, paying for things, checking in on her. She’s disrespectful and irresponsible and clearly thinks she doesn’t need you. You don’t have to put up with being treated like dirt just because she’s your daughter. I’d be asking her to leave and find somewhere else to live at this point. I know you will worry not knowing where she is or what she’s up to and you never stop wanting to protect your children. But I think if you withdraw she’ll realise she does need you. Stop letting her walk all over you!

I agree with this, but I'd also pack up her messy room into bags/boxes, as is- if that includes dirty dishes then so be it. She doesn't get to treat your home like a dosshouse.

And I wouldn't be asking her to leave, I'd be telling her that I love her, but her behaviour towards you is appalling and you're not going to put up with it and she must leave.

I understand why you've done as you have, OP, but it needs to stop. It will be hard for you, but I agree with @TattedBarley. Your daughter is more likely to start behaving like a decent adult if you draw your line in the sand than if you keep begging her and apologising.

JawsCushion · 11/11/2024 22:35

Stop grovelling. Stop apologising for the past. Discuss a level of letting you know if she's arrived safely somewhere. My eldets flies a lot, he always tells me when he's landed safely. When my other two get back to uni, they tell me they've arrived okay. It's just courtesy.

But begging a child for all this when she's treated you like crap, thrown things in your face and happily taken your money? Just no. Stop paying, stop grovelling, stop being a doormat.

seedsandseeds · 11/11/2024 22:36

So you think it’s great to purposely make someone feel like shit? If you go out of your way to deliberately make someone feel bad, then you are responsible for that. It wasn’t me demanding a photo. It was the bride who asked actually as it was all her friend’s from work. Everyone who attended with their plus one obviously stood with them for the photo, she declined to be a cow. I’m guessing you also thought her shitty comments were ok too! Weird !!!

Which part of her not wanting a photo with you is her purposefully making you feel like shit?

JawsCushion · 11/11/2024 22:39

The bad driving is so selfish. She could kill an innocent person never mind herself.

altmember · 11/11/2024 22:40

Stop begging for her forgiveness/time/company, and for goodness sake stop paying for her stuff. She's a big girl now, let her get on with life. Start charging her board or take her door key off her. If she does agree to pay board and stay, also lay down some ground rules about tidying up after herself and doing her share of domestic chores.

Tell her to register with HMRC as self employed immediately , otherwise you'll grass her up. I fail to believe she became this person last year, her current attitude towards you down to how you've raised her - totally spoilt and smothered by the sounds of it.

Wher is your husband in all this? Is he still at home or did you separate?