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How to decline working with the OW

239 replies

VelociraptorsVelociRapping · 08/10/2024 13:07

Sorry - just realised that my phone autocorrected the title and I can't edit now I've posted. It should read OW, not OP.

I have posted before about STBXH and OW, who work in the same industry as me. I work in a different organisation to them (they met at work) but the sector is relatively small and there is a lot of inter-organisation networking and collaboration. All of this is voluntary and external to our employers so there is no HR or similar. In my last thread I pretended that we were all in plumbing so I may as well stick with that.

The current issue is this - there are various plumbing-related events in our area, and before STBXH left me I was starting to make a bit of a name for myself as a speaker in local networks. I want to continue to do this if at all possible. OW is a very effective self-publicist and although she is younger and more junior than me she is quite well-known and established as a voice for ‘women in plumbing’. She has some very influential friends in the industry. She is also from an ethnic group which is under-represented in the sector and vocal in networks for this group.

There are a few big events coming up and I have been approached to speak. At one of the events, to which I have already said yes, I’ve now been asked if OW and I would co-facilitate. I cannot work with her. It is as simple as that. The question is what I tell the organisers. If I simply say that I won’t work with her, and refuse to elaborate, I leave myself open to accusations of prejudice (our sector is VERY sensitive to the appearance of any discrimination). If I back out of the event altogether I risk an influential group of people thinking that I am flaky or unreliable, and frankly I don't think I should have to miss out on this opportunity just because she is shagging my STBXH.

I want to tell them very simply that I cannot work with her because she was involved in the break-up of my marriage, with no further details. Is this a terrible idea?

OP posts:
harriethoyle · 13/10/2024 19:19

May I applaud your OW pseudonym @VelociraptorsVelociRapping - going forth I’m going to use an appropriately gendered version of it for those who are vexing me. It’s so deliciously rude without being sweaty. Bravo!

BessiePage · 13/10/2024 19:20

There was way more info than was needed , I'd leave my job and get another job ..not husband 😉 ...and yes tell all why you are leaving , simple as that . Enjoy life 😀

YerArseInParsley · 13/10/2024 19:22

Why didn't u just tell them at the time? I can't work with her because she was having an affair with my husband 🤷‍♀️ did u just smile and nod at the time of being asked?

Tell them her speaking up for other women is laughable as she doesn't mind moving in on other women's husbands. U can't use the word sh*gging but make sure they know she had an AFFAIR with your husband.

BessiePage · 13/10/2024 19:34

Just say what's happened, the firm will avoid putting you will the OW to avoid awkward moments .

Planesmistakenforstars · 13/10/2024 19:36

You've handled this spectacularly well OP. It's a shame that Susan didn't have the integrity to bow out of other situations prior to this, but at least you are ahead of the curve on this and you don't have to deal with her at this event.

lazarusb · 13/10/2024 19:38

VelociraptorsVelociRapping · 13/10/2024 16:06

Thank you for your input, @Autumnalfun, but if you care to read my updates you will see that the senior professional women who organise the conference didn’t share your view.

For what it’s worth, I don’t consider the matter to be ‘dirty laundry’. I’ve done nothing wrong and I have nothing to be ashamed of.

Just wanted to give you some late support. I think you dealt with this perfectly and I'm glad you have had professional support too. You're an absolute queen and all power to you!

CandyLeBonBon · 13/10/2024 19:47

I've just read the full thread and wanted to say well done for handling it with such dignity OP.

Luddite26 · 13/10/2024 19:48

Good luck with the plumbing conference @VelociraptorsVelociRapping. Hope you get what you deserve. Onwards and upwards always hope it takes you to new heights in your plumbing career..💐

Lemonadeand · 13/10/2024 20:13

Love the update. OW basically blinked first.

JJWT · 13/10/2024 20:29

Nothing relevant to add to the thread except to say I too am a successful capable intelligent woman and am in awe of how well you've handled this and so chuffed about the outcome. Let them eat cake. Well done. All the best to you xx

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 13/10/2024 20:36

Autumnalfun · 13/10/2024 15:58

As a professional woman op, in senior management, I’d be appalled you decided it was good to share your dirty laundry with me. I neither need or want to know, never bring your personal life to work. Ignore anyone saying you should.

id be wondering if she is accepting. As she may say no. If she doesn’t, she’s a smart cookie. Tough but smart.

if you really can’t, I’d say simply in this instance I need to decline for personal reasons, but please approach me again,

How toxic of you

R053 · 13/10/2024 20:44

That all worked out really well. And it actually probably helped you in that people now know via indirect means that the circumstances around the marriage breakdown were very difficult.

I am glad you are in a workplace where employees are treated as human beings in terms of recent and ongoing marriage breakdowns. It’s clear from one of the posts that not all workplaces are like that!

whynotshouldi · 13/10/2024 21:05

I work in ESG. This happens a lot. Any points she scores being in a diverse group that markets itself as such gets offset by being involved in a marriage break up 👍

SadSack80 · 13/10/2024 21:12

I’m in awe of you, I couldn’t be in the same room as my husbands OW! Tell the truth, keeping quite only benefits them I’ve found, I’ve found so much strength in telling people he is a viagra taking predictor, if they knew no one would expect that of you x

YRGAM · 13/10/2024 21:14

That's very well handled, OP! You're also a very engaging writer, I hope 'plumbing' lets you make use of that

FleaDog · 13/10/2024 21:15

Autumnalfun · 13/10/2024 15:58

As a professional woman op, in senior management, I’d be appalled you decided it was good to share your dirty laundry with me. I neither need or want to know, never bring your personal life to work. Ignore anyone saying you should.

id be wondering if she is accepting. As she may say no. If she doesn’t, she’s a smart cookie. Tough but smart.

if you really can’t, I’d say simply in this instance I need to decline for personal reasons, but please approach me again,

Then if you are in senior management I can confidently say with that attitude you must be a dismal manager.

andthat · 13/10/2024 21:22

VelociraptorsVelociRapping · 13/10/2024 16:06

Thank you for your input, @Autumnalfun, but if you care to read my updates you will see that the senior professional women who organise the conference didn’t share your view.

For what it’s worth, I don’t consider the matter to be ‘dirty laundry’. I’ve done nothing wrong and I have nothing to be ashamed of.

I love your strength and dignity OP!

BetterOffDeadWillNeverFindAMan · 13/10/2024 21:25

Tell them you don't work with homewrecking whores and show them evidence that she destroyed your marriage. How any woman can trust a man she stole from another woman is beyond foolish. If it's any consolation I'm sure he will do the same to her.

cocoloco23 · 13/10/2024 21:40

OP, you are Queen Plumb. Leaky Bog has dribbled away with the ‘prize’ of your ballcock ex, and you live to fight another day / flush another toilet!

Brava!

PollyPage21 · 13/10/2024 21:41

Personally I'd say I can't work with this woman as she was instrumental in the breakdown of my marriage and leave it at that, you have no legal or personal obligation to elaborate

LetsSeeHowFarWeveCome · 13/10/2024 21:42

Love the puns ... and so pleased it's all come out quietly and they were horrified at Leaky Bog's role in destroying your marriage.

LoveTheRainAndSun · 13/10/2024 21:50

Great outcome, OP. You handled it well. I'm all for just being honest. "She was a factor in the break up of our marriage," is plenty. People will join the dots.

ForeverPombear · 13/10/2024 21:52

RockerRoller · 13/10/2024 16:10

As a professional woman in a senior role in a (male dominated) professional industry, I would have so much more respect for someone telling me the truth rather than a wishy washy excuse that will put me off wanting to work with them again.

This isn’t OP airing her dirty laundry in public. It’s OP staying professional in a very difficult situation. You can be professional and also have empathy, which appears to be a concept you don’t understand.

As a professional woman in a senior role also in a male dominated industry I fully back this.

xxSideshowAuntSallyxx · 13/10/2024 22:29

Autumnalfun · 13/10/2024 15:58

As a professional woman op, in senior management, I’d be appalled you decided it was good to share your dirty laundry with me. I neither need or want to know, never bring your personal life to work. Ignore anyone saying you should.

id be wondering if she is accepting. As she may say no. If she doesn’t, she’s a smart cookie. Tough but smart.

if you really can’t, I’d say simply in this instance I need to decline for personal reasons, but please approach me again,

I agree, bringing your personal life into this sort of thing is unprofessional. And I'm shocked that people are encouraging it, well I'm not this is Mumsnet after all.

Celticgold · 13/10/2024 23:10

I would be honest and say just that. She was involved in the breakup of your marriage. No details needed. Might be difficult I’m sure but honesty will be best. If pressed as to why can’t you put that to one side as I’m sure some people will say be professional tell exactly what you said. Honesty is best.