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He bought her diamond jewellery - Follow on thread

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Spikyseason · 29/10/2024 09:24

I was in two minds as to whether to make a follow-on thread, but primarily I wanted to thank everyone who supported me on the previous thread. I am so grateful for such comprehensive and sound advice, and for those who were brave enough to share their own experiences with me. I do at least feel less alone.

I have an update as I spoke to DH when he got home yesterday, about everything. I’ll try to summarise.

He was still cagey about his feelings for OW. He did admit he missed her and he said he had communicated that to her since. He also said he was only human and had wanted to make sure she was ok, ‘what happened’ was his fault and he hadn’t intended to hurt her or me. He apologised for it, said it wouldn’t happen again. That ultimately he had made the decision to commit to his family and the promises he made. Usual. Wanted the opportunity to prove that.

The furthest he would admit to was that it was an emotional thing (couldn’t really deny that given the jewellery - he promised it was not a ring) but ultimately being in his children’s lives was more important, that clearly there are problems in our marriage that he should have addressed, he didn’t blame me, but overall he felt we could work on any problems between us for the sake of DC and he understood it would take a long time for me to trust him.

I do feel very much like he wants to just get back to normal asap. I also feel like he is maybe either lying to me about feelings for OW or in denial. Perhaps he thinks with time any feelings will fade. I think though if you genuinely loved someone that never goes away. I don’t suppose I’ll get any true answers on that front. I mean worst case he did and I suppose we just carry on and hope for the best and he forgets all about her, if he genuinely is committed to that?

On some level of course I worry this would never have happened if he genuinely loved me. I read something somewhere once that if someone falls in love outside of the marriage then it’s almost always irreconcilable. But if we’re both determined to make it work then I hope eventually the memory and pain will fade? I don’t know - I would welcome thoughts from those who tried but ultimately had to call it a day 😕 I don’t know if I’m kidding myself. My primary concern is DC but also aware I have a fear of change.

I was having therapy before, I’ve rebooked some sessions to help get my head straight as I don’t feel strong enough to leave yet. Part of me feels like time will test his actual commitment. Then there’s the angry part of me that doesn’t see why he should just be able to walk out on his wife and family into a shiny new life…

Anyway, I just wanted to provide a little update and thank you all again x

OP posts:
Attelina · 29/10/2024 10:44

If you need to find the anger to inspire you to dump his revolting arse then picture her looking at her watch, twiddling with her earrings or stroking her pendant or most likely admiring a ring and smirking that she convinced your husband to buy her jewellery and all the while was having it off with him whilst you were in the dark about your husband.

Picture him, proudly presenting her with the £20k gift and thinking 'she's worth it' whereas my wife is only worth a £400 coat.

I have nothing but contempt for him, he's an odious little toad.

Nikitaspearlearring · 29/10/2024 10:45

Scottishskifun · 29/10/2024 10:42

I think the crux of it OP is down to the question of is he still in love with you or does he love you as the past and mother of his children.

They are two very different things. If still in love with you and you want to try then this is for you both to work on. However if it's a case of he loves you but isn't in live with you then that's a very telling aspect.

Being "in love with" doesn't last though, does it? Don't most successful marriages evolve into a partnership of committed people who love each other, rather than that giddy being in love feeling that you hopefully have at the beginning?

Sunkisst · 29/10/2024 10:47

Nikitaspearlearring · 29/10/2024 10:45

Being "in love with" doesn't last though, does it? Don't most successful marriages evolve into a partnership of committed people who love each other, rather than that giddy being in love feeling that you hopefully have at the beginning?

Yes, love, mutual respect, gratitude, trust.

Morven7 · 29/10/2024 10:48

The 'I'm only human thing 'is a cop out excuse in my experience. I would be surprised if he does want to cut contact with her tbh but I think it's very possible for him to love you and to have done this whilst still loving you, it's just that some men want both and will try to do so! 💐

MorrisZapp · 29/10/2024 10:48

As Prince Charles would say, what is love anyway? You can't prove or disprove it, you can only go by actions. This man cheated on you for a year, spent twenty K on a gift, and only stopped when you accidentally found out. You have all the facts you need.

Ohwelldone · 29/10/2024 10:49

I'm sorry op but I dont see this ending well at all. How can you ever trust him again, this wasnt a one time thing, not a flash in the pan at all. This was a year long affair, not just sex, he was taking her out for her birthday, spending ridiculous amounts of money on jewellery for her, he obviously had feelings for her. That wont go away, he got found out, so has cut contact, if you'd not found out it would still be ongoing. Hes reached out to say he misses her. He will reach out again, but you wont know until you stumble upon another message, but maybe he'll just get more careful and you wont find out until he's another year into the relationship again.

I know you are saying you're staying for the kids, but kids would prefer to be with happy separated parents, than watching a dysfunctional, loveless relationship. Dont stay in an unhappy marriage where you drive yourself mad wondering what hes doing, who he's messaging, etc. Think about your own mental health and happiness too.

Sunkisst · 29/10/2024 10:52

I think the best thing you can do for yourself OP is work on your self confidence so that you feel confident to live your life with or without him. You say you’re afraid of change which means you don’t feel confident that you can cope with change. I’d start by addressing that issue before you make any big decisions.

StartupRepair · 29/10/2024 10:55

He lied to you for a year. How many thousands of lies did he tell you in that time? How could you ever trust him again? Especially when he is still yearning after her and just 'settling' for you. You deserve so much more than that.
Take your time, be strategic and cynical about building your own financial nestegg, start telling people what he did and take back a bit of control.

Turbulent1 · 29/10/2024 10:58

Your kids will know their parents aren't affectionate, argue, are distant compared to other parents. Eventually they will find out what happened and then they feel guilty. Staying for the kids is not a reason to try to coax a marriage along. This is your life and he is just a pathetic man, I have no idea why you want to have sex with him again or even sit down to a meal with him but you really really need to start protecting yourself.

nooschmoo · 29/10/2024 11:01

Similar situation, years ago now. We limped along for another 8 months after my ex decided he wanted to stay ‘for the kids’ ‘and to make it work with you’ and all the blah blah promises….ultimately the trust was gone, he had really emotionally checked out. I asked him to leave after 8 horrific months, and later found out him & OW had still been in contact anyway.
He moved in with her, they are still together. It was initially awful awful awful, but I now have a great life and DP who is fabulous, kids are very settled, and I look at ex now & think ‘thank god we split’. We are civil. (This was all 11 years ago now) I was devastated, but also boiling with fury, which gave me strength to get through it. Good luck OP with whatever you decide xx

nooschmoo · 29/10/2024 11:02

Just to say tho, that horrible 8 months gave me a chance to work out what I wanted, so you don’t need to do anything straight away. Take your time. xx

Scottishskifun · 29/10/2024 11:05

Nikitaspearlearring · 29/10/2024 10:45

Being "in love with" doesn't last though, does it? Don't most successful marriages evolve into a partnership of committed people who love each other, rather than that giddy being in love feeling that you hopefully have at the beginning?

The giddy feeling to me isn't being in love with someone that's the honeymoon phase!

15 years together and 2 young children and I'm definitely still in love with my husband. To me it's deep attachment wanting to spend time with him, being attracted to him and being the first person I want to tell about something. That's very different from purely going I love you because you are the mother of my children that's not loving you as a individual and about you.

AgainandagainandagainSS · 29/10/2024 11:05

This is going to be catastrophic for your mental health OP and your children WILL pick up on it.
Why would you want to be around someone when you know you're not their priority.

Attelina · 29/10/2024 11:06

Your children deserve a happy and fulfilled mother not a woman who's distracted by unwanted thoughts of where is there dad and what is he up to?

Your insecurity and heartache will be visible to them.

AnonAnonmystery · 29/10/2024 11:07

I’m sorry @Spikyseason these latest admissions from you H are really not good. The fact he’s told her he misses her and reached out. If you force transparency to see all messages to his current phone, at any time, , be prepared that he will get an additional phone to keep the contact going. He doesn’t want to stop the affair and keeping the contact going is a big step this way. How will you be able to relax and be sure he’s not with her when he’s “on a work trip”. I don’t want to say anymore to upset but you know where I am heading with this …

UrbanDieter · 29/10/2024 11:09

Make sure he gets you some diamonds/watch something that holds value that you can get rid of abd cant be counted as an asset in a divorce.

My husband wasn't in love with his AP she was a nice addition to his porn addiction and he loved the attention. It makes me sad he is that kind of person.

We are still together everything is 50/50. I am costing him a fortune. I am looking after myself with all my new free time (6 stone off, and some beautiful tone)
I am stronger and I no longer put him first, I could leave.
I'm still sad when I dwell, but if he wants to go and do it again he's not coming back.

A middle age man, that cheats on wife and kids, is hardly a catch. He will lose his busness reputation, his family will never see him as the person they thought he was & he won't be able to afford to keep his fancy car.

I'm looking towards us as a couple aging together & he needs to hope his heath is good, I'm not sure I want to be his helper.

Nikitaspearlearring · 29/10/2024 11:10

Sunkisst · 29/10/2024 10:47

Yes, love, mutual respect, gratitude, trust.

True. Sometimes people are immature and given a second chance can put things right. It won't be easy for the OP. But I didn't read the original thread and have just seen how much he spent! Bloody hell.

SootieandSweep · 29/10/2024 11:14

I think you need to be brave here OP. I'm definitely someone who can imagine staying for the kids, etc. Also although I work I'm the second class citizen in that department. But he does not seem contrite enough, there doesn't seem to be enough love in the marriage, and he is still in touch with her. If you are really honest with yourself, part of it is no doubt that you don't want to hand him to her on a plate. And that is valid. But I strongly believe that in the long run you're better off out of this.

ballybooboo · 29/10/2024 11:14

It's very tough and you are quite right to take time to work out how you feel beyond the initial shock and hurt.

The children will be ok if you part.
They will be ok either way if they have two loving parents whether you stay married or not.

I think you need to do what's best for life, you still have a long life ahead of you.

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LivinInYourBigGlassHouseWithAView · 29/10/2024 11:16

Honestly, I'd be tallying up the necklace, the hotel bills, the restaurant bills, etc, everything he spent on her, and asking him to deposit the amount into your account.

And then quietly get a good divorce solicitor and start planning your exit, sooner rather than later.

He's not in this with you, he's shown you who he is. You didn't even know what kind of money he made/had until this all came out.

You want to leave on your terms, not his. He's more worried about 'how it looks' than how you feel and how it affects you if he leaves. Probably wants you to be the one to do it ... and the longer you stay, the more he can blame you for throwing it all away. WHen it was him.

CookieMonster28 · 29/10/2024 11:18

I just personally couldn't see past it. Having said that, it's easy to say when haven't been in that situation.

I'm so sorry OP. I can't imagine what you're going through. Take it easy x

Spikyseason · 29/10/2024 11:20

LivinInYourBigGlassHouseWithAView · 29/10/2024 11:16

Honestly, I'd be tallying up the necklace, the hotel bills, the restaurant bills, etc, everything he spent on her, and asking him to deposit the amount into your account.

And then quietly get a good divorce solicitor and start planning your exit, sooner rather than later.

He's not in this with you, he's shown you who he is. You didn't even know what kind of money he made/had until this all came out.

You want to leave on your terms, not his. He's more worried about 'how it looks' than how you feel and how it affects you if he leaves. Probably wants you to be the one to do it ... and the longer you stay, the more he can blame you for throwing it all away. WHen it was him.

Adding it all up he spent in the region of around £80k on her.
I don’t think he is still seeing her (or anyone else) as the bank statements would be a huge clue!

OP posts:
TiramisuThief · 29/10/2024 11:24

I've read your previous thread OP but not commented.

I think your heart hasn't caught up with your head. Therapy is a good idea. I agree with PP that you should tell some people - you need support and is not fair to expect you to keep his secret.

I think @goingdownfighting has good advice. Look after number one, hope for the best but plan for the worst.

SleepPrettyDarling · 29/10/2024 11:25

workshy46 · 29/10/2024 09:58

I'd probably hope for the best , prepare for the worst. If he can move on from and get over the OW quickly you probably have a chance. The time when your children are small is the most vulnerable to a marriage as life is a bit of a drudge and boring so easy to get caught up in the excitement of someone else.
He has to feel though that he has something to lose for it to work though.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst - I completely agree with this as it will help you to clarify in your mind what outcomes might lie ahead.

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