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Other half refuses to work...

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pocketpairs · 28/09/2024 10:32

I would appreciate some genuine advice, so if just going to write "finish relationship", please don't comment.

Both mid 40s, married 18 yrs, 2 DCs. When we got together, DW was very career driven. I grew up in poor family, before we got married , I said in no uncertain terms that "I won't marry someone who won't work (in some form)"

After DC1, she dropped to part time. After DC2 to 1 day w/p, then we mutually agreed she'd stop work until DC was started primary school full time.

Last few years, I've broached the subject about her restarting work, but she's proposed counter-arguments (i.e. who's going to pick DC from school, etc).

Now DC2 is starting secondary school next year, tried to have a serious conversation, and she's said in no uncertain terms she "won't work". She feels we have enough enough to live a comfortable life.

I'm at my wits end, as we don't have enough, and certainly don't have enough for future. Mortgage paid off, I earn £56k (approx), some savings, & £80k pension pot (not much I know!). She has 3 years in DB pension.

So what next?!

OP posts:
BetterOffDeadWillNeverFindAMan · 28/09/2024 20:31

Ash38792 · 28/09/2024 20:30

And those of us who work didn't birth or raise children?! It's not a get out of jail free card for the rest of your life.

If they're not hard up why is it such an issue?

rubeexcube · 28/09/2024 20:32

Love how people are trying to justify staying at home for 6/7 hours a day doing fuck all when the kids are at secondary school.

rubeexcube · 28/09/2024 20:32

BetterOffDeadWillNeverFindAMan · 28/09/2024 20:31

If they're not hard up why is it such an issue?

Because she’s a lazy fucker and he’s going to work all day?

Staunchlystarling · 28/09/2024 20:33

BetterOffDeadWillNeverFindAMan · 28/09/2024 20:31

If they're not hard up why is it such an issue?

What part of they are getting older, kids becoming more expensive and they’ve got virtually no pensions confused you?

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 28/09/2024 20:33

Bunnycat101 · 28/09/2024 20:22

This list is absolutely bloody outrageous as a list of things that try to justify a sahm to older children. We both work full time and do this

  • Do you buy, wash, and iron their uniforms? Yes mainly me
  • Do you make their lunches every day? No- they have lunches in school like many others.
  • Do you keep track of all the school events and take time off work to attend plays, concerts, sports events? Yes both of us do this
  • Do you get up in the night when one of the DCs is throwing up? Yes both of us
  • Do you do the subsequent laundry? Yes as quite clearly it needs to be done
  • Do you schlep them to extra curricular activities or weekdays and weekends? Yes both of us- mainly me during the week and both at weekends
  • Do you buy and wash and pack sports kits? Yes- this takes no time at all
  • Do you choose and buy and wrap birthday gifts when they're invited to parties, and do you drip off and pick up? Yes both of us
  • How many of their friends' parents do you know? Lots of them
  • Do you cook many meals every week? Share cooking between us
  • Do you do laundry for the children? Mainly me
  • Do you get them breakfast? My 5 and 8 year olds are capable of getting breakfast themselves. I’d consider my parenting an absolute failure if a 17 year old couldn’t manage.

To be fair, I dont now do quite a lot of that now but my oldest is 17. She is ND but also hoping to go to University next autumn so she needs to be able to feed herself, understand how to use public transport, manage her pocket money to buy gifts for her friends and do her own laundry as basic life skills.

Sodthebloodymealplan · 28/09/2024 20:33

Weekendsonly · 28/09/2024 19:49

Sometimes people tell you what you want to hear. Even my less ambitious /career driven friends all got part time jobs when their kids went to secondary school , if not before.

It’s possible your wife was never career driven but saw it was important to you so told you what you wanted to hear.

Personally I wouldn’t accept a partner switching up on me like that and becoming a house husband, but you seem to be avoiding confronting this head on for years which has now made things difficult as she’s so used to a certain way of life.

So far you’ve had several pages of responses, and advice. it’s evident you’re going to have to be very clear to your wife about the impact this is having on you, you’re relationship, how it will impact your children’s uni options etc and your pensions etc.

Come with charts, facts etc if you need to but it’s a conversation you need to be having. Either have it out with her now or put up with her not working forevermore because if she refuses to work until the youngest is done with secondary school ,she’ll have even more excuses about why it’s hard to get back into the job market.

You are making a rod for your own back the longer this continues.

Edited

Agreed. I was trying to work out how to phrase this. People say what they think others want to hear all the time.

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 28/09/2024 20:33

BetterOffDeadWillNeverFindAMan · 28/09/2024 20:28

You earn 56k and no mortgage? That's plenty. Unless she's spending a lot of your money what is the issue? This is the woman who birthed and raised your children.

Pensions. His is poor, hers is nonexistent.

TheMoth · 28/09/2024 20:34

BetterOffDeadWillNeverFindAMan · 28/09/2024 20:28

You earn 56k and no mortgage? That's plenty. Unless she's spending a lot of your money what is the issue? This is the woman who birthed and raised your children.

I'm totally using this every time I cba doing anything.

BetterOffDeadWillNeverFindAMan · 28/09/2024 20:35

Is she unable to work for any reason, is she very overweight?

pocketpairs · 28/09/2024 20:35

Goldbar · 28/09/2024 15:34

What if she says, yes I would like to go back to work but I don't want to just do some small, boring job that fits in with school hours. This is what I'd like to do and it involves travel away from home or unsocial hours, so you'll have to take over as being the main parent/homemaker for at least some of the time.

Would that be a discussion that you'd be willing to have?

Of course, 2 adults working brings more opportunities for both of us, and is fully support. She has done many thing she's passionate about now..I'd just like her to be remunerated for one or two of those..to help family finances.

OP posts:
Addictforanex · 28/09/2024 20:35

TheMoth · 28/09/2024 20:34

I'm totally using this every time I cba doing anything.

😂

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 28/09/2024 20:36

I'm totally using this every time I cba doing anything.

Me too.

redtrain123 · 28/09/2024 20:37

Woman works full time and husband has been sahp. . Now kids are in secondary school and he’s unwilling to get a job, any job, but wants to continue going his hobbies, volunteering etc.

How fickke mn is. They’d be alot of replies if written differently.

soupfiend · 28/09/2024 20:37

BetterOffDeadWillNeverFindAMan · 28/09/2024 20:35

Is she unable to work for any reason, is she very overweight?

Bit random?

Ash38792 · 28/09/2024 20:38

TheMoth · 28/09/2024 20:34

I'm totally using this every time I cba doing anything.

😂 I'm not sure either of us could keep a straight face for long if I said that.

NerrSnerr · 28/09/2024 20:41

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 28/09/2024 20:36

I'm totally using this every time I cba doing anything.

Me too.

Me too- already told my husband I'm quitting on Monday. Least he can do is financially support me for the rest of my life because I had his kids.

pocketpairs · 28/09/2024 20:44

HoopLaLah · 28/09/2024 15:55

So in other words, the OP’s position translates as:
> “I refused to do any childcare or school pick ups because that would inconvenience me and affect my earning potential;
> I was keen for my wife to take on all the inconvenient and career-limiting family duties and to have no income of her own and no pension of her own as her reward for the privilege of being the woman who enabled me to become a parent;
> now that it’s occurred to me that there’s an alternative family member (GCSE-aged teenage child) available to make sure I never have to do a school run for the youngest child, I am now rebranding my wife’s support for my career and the sacrifice of her financial independence as laziness on her part;
> I’m posting on mumsnet in the hope that I’ll be able to tell her that women on mumsnet think she should do as I say.

I mostly always do the pickups, as I mainly work from home.

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Weekendsonly · 28/09/2024 20:44

NerrSnerr · 28/09/2024 20:41

Me too- already told my husband I'm quitting on Monday. Least he can do is financially support me for the rest of my life because I had his kids.

Sounds fair 😏

Runnerinthenight · 28/09/2024 20:46

BetterOffDeadWillNeverFindAMan · 28/09/2024 20:28

You earn 56k and no mortgage? That's plenty. Unless she's spending a lot of your money what is the issue? This is the woman who birthed and raised your children.

Crapology.

Hodge00079 · 28/09/2024 20:46

It seems to be as if the goalposts have moved. It seems that being financially stable is important to you OP, perhaps because of upbringing. Were you originally on the same page (pre marriage and early parenthood)? Was wife happy going back to work when children school age?

It sounds like the situation is causing stress. I think the fact that not even willing to discuss. You might have a discussion and work through scenarios. After this it may turn out that working would not be beneficial. That extra time you would need to put in does not work. However, at least you would have explored it and feel listened to.

Does wife actually know how much things cost? Is she aware of the increasing cost of living? Some people are actively involved with bills and shopping etc. Others leave to other half.

Even if children go to uni close by there are still costs. Have you asked wife how this is going to be paid for?

Are you working standard hours or extra to maintain lifestyle? What would happen if you voluntary or involuntary reduced hours? How would it go down if you went part time to pursue hobby/voluntary work but stepped up on the home front. Taking some of the work in the house from wife.

It sounds like wife is not lazy as she has voluntary work. Does voluntary work require commitment at set times or more ad hoc which works with children etc? Does she like people to think you are well off as a family? That if she worked even for a small period that would impact status and how people see her. If not, would she think about a temp job? That way, tried it and not committing.

Have you asked her that apart from the fact she thinks you earn enough for both, is there anything else? Have you said how it makes you feel that will not even discuss it? Perhaps there is a reason that she thinks you might think is silly. Have you asked her if there is paid work that she would like to do? Even if this means retraining? If so, could you support her emotionally and financially?

If you don't want to leave wife if she won't work, could you safeguard family future in another way? Perhaps put aside extra funds for pension and uni. If that means less spending money day to day so be it.

Staunchlystarling · 28/09/2024 20:46

NerrSnerr · 28/09/2024 20:41

Me too- already told my husband I'm quitting on Monday. Least he can do is financially support me for the rest of my life because I had his kids.

Me too. I birthed your kids mate. Open yer wallet. I’m quitting. 😂

Bertielong3 · 28/09/2024 20:48

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Runnerinthenight · 28/09/2024 20:48

BetterOffDeadWillNeverFindAMan · 28/09/2024 20:31

If they're not hard up why is it such an issue?

Because they're going to be up shit creek when they retire, among many other reasons!!!!

unmemorableusername · 28/09/2024 20:48

Try valuing her unpaid work.

If I had no mortgage I'd not work either!

She still does childcare for the DCs. You just don't appreciate her.

Also why are so many men coming on MUMsnet complaining about mums?

pocketpairs · 28/09/2024 20:49

rainingsnoring · 28/09/2024 16:05

Fair point.
@pocketpairs how would you feel if you wife did secure a full time job? How much are you prepared to take on in terms of housework, planning, etc?

I hate my job, so I'd gladly drop a day or two, and happily do all the housework.

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