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He bought her diamond jewellery

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Spikyseason · 24/10/2024 19:44

So 5 months into trying to reconcile after DH’s affair, which lasted over a year (so he says) and I discovered after going through credit card statements recently that he bought her a £20k diamond necklace. Twenty fucking thousand pounds.

I am beyond furious. He said he wasn’t in love with her. It was a tiny glimmer of hope in trying to reconcile for the sake of DC. At least he never loved her. But he has never bought me a gift like this ever. Even my engagement ring isn’t worth that much. We are comfortable financially but even so this is pretty eye watering. Not insignificant money.

I’ve been kidding myself haven’t I? And he’s lying about his feelings for her. I don’t know why this is somehow worse than the sex but it is. AFAIK no contact with OW since but I just don’t get it.

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FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 27/10/2024 12:32

I think in your position I'd ask him to move out for a while to give you some breathing space.
You keep putting yourself down and what you need to do is big yourself up. Who cares if she is conventionally attractive? She saw fit to fuck someone else's husband, hardly a prize and I'd definitely avoid the cunt like the plague so I'm going to guess she's lacking in quality friends, are you?
He should be the one feeling like shit, not you. Make it happen. If you want to know if he actually gives a shit about you, take you away from him.
Personally I'd do it permanently as cheating is a no going back for me.
He's hurt you massively and also put your health at risk having unprotected sex with a random, he belongs in the bin and you deserve far better.

Sunday5 · 27/10/2024 12:37

The flaccid penis, assuming he doesn’t have ED, suggests his heart isn’t in this.
It will be impossible to “solve” this. It’s not what he wants and is only causing you more heartache.
Atm you’re wise but wary. Have the confidence to put yourself first and the children will follow you for a much better future. Refocus away from him OP.

Secondstart1001 · 27/10/2024 13:26

Gosh op the way he treats you when you are ill as an inconvenience should be another to tell you what you need to know and detach yourself from him.

Secondstart1001 · 27/10/2024 13:39

@Spikyseason you have been so open and honest in your posts. You’ve had to listen to a lot of difficult view points but you seem strong enough not to leave the thread and keep exploring what’s happening to you. You are an open and intelligent woman that’s receptive to opinions without being defensive ( which is hard).
I really do hope you find some happiness and peace in the future x

Airbrush24 · 27/10/2024 14:00

Simple advice

Just. Get. Rid.

He sounds useless.

YellowAsteroid · 27/10/2024 14:21

I also just can’t get my head around him staying unless part of him must also want to be with me. How can it work otherwise? You can’t fake an entire marriage for years on end. Although in fairness that’s what he’s been doing for years I suppose.

I think he's compartmentalising (to an extreme!) @Spikyseason He's able to separate out money, sex, his obligations to his "promises" to you, and his children.

He doesn't see them as connected in a coherent ethical universe, or in his personal ethics and character.

And I suspect he's VERY aware of the requirement to split assets 50/50 on divorce, and is doing everything in his pea-brain to avoid that.

He clearly sees his salary as "his" money, given that he blew £20,000 to keep on getting laid, and he didn't for a moment contemplate that £20,000 is a stack of money (even if you're well off) for a family.

Dump him. Really. You'll be so much happier in the end. I suspect you'll have to dump him at some point (it took my mother 15 years, and those were tricky for my siblings and I).

Flutterbycustard · 27/10/2024 14:21

Flyingfoxgirl · 27/10/2024 09:37

I am writing this reply ONLY to try to help OP see things from a different point of view. This is not about me please don't slate me

I was the OW and he was planning to leave his gf (yes I'm sure, no it might not have worked between us ) we were looking at houses, he bought me jewellery. Then he got his gf pregnant (yes I knew they were still sleeping together) he couldn't leave when she was pg. He said he'd leave when the baby was a few months old and settled. He continued his relationship with me all through her pregnancy. When his child was born everything changed. He finished with me, after a few months went on a work trip which separated him from his baby. He said he missed his baby more than he missed me, so he was staying with his baby.
My point is that it was never about his gf, the mother of his child. He was faced with a choice - a relationship with a woman (he told me) he was deeply in love with and more compatible with or being able to be a full time dad, with his baby everyday, seeing her grow up, with a woman he gets on ok with, available for sex occasionally, a comfortable home and, for my shallow, weak ex lover, keeping up appearances, because what other people see is vitally important to him. He didn't chose her because he loved her, (he was leaving her before the pregnancy) he chose his baby and his comfortable life. Your DH seems very similar to him. It's a balance, it's not like he's in a marriage with someone he hates, but he's willing to settle for you because it's comfortable, because he can see the kids grow up, because he looks like a decent family man to the outside world. In a few years he'll maybe have another affair when his need for passionate love and validation becomes too strong. It's also the reason he'll wait for you to be the one to put an end to this, he can't be SEEN to be the one leaving/abandoning his family. Appearances are everything.

I am not saying this to be mean, but he didn’t leave his girlfriend simply because he didn’t want to.

If he really didn’t love her and only got on Ok with her, then he would have left before she got pregnant. He wouldn’t have slept with her…because all along, he apparently had the woman of his dreams (you).

This wasn’t a case of a man choosing a child over the love of his life. It was a case of a man losing interest in his affair fantasy, and probably being a bit more tired to care about sex with more than one woman anymore.

The only thing you can be sure about that man is that he was a liar and a cheat.

AndyMcFlurry · 27/10/2024 14:35

@Spikyseason you said this

It’s very hard to stop trying to ‘figure it out’ because honestly I am completely at a loss as to how anyone could be this way

what is it that you are trying to figure out? Is it that you are trying to reconcile his words with his actions? If that’s the case then I suggest you stop trying and just look at his actions, because they are the truth.

So if he says “ look here’s the proof that I love you and the kids, I go to work every day to earn money for you “.

Ask yourself - did he go work before he met me, before we had kids? If we split up, will he quit his job and start working in McDonalds ? I’m guessing not.

So what does he actually DO ( that’s not in his own interests ) that shows that he loves you ? I don’t mean the emotional labour that he did to woo you when you first met and married, I mean now. This year , last year.

Because from here, it looks like he feels he’s done his penance for the affair and he wants you to shut the fuck up about it so normal service can be resumed, you will go back to work as wife bot and he can go back to doing what he wants at home and work and back to this / another OW. And he will be much more careful not to get caught next time, he must be very annoyed with himself that he was stupid enough to get caught .

No wonder he’s a bit irritated that you are still banging on about it, when he has decided it’s in the past and it was no big deal and he’s said sorry what more you want ? 🙄

MontanaPink · 27/10/2024 14:42

OP, your sentence about wanting to ‘figure things out’ before you make a decision is very familiar to me. I read everything I could get my hands when I experienced this. I wanted to try to save my marriage initially (unsuccessful, separated now for 6 years). I also needed to understand why it had happened.

It is quite normal for the affair partner to vacillate. I can’t quite remember if either of these particular YouTube videos cover it but both Marriage Helper & Affair Recovery post whole series of videos that I found very helpful (US Christian organisations, not for everyone but I found the advise they give strangely comforting and helped me understand and calm down).

Whilst my marriage ultimately ended (and tbf he was clear from day 1 that he wasn't coming back, I was just in denial) understanding why and how affairs come about and what is going on in the other persons mind really helped me. Understanding helped me to have an amicable relationship with my ex which was very important to me. Life's too short and I know my exH is a good person, he was just a very unhappily married one.

People will advise you not to be ‘a doormat’ etc. but it is your life and your choice and if you feel it is worth trying, you should try. It’s so much more complicated than ‘LTB’ which is incredibly easy for others to say, especially an anonymous internet forum. Take your time and good luck. Whichever way you go, life will settle down again eventually.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wE1CavZCT-E&pp=ygUZbWFycmlhZ2UgaGVscGVyIGxpbWVyZW5jZQ%3D%3D

m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-bwR0anfc8&pp=ygUhYWZmYWlyIHJlY292ZXJ5IHVuZmFpdGhmdWwgc3BvdXNl

HazelPlayer · 27/10/2024 14:58

I’m shocked anyone wants him tbh

He clearly spends £10,000s on a side piece, so I'm not remotely shocked.

(Though whether she actually thinks she is a side piece, or wifey in waiting, due to what he's said and done, is a separate question).

HazelPlayer · 27/10/2024 15:05

In fact, putting myself in her shoes, that spend would make me think he was crazy about me.

I'd also wonder if it was meant to demonstrate how much she was worth to him/how important she was to him ...... In the context of him still having a wife. Perhaps it was 'im not in a position to leave yet, and yes I still have a wife; but this is how much you mean to me, this shows you my priority".

I'd be interested to know what he's actually said to her since discovery.

He didn't even have the necessity - because of his dynamic with the op - to do the "our relationship is over and I'm trying to make it work with my wife" message in front of her.

(Not that they don't sneak behind their wives' backs and withdraw their big statement anyway; "she's crazy, she was going to hurt herself, she was going to accuse me of stuff, so he was going to take the kids, I had to send you that and show her".

HazelPlayer · 27/10/2024 15:10

YellowAsteroid · 27/10/2024 14:21

I also just can’t get my head around him staying unless part of him must also want to be with me. How can it work otherwise? You can’t fake an entire marriage for years on end. Although in fairness that’s what he’s been doing for years I suppose.

I think he's compartmentalising (to an extreme!) @Spikyseason He's able to separate out money, sex, his obligations to his "promises" to you, and his children.

He doesn't see them as connected in a coherent ethical universe, or in his personal ethics and character.

And I suspect he's VERY aware of the requirement to split assets 50/50 on divorce, and is doing everything in his pea-brain to avoid that.

He clearly sees his salary as "his" money, given that he blew £20,000 to keep on getting laid, and he didn't for a moment contemplate that £20,000 is a stack of money (even if you're well off) for a family.

Dump him. Really. You'll be so much happier in the end. I suspect you'll have to dump him at some point (it took my mother 15 years, and those were tricky for my siblings and I).

This.

Except I don't think you'll have to dump him at some point.
I worry he'll blindside you by leaving you at some point.
(Or another child or something. I could be wrong but I think you said they didn't use condoms. Why would he start using them with her or another woman then? She may not have tried to get pregnant by him so far, but many another woman will see it as a way to get him to leave or at the very least as a way of getting a slice of the pie).

And he'll probably do everything he can to hide money & assets.

Icancopealone · 27/10/2024 15:33

WinWhenTheyreSinging · 27/10/2024 08:15

I do think, @Spikyseason, that whether you eventually stay or go - your decision - you need to make him see that he is not the only one with choices and the divine right to bestow his remaining on you and expect you to be grateful.

In your position, I would be asking him to leave, give you some space, and expecting you both to be in counselling. I would tell him that you will be the one deciding whether this marriage continues now, so if he wants that he’d better start earning it.

I would personally also be telling him that I don’t believe for a minute that the £20k was spent on a necklace and I’d be expecting him to prove to me that it wasn’t a ring before I went any further. You don’t dispose of receipts for £20k purchases, it won’t be difficult. Still wouldn’t be happy with the necklace, but a ring is a different sentiment entirely.

Harsh, but you need to get in the driving seat here. It’s a sad fact that people like this won’t respect you if you don’t show them that you respect and value yourself.❤️

Forgive me if you have already covered this OP but I thought this was an interesting point about the receipt for the jewellery.
You saw the item on the credit card statement but have you actually asked to see the receipt?As WinWhenTheyreSinging
says he will have been given an itemised receipt.
If he refuses to show you that then you can be certain it wasn't a necklace and was a ring that he gave her. And that would give clarity about his feelings for that OW.

Spikyseason · 27/10/2024 15:44

So I never saw the receipt. It was the name of the shop on the statement - he said he gave her the receipt as he didn’t want to risk me finding it.

OP posts:
Icancopealone · 27/10/2024 15:55

Spikyseason · 27/10/2024 15:44

So I never saw the receipt. It was the name of the shop on the statement - he said he gave her the receipt as he didn’t want to risk me finding it.

Well he might not want, and you don't want him to, to ask her for the jewellery back.
But it would seem reasonable for him to ask her for the receipt so you can see it. It will state exactly what the item was.
Again, if he won't do that then it is very reasonable to assume it was a ring and not a necklace.

TheNuthatch · 27/10/2024 16:04

Personally I wouldn't give the OW the satisfaction of knocking on her door to ask for a receipt.

Is he due home from his little jolly today op? Do you have a plan for when he comes back?

I hope you've found some comfort and strength from all the replies. Hold your head high 💐

Icancopealone · 27/10/2024 16:10

TheNuthatch · 27/10/2024 16:04

Personally I wouldn't give the OW the satisfaction of knocking on her door to ask for a receipt.

Is he due home from his little jolly today op? Do you have a plan for when he comes back?

I hope you've found some comfort and strength from all the replies. Hold your head high 💐

It's not about giving the OW the satisfaction.
It's about OP getting information that will allow her to make a judgement call.
It's bad enough that her H spent all that money on a " necklace" for the OW. But if he actually spent it on a ring then it's a whole different ball game. Because of what it says about his feelings and intentions for the future regarding this OW.

AndyMcFlurry · 27/10/2024 16:16

I also just can’t get my head around him staying unless part of him must also want to be with me. How can it work otherwise? You can’t fake an entire marriage for years on end. Although in fairness that’s what he’s been doing for years I suppose.

Of course he wants to stay with you! Look at everything you do, have done and will do for him ! You have given up your own career / pension to support his. My guess is that you either do or organise EVERYTHING to do with the house and children. No doubt you do all the wife work and most of the emotional labour and supply sex on demand , in return for a little of his time and few kind words now and then. You seem thoughtful, intelligent , selfless and considerate - I’m sure you are good company.

You give him lots and lots of free time so he can do his hobbies, see his friends and indulge in affairs. All guilt free and fun for him. Why on earth would be want to give that up? It’s a GREAT DEAL for him.

OTOH if you divorce its a very bad deal for him. It’s going to costs him a lot of time and money , damage his reputation, change things with his kids and his freinds and generally destroy his easy and comfortable life.

He’s not going to see his kids much ( because of the hassle ) and that will make him look really bad. He will try to spin it but you can’t fool everyone all of the time. And it will damage his self image as a “ great dad”.

If his new partner move in with him and looks after the kids for him every second weekend, all well and good. But eventually the kids will complain about this, or she will get fed up with being used. Or both. More hassle, just another thing that needs sorted out. Sigh.

What on earth will he do about childcare , school lunches, homework , PE kit, parents evenings , fancy dress days , play dates, birthday parties, dentist and orthodontists and eye tests and glasses - seriously can you see him doing any of this @Spikyseason ?

You have said that you don’t know if you can manage without him, but my experience is that very VERY a few dads can be arsed to do any of this side of parenting. Yes they want 50% of Christmas days but 0% of the tedious work. You see them ( or their new partners ) on Mn all the time moaning about having to wash school uniform or some other TINY aspect of parenting that they expect their ex to do (along with the other 98%).

And what about OW ? Even if she wants to move in with him, she will always be on the alert for him cheating . And why would she want to swap diamond necklaces, champagne breakfast and illicit sex in fancy hotels for washing his socks and cooking his dinner? So he might end up alone until he can fill that position , which would be a MAJOR hassle with no live in staff and also make him look like a sad loser.

And that’s before we talk about legal fees, pension splitting, selling assets, the huge amount of Time and money he will need to invest in the divorce.

So he would be mad to leave you.

You’d think he could do a better job of faking remorse, wouldn’t you, given everything that’s at stake ? Or maybe he’s just buying time, until he can hide assets / your kids start school / some other reason.

Maybe saying the right words has always worked with you before, so he assumes it will work now?

Maybe your marriage was held together by the fact that you loved and trusted him and now that glue is gone ( or crumbling ) , he only has empty words to give you? It feels fake because it is fake, he says all the right words but his really feelings are leaking through.

Maybe you have stepped through the looking glass and now there’s no going back, however much you want to, because you can’t unsee and unknow things?

You are the only one who knows the answer to these questions. I suspect you do know deep down, but it can be very hard to admit to ourselves. None of us ever thought this would happen to us 😥

As always, these are just my thoughts , please ignore if irrelevant or unhelpful.

Airbrush24 · 27/10/2024 16:16

Spikyseason · 27/10/2024 15:44

So I never saw the receipt. It was the name of the shop on the statement - he said he gave her the receipt as he didn’t want to risk me finding it.

Which shop was it?

Gloriia · 27/10/2024 16:18

I know you said your dm is an alcoholic but do you have any siblings or close friends, any support irl?
If you don't work and have school aged kids how do you fill your days? I'm not suggesting you dash out and get a job but just something to keep you distracted may help.
Has he been in touch whilst away, does he send nice messages or is he a bit switched off?

Doyoumind · 27/10/2024 16:25

AndyMcFlurry · 27/10/2024 16:16

I also just can’t get my head around him staying unless part of him must also want to be with me. How can it work otherwise? You can’t fake an entire marriage for years on end. Although in fairness that’s what he’s been doing for years I suppose.

Of course he wants to stay with you! Look at everything you do, have done and will do for him ! You have given up your own career / pension to support his. My guess is that you either do or organise EVERYTHING to do with the house and children. No doubt you do all the wife work and most of the emotional labour and supply sex on demand , in return for a little of his time and few kind words now and then. You seem thoughtful, intelligent , selfless and considerate - I’m sure you are good company.

You give him lots and lots of free time so he can do his hobbies, see his friends and indulge in affairs. All guilt free and fun for him. Why on earth would be want to give that up? It’s a GREAT DEAL for him.

OTOH if you divorce its a very bad deal for him. It’s going to costs him a lot of time and money , damage his reputation, change things with his kids and his freinds and generally destroy his easy and comfortable life.

He’s not going to see his kids much ( because of the hassle ) and that will make him look really bad. He will try to spin it but you can’t fool everyone all of the time. And it will damage his self image as a “ great dad”.

If his new partner move in with him and looks after the kids for him every second weekend, all well and good. But eventually the kids will complain about this, or she will get fed up with being used. Or both. More hassle, just another thing that needs sorted out. Sigh.

What on earth will he do about childcare , school lunches, homework , PE kit, parents evenings , fancy dress days , play dates, birthday parties, dentist and orthodontists and eye tests and glasses - seriously can you see him doing any of this @Spikyseason ?

You have said that you don’t know if you can manage without him, but my experience is that very VERY a few dads can be arsed to do any of this side of parenting. Yes they want 50% of Christmas days but 0% of the tedious work. You see them ( or their new partners ) on Mn all the time moaning about having to wash school uniform or some other TINY aspect of parenting that they expect their ex to do (along with the other 98%).

And what about OW ? Even if she wants to move in with him, she will always be on the alert for him cheating . And why would she want to swap diamond necklaces, champagne breakfast and illicit sex in fancy hotels for washing his socks and cooking his dinner? So he might end up alone until he can fill that position , which would be a MAJOR hassle with no live in staff and also make him look like a sad loser.

And that’s before we talk about legal fees, pension splitting, selling assets, the huge amount of Time and money he will need to invest in the divorce.

So he would be mad to leave you.

You’d think he could do a better job of faking remorse, wouldn’t you, given everything that’s at stake ? Or maybe he’s just buying time, until he can hide assets / your kids start school / some other reason.

Maybe saying the right words has always worked with you before, so he assumes it will work now?

Maybe your marriage was held together by the fact that you loved and trusted him and now that glue is gone ( or crumbling ) , he only has empty words to give you? It feels fake because it is fake, he says all the right words but his really feelings are leaking through.

Maybe you have stepped through the looking glass and now there’s no going back, however much you want to, because you can’t unsee and unknow things?

You are the only one who knows the answer to these questions. I suspect you do know deep down, but it can be very hard to admit to ourselves. None of us ever thought this would happen to us 😥

As always, these are just my thoughts , please ignore if irrelevant or unhelpful.

I agree with this. It suits him better to stay. It also suits you better as you're scared of life being turned upside down.

But you'll waste your life in this relationship which I'm guessing will almost certainly end at some point. Aren't you just delaying the inevitable?

You're in a kind of denial about things and would be better off either being honest with yourself that you're settling as it's the 'easier' option at the moment, or calling a day on the whole thing and getting the upheaval out of the way. Things will never go back to the way (you thought) they were.

RichTea90 · 27/10/2024 17:09

Are you scared of change? of taking action?

This can be terrifying for someone who has been married for a long time.

I think you are processing everything right now, and you’re doing it via MN forum. Personally, I think you ought to get a good counsellor/therapist and start processing it with them 1:1 and taking charge of your life.

TheTwirlyPoos · 27/10/2024 17:21

Doyoumind · 27/10/2024 16:25

I agree with this. It suits him better to stay. It also suits you better as you're scared of life being turned upside down.

But you'll waste your life in this relationship which I'm guessing will almost certainly end at some point. Aren't you just delaying the inevitable?

You're in a kind of denial about things and would be better off either being honest with yourself that you're settling as it's the 'easier' option at the moment, or calling a day on the whole thing and getting the upheaval out of the way. Things will never go back to the way (you thought) they were.

I think there are more people living like this than you realise. I know of one couple who's DH has told her he doesn't love her anymore. She says it's too late for her to have a chance of happiness and she would hate the publicness of a divorce so they stay together. I find it baffling.

WhatsitWiggle · 27/10/2024 17:28

@Spikyseason you keep asking why he doesn't leave if he doesn't want to be with you. Optics. The lifestyle he has suits him, he doesn't want the alternative. And he can sneak around to get sex or flattery or whatever other kibble the other woman offers.

Seriously, my ex led a double life for 10 years. I'm not making it up. You can check my posts. Don't assume that yours would leave if he didn't love you. He won't want to be the bad guy. He might make things so bad that you eventually ask for the divorce. Or he might drag it out until the kids are older. But do you really want to spend 10 years of your life with a cheater, someone who is lying to you? You can take control of the situation.

AlertCat · 27/10/2024 17:31

Yes, IME these men won’t make themselves look like the ‘bad guy’ because their external image is far more important to them than their actual real life. They’ll torment you (however that looks) until you finally go, but then it’ll be YOUR fault and then who tried and tried and didn’t want to give up…

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