Anyone watching married at first sight? Eve showing classic signs of narcissism/abuse

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What are your opinions? I’m seeing a classic love bomber, even down to the smile and way she holds herself, she seemed determined to almost immediately engage in push pull, and seems to be eroding slowly Charlie’s sense of self and self esteem. Charlie is mildly histrionic and attaches herself very quickly, but it seems her attachment remains, eve is the typical player, goes all in, and then once she’s hooked someone starts to withdraw, stonewall, punish at any sign of emotion, and talk a lot about essentially how dramatic the other person is and how she has to walk on eggshells? Isn’t it funny that the people who say “I just hate drama” are the ones who tend to constantly create it? Eve has only stopped the love bombing because Charlie was hooked so fast and easily, they are incredibly bad pairing. Eve seems to enjoy seeing how quickly she can get Charlie emotional and seems to always be slyly pushing buttons. She creates situation after situation but puts it all down to Charlie’s emotions and is already smear campaigning her as an angry person who shouts and is abusive. She’s accused her of shouting when she’s not shouting she’s just upset, and seems to get off as a classic narc does when Charlie emotionally explodes while playing herself off a cool, mature, and drama free. Don’t get me wrong, Charlie seems insecure and too invested too quickly but that’s exactly what a narcissist gets off on. I can on one hand understand the pressure of the experiment, but eve acted as though she’d found her soulmate and now she is in the devalue/ semi discard/ gaslighting stage/ smear campaigning to others subtly, what do you guys think?

What is one thing Charlie has done to manipulate eve? Narcissists accuse people of manipulation when all they are trying to do is express their feelings/ talk/ plead for the abuse cycle to stop

other than Charlie falling too quickly and wanting to fall and be deep in a loving relationship (which is supposed to be what they go on the show for anyway) what has she actually done?! Yeh I know .. a bit of shouting at Eve when Eve pushed her to her limit on the honeymoon (of which wasn’t actually shown other than the shouting after so we don’t know exactly how she was provoked therefore feel the need to forgive this outburst!) I don’t think she has behaved aggressively at all, she has a certain personality which would not appeal to everyone & granted can come across as irritating at times, but Eve’s behaviour is calculated and cruel and also provoking Charlie to be needier than she probably usually is because it’s so hot and cold and she feels insecure.

i guess the experts can only do so much prior to the experiment to know the characters they are putting in - they can’t tell who has what tendencies really until they are in a relationship and real issues are played out. I am not entirely sure they should be immediately banned from the show either as the show is about relationships and in healthy relationships they can work through their issues and differences and there they get professional help to do so, they should get the chance to turn things around for a few weeks, they haven’t been in their that long at this stage have they? but later if things don’t improve then of course don’t just leave emotional abusers in there for entertainment!

Totally agree. A feeling person who isn’t in it for a one night stand- and the premise of the show indicates that the majority are there for marriage (some for fame of course) will feel shattered being slept with and then ditched, and on tv, for all to see. If eve hadn’t come on as strong as she did at the beginning she may have held her cards close to her chest/ been far more understanding that eve just wasn’t feeling it yet (if ever), but that’s not what happened. She got classically loved bombed, and I personally cannot stand people that give all the charm and adoration, eye contact, kissing and sex and then just switch it all off out of nowhere. That in itself showed she was a damaged person who doesn’t know herself very well, and doesn’t care about Charlie’s feelings with it. Charlie really liked her and was given every indication it was mutual. Eve bought the very best charm to the table. For someone who is consistent this can be a massive head mess, and really hurt emotionally, but that shouldn’t be something that needs to be explained as it’s obvious. I’d really love to know from those who disagree, what exactly Charlie did that was manipulative? Even if you don’t like people who wear their heart on their sleeve and are openly emotional when feeling used and abandoned, she has not been manipulative at all.

people like eve hate emotion, they want to make the rules, they give what they want to give when they want to give it, they don’t give what the relationship requires and they aren’t in tune with the needs of their partner. Any tone to Charlie’s voice (which just sounds wounded most of the time) is aggression to eve, and that’s deeply unfair, she’s just not listening because it does not serve her to do so. Charlie blew up at her when eve switched the whole thing off and went and slept elsewhere, I think she was shellshocked, she did after all just get mind messed by a narc.

Wow just catching up on last night's episode. Polly WTF? And Eve? Classic DARVO. Both awful. There's no way you could possibly describe Charlie as a bully.

I do think they need to remove Eve and Charlie..

I just seen Charlie’s latest Instagram post. She said it’s another hard watch tonight. She actually apologised for anyone who has been triggered which was obviously unnecessary but so considerate of her. And she gave a thank you to the experts so hopefully they handled it well tonight.

As awful as this is, I think there can be value in broadcasting this kind of behaviour. It goes on so often and I think many people have experienced it be it from a friend, family member, work colleague or romantic partner and it’s not discussed or even shown as much in popular traditional media (tv, movies etc) beyond social media. This will open up a lot of conversations hopefully and help people to see when they’re being abused, gaslighted, bullied etc.

I’m going to make a cuppa then start watching it!

Yeah I haven’t started watching yet, probably will in an hour, and I look forward to hearing peoples thoughts on this evenings episode

I'm watching and already a shocking start from Eve!

its so important this unhealthy behaviour is brought to light, it will help so many going forward to self validate and even for people to spot the red flags and prevent emotional abuse from even happening for some.
I think it is getting a lot more spoken about now but this is just the start! Knowledge is power.

Oh my word, just watching…. Ear to the door on Charlie’s private interview….narcs always need to be in the know, she has to know what Charlie was saying to see what she has to work with manipulation wise. Talk about boundary overstepping controlling psycho

I never understand why people are so quick to crow ‘gaslighting and narcissistic are such overused terms!’. Gaslighting is extremely common, and psychologists believe that as many as one in five people could be classed as having narc tendencies or full-blown NPD. And unfortunately, when you’ve dated two and had a long term relationship with another, the signs and script are clear as day.

Eve has the dead eyes and wary look of the eternal predator, trying to stay one step ahead at all times, fearful of discovery yet craving that triumph of power and inflicting pain. You won’t believe how sadistic people can be until you witness it first hand unfortunately, so I hope the nay sayers have simply had the good fortune to repel these vermin before they can sink their claws in!

I heartily agree with all that you have said

Eve is literally repugnant. Dangerous. Manipulative. Pathetic. Abuser.

Absolutely and good choice of words.

I honestly think if Eve was a man they’d have acted differently and probably had her removed.

I’ll admit I thought Charlie was way too much the first few episodes but as Eves true colours started showing I did a total reversal

Still watching so haven’t read the last few comments as looks like they’re going to leave eve and Charlie until the end. Just stopping by to say richel it seems is only used to toxic men, all she says strongly implies that, and she’s not as healed and strong deep down as she thinks she is. She’s waiting to piss orson off to see what he does, that’s really telling, and I hope he remains strong and steady and shows her real love

On eve now. Notice how her voice is much more high pitched and whiny when she’s talking to others. With Charlie she’s butch and assertive

I thought the same, I think she is great, and he’s turning out to be better than I first thought, I have hope that they could work slowly slowly! But she definitely doesn’t ‘need’ a man Miss independent so will she let him in? who knows!

I think it is getting a lot more spoken about now but this is just the start! Knowledge is power

So true, knowledge is power!

I think as most of us on this thread know narcs / emotional abusers etc love to do research and gather up information on their target and wow was Eve listening at the door not such a perfect example of that in action?!

And the way she flat out denied it even though production staff had witnessed it shows how blatantly they lie and how emotionally dishonest they are.

I think Polly began to realise that Charlie wasn’t in the wrong when that was incident was disclosed which is why she tried to extend kindness to Charlie at the end.

Adding that withholding affection is narc ploy #1, especially after giving it freely in the love bomb stage, and Eve has mentioned several times that she hasn’t kissed Charlie since Mexico (AKA devaluation/headfuck stage).

Spoiler alert!

I loved Charlie’s decision at the end. I think Eve wasn’t expecting that 😂 she thought Charlie was going to grovel and say sorry for the zillionth time. Because if Charlie had written stay according to the rules they would have stayed one more week even though Eve had written leave. Eve would have loved playing the role of suffering wife who was being held captive by cruel Charlie. She was playing games and thought pulling even further from Charlie would lead to being chased even more. And she thought it would make her look like the better one of the two if she was the one who wanted to leave as that “proves” Charlie is the one in the wrong.

Well that didn’t work out for her! As narcs/abusers often do, she underestimated her victim and overestimated her ability to manipulate. I suspect a lot of the cast has distanced themselves from her now.

Wow I didn’t actually see that coming. I think eve wrote leave to ramp up the emotional abuse personally, I don’t think I she thought for a second Charlie would leave and it’s a great way to put her on trial for another week and make her really work for it. I’m glad Charlie saw the light. Yes you are correct, it was a perfect example of a narc information gathering, in fact it was the shortest and most sped up example of narc behaviour I’ve seen on tv, she displayed a lot of the traits, and if it had continued no doubt her “lack of trust” because narcs always use that to make someone work harder, would have manifested into false accusations about all sorts, and full on fights. Charlie really isn’t into conflict, and that’s evident by the way she almost has a panic attack every time eve falsely accuses her, or shuts her down, good luck to Charlie, I hope she finds happiness.

from eve we saw:

lying
gaslighting
manipulation
emotional and sexual witholding
abandonment
control
creating drama
lack of accountability
false promises and false apologies
destruction of Charlie’s self esteem- devaluation
making Charlie work to please her
engaging flying monkeys and smear campaigning her
goading (you’re shouting/ you’re lying)
using the past against her
treating her as untrustworthy without cause
zero effort

and more, anyone that still disagrees eve is majorly personality disordered and a bad bet in a relationship, all I can say is- good luck in your future relationships

If anyone wants to keep this thread open for further mafs convo please do

Ha! Looks like we are on the same page 🤣 predictable narcs

And I was about to write the exact same 😂 what a coup de grace from Charlie there 🧑🏻‍🍳😘👌 I did the same to one of my narcs re rug pulling at the 11th hour and amidst the heartbreak it gave me great pleasure to think of his astonishment at the worm turning! Only took me 20 years of dating but I finally worked the bastards out 🙌