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3.5 years later and he’s leaving his wife…

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Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 19:51

A few years ago I had an affair with a MM. I was single, met him at a vulnerable time having escaped an abusive relationship. He supported me financially and helped me rebuild my life, and at the time I selfishly was focused on trying to survive and that’s it really. I lost everything leaving my ex and was starting from scratch. It was supposed to be an arrangement that worked for us both mutually.

We totally fell for each other. It was totally unplanned and unexpected and I was blindsided by it. I guess his wife noticed a change in him, and after nearly a year she found out. Part of me was relieved because I was finding it hard and obviously did not feel good about what I was doing. But it devastated my life. He tossed me aside like I was nothing. Said he had to stay for his kids. I was so badly affected I was hospitalised twice with severe anxiety. I had felt so deeply that he loved me so it was completely horrific. He still contacted me without her knowing from time to time despite trying to ‘reconcile’ with his wife. Mostly to say he was powerless in the situation and she was threatening to take the kids. I wasn’t the only woman he’d cheated with. He’d been doing it for years but had never been found out. He said he was very good at ‘compartmentalising’ until then, apparently.

Anyway. He stopped contacting me but continued stalking me online for over a year. I eventually confronted him. He admitted he loved me. Apologised for doing it and thought I hadn’t realised. Said he regretted marrying her. It was only for the kids. I said I had to block him and he didn’t want me to but understood. I did so but only on SM, not his phone.

So life carried on, I had been rebuilding my life and retrained in a whole new career. Rebuilt my finances after being financially abused by my ex. It’s been hell and the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I’m finally in a good place. New home, new job. Lovely housemates. I objectively know he’s been a shit. But there was not a day that went by I didn’t think of him. The whole thing was totally incongruous to who he was as a person, or thought he was, but yet he still did it. I have never been able to get my head around it.

So anyway. Over three years later and he has gotten in touch, and said they are separating. He wants to meet and I have no idea what to do. On one hand, he nearly destroyed me by doing what he did. I know objectively he is completely flawed as a person. On the other hand I have never felt for anyone the way I felt about him and it felt mutual. Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me.

I’m so torn as to whether to leave it alone or meet up and hear him out. I don’t want to compromise what I’ve built but also don’t want to regret it.

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again. My whole life has changed. I have sacrificed so much and had to face the abuse I suffered not just from my ex but from my childhood. I am not even the same person and usually this would mean he means nothing to me because I’ve evolved beyond it, but part of me still loves him. It’s not limerance or a trauma bond, it’s been years now, but still something I have never been able to shake despite seeing him for who he is and what he’s done.

Would appreciate thoughts. Is he just an inherently bad person? I know what I did was wrong but I did everything I could to better myself and make sure I wasn’t in that situation again. I don’t know if he’s done the same.

OP posts:
DoreenonTill8 · 28/09/2024 19:39

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 18:53

I hardly think he could control when she called him. He was embarrassed by it if anything. But look, you really want to persist with the notion I am a money grabbing demon incapable of any empathy and zero insight into a situation I was the one actually privy to.

think what you want. I’m not sure why you’re so invested in attacking me. That’s your issue.

Attacking you? How is that attacking you?
Does it help your view that you were a poor, choiceless victim?

Pinkpenlid · 28/09/2024 19:43

some posters hysterically trying to project their own experiences onto you OP🙄

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 19:46

Pinkpenlid · 28/09/2024 19:43

some posters hysterically trying to project their own experiences onto you OP🙄

Yes I know and expected it 🙃

OP posts:
Elasticatedtrousers · 28/09/2024 19:49

Pinkpenlid · 28/09/2024 19:43

some posters hysterically trying to project their own experiences onto you OP🙄

You’re absolutely right @Pinkpenlid actually having experience of being an abused wife cheated on gives us NO RIGHT to think that an abused wife being cheated on ‘might’ be angry at her situation.

Thank goodness for you and your wisdom 🙄

DoreenonTill8 · 28/09/2024 19:55

Elasticatedtrousers · 28/09/2024 19:49

You’re absolutely right @Pinkpenlid actually having experience of being an abused wife cheated on gives us NO RIGHT to think that an abused wife being cheated on ‘might’ be angry at her situation.

Thank goodness for you and your wisdom 🙄

Edited

Can't you think of the true injured party here @Elasticatedtrousers?! Not the wife or the dc, but the OW!!

Babbadoobabbadock · 28/09/2024 20:16

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XChrome · 28/09/2024 21:08

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 19:39

Slow Saturday evening is it?

You're trying to imply something here and I think I can guess what it is.
Please be upfront instead of passive aggressive.

DownLifting · 28/09/2024 22:51

DoreenonTill8 · 28/09/2024 19:55

Can't you think of the true injured party here @Elasticatedtrousers?! Not the wife or the dc, but the OW!!

Can you believe the ordacity of the wife trying to contact her h, knowing full well he's up to no good.

How very dare she interupt the ow's time with her husband.
She sounds utterly abusive op, how did you ever comfort him from these traumatic phone calls.

DownLifting · 28/09/2024 22:59

The truth is op, all women who have had a gaslighting abusive cheat for a partner have had these moments, whereby your h answers the phone and you KNOW his voice has changed. He's speaking to you like a stranger or even worse like shit, with a mocking tone .

So you think this is abuse, her not responding with politeness and kitten voice to ask when he's coming back for some dinner, leaving you get on with the buisness. You are deluded or a narcisist yourself if you lack the empathy of actually hearing a woman in pain asking her h what he is doing.

That takes some nasty values to stand by and turn that round and call her the abuser, I suppose you just had a good laugh though both of you at her expense, it would be funny if it wern't so utterly revolting.
That poor woman.

Babbadoobabbadock · 29/09/2024 09:16

Calling the wife an abuser and having the nerve to blame her shows your true colours very well

Opensesameseeds · 29/09/2024 09:59

I saw first hand how she spoke to him over the phone and via email and text. Maybe it was reactive abuse, who knows.

I’ve never been married, cheated on or been the OW. I also don’t have kids. But reading this has been so upsetting. You have shown little regard for the poor children at the centre of this.

You’ve also claimed that an abused woman (and yes she was abused if he’s a serial cheat) was mean and abusive because of her text or phone communication. You say “maybe” that was reactive and “who knows”. Of course it was reactive and you know that!

She either knew deep down he was a cheat or she was reacting to some other abuses that you’re not privvy to since you’ve never met her or been a fly on the wall in their house .

How good of marriage do you think she had if he was always out gallivanting with other women and maligning her name to them ? Do you not think that attitude would have affected the way he interacted with her?

Or do you think he somehow spent lots of quality time doing lovely things for her and mysteriously was able to treat with this awful women with respect in between all his affairs?

You seem massively self centred and unable to see things from his wife’s POV. Her marriage sounds nightmarish and she probably stuck it out because she was trying for the kids.

I agree with others that this is unfortunately who you are right now and you need to do a lot more work to fully accept accountability in all this and to develop empathy or it’s likely to happen again.

Jigglytuff26 · 29/09/2024 10:09

Opensesameseeds · 29/09/2024 09:59

I saw first hand how she spoke to him over the phone and via email and text. Maybe it was reactive abuse, who knows.

I’ve never been married, cheated on or been the OW. I also don’t have kids. But reading this has been so upsetting. You have shown little regard for the poor children at the centre of this.

You’ve also claimed that an abused woman (and yes she was abused if he’s a serial cheat) was mean and abusive because of her text or phone communication. You say “maybe” that was reactive and “who knows”. Of course it was reactive and you know that!

She either knew deep down he was a cheat or she was reacting to some other abuses that you’re not privvy to since you’ve never met her or been a fly on the wall in their house .

How good of marriage do you think she had if he was always out gallivanting with other women and maligning her name to them ? Do you not think that attitude would have affected the way he interacted with her?

Or do you think he somehow spent lots of quality time doing lovely things for her and mysteriously was able to treat with this awful women with respect in between all his affairs?

You seem massively self centred and unable to see things from his wife’s POV. Her marriage sounds nightmarish and she probably stuck it out because she was trying for the kids.

I agree with others that this is unfortunately who you are right now and you need to do a lot more work to fully accept accountability in all this and to develop empathy or it’s likely to happen again.

Edited

I really do just think you need to accept that I might know more about the situation, and myself, than you do. The fact is he was doing all of this before he even met me. I have acknowledged my complicity and addressed everything that meant I got myself into that situation. I would never do it again and I clearly do not feel good about what I did. But I am not solely or equally culpable for what this man did to his family.

OP posts:
DoreenonTill8 · 29/09/2024 10:32

The fact is he was doing all of this before he even met me.
And will do ad nauseum....

Babbadoobabbadock · 29/09/2024 10:50

You said the wife was abusive - a woman you don’t know and have never met

Jigglytuff26 · 29/09/2024 10:59

Babbadoobabbadock · 29/09/2024 10:50

You said the wife was abusive - a woman you don’t know and have never met

narcs, or those on that spectrum have very specific ‘tells’. Given I lived with one for years it’s not as though I have zero experience of this.

and had I cheated on my abuser, it would not have made him suddenly the innocent party. It really wouldn’t. You’ve also never met me, or her. And yet you’re apparently more qualified to make a judgement, whereas because I never met her I have no idea?

makes sense.

OP posts:
kookoocachoo · 29/09/2024 11:02

When the husband with OW ….

and wife’s on the phone or texting …. And she seems abusive ….

How is wife supposed to be acting when her DH is lying about where he is and what he’s doing. None of his crap lies makes any sense - DH saying & doing all lies every moment of their communication.

The DH, the OW are the abusive people. Lying to a third person and blaming her for the way she is reacting to dishonesty and family absence.

I think you should get back with him, although neither you will have the cheaters high, and after a short time your non-cheating routine real life will be familiar for him and he will most likely already be cultivating outside relationships as is his habit … you will be naturally suspicious all the time. Try for your phone call and text communications to be all trust and love … all the time … even when you feel betrayed.

It’s inevitable that you get back with him, just to see …

Babbadoobabbadock · 29/09/2024 11:12

Are you for real ?? You’re shagging her husband, he cheats all over the place and yet she’s the abuser ??????
Are you implying that it’s her fault he cheats ?

Jigglytuff26 · 29/09/2024 11:18

Babbadoobabbadock · 29/09/2024 11:12

Are you for real ?? You’re shagging her husband, he cheats all over the place and yet she’s the abuser ??????
Are you implying that it’s her fault he cheats ?

Edited

I love how you haven’t actually properly read any of my posts, where I specifically said I was not saying this.

I suggest you do something enjoyable with your weekend rather than trying to goad me into a fight.

OP posts:
DoYouReally · 29/09/2024 11:32

After reading the last few posts, you should just actually.go for it, get back in touch, you are a match made in Heaven.

Your tone, attitude and behaviour say a lot about you.

BogusHocusPocus · 29/09/2024 11:40

He could have had you 3.5 years (or whatever) ago, but he "tossed you aside like you were nothing".

Fool you once, shame on him
Fool you twice, shame on you, OP

You're going to feel extremely shit about yourself if you let him do it to you twice.

YankeeDad · 29/09/2024 11:59

@Jigglytuff26 I think you are getting a lot of unwarranted flak here and I hope you will be kinder to yourself than some of the posters.

You made a mistake, a bad one, and then you owned it and change your behaviour. The owning and changing is more than most people do.

You know what is the right thing to do for yourself, ie cut off contact with your former affair partner, and you are finding it difficult and wondering why. That makes you human. It does not make you a bad person. There are aspects of this guy, or at least your image of him, that you loved, There are other aspects, including the fact that he is a serial cheater, that make him bad news for you.

To start up again would be a bad behaviour, mainly towards yourself, and you know that, and you have said you are not going to do it.

The only concrete suggestions I can make are 1) be kind to yourself, stop beating yourself up and 2) give more of your attention to "what's next" and making that happen, and give less of your attention to the past.

Jigglytuff26 · 29/09/2024 12:37

YankeeDad · 29/09/2024 11:59

@Jigglytuff26 I think you are getting a lot of unwarranted flak here and I hope you will be kinder to yourself than some of the posters.

You made a mistake, a bad one, and then you owned it and change your behaviour. The owning and changing is more than most people do.

You know what is the right thing to do for yourself, ie cut off contact with your former affair partner, and you are finding it difficult and wondering why. That makes you human. It does not make you a bad person. There are aspects of this guy, or at least your image of him, that you loved, There are other aspects, including the fact that he is a serial cheater, that make him bad news for you.

To start up again would be a bad behaviour, mainly towards yourself, and you know that, and you have said you are not going to do it.

The only concrete suggestions I can make are 1) be kind to yourself, stop beating yourself up and 2) give more of your attention to "what's next" and making that happen, and give less of your attention to the past.

Thanks, I appreciate it - I recognise that some people will have their own reasons for needing to have such an entrenched view of me and the situation, but when people come out with pitchforks the whole thing stops being constructive, so I’ll step away from the thread now.

OP posts:
Itstimetoquit · 29/09/2024 12:41

The old saying you lose them how you get them"! He is after sex! You have built a nice life please don't ruin it by having a cheater back in your life x

DownLifting · 29/09/2024 13:53

You asked in your first post "is he an inherently bad person" ?

You believe he was only bad to you, not to his wife or his family, just you. I don't think you knew this man at all, he will chew you up and spit you out again if you get back together. This stuff lasts a lifetime, you are one of his many women in his harem, every word he speaks probably a lie, serial cheats are unable to stop, it is their game and he will not stop for you. That's the lie you have been fed, you are different and special enough for him to be monogomous. You really believe it's love and the only reason he had affairs was because of his wife, rubbish he will have been doing this since he met her, and he will have done this whilst with you, flirting and chatting others up for new connections.

For instance do you know if he was 'faithful' to you when you were in the midst of the affair ? I should imagine you would like to think so.
Your niavity is astounding and also your knowledge of narcissim, don't you know the very best ones come with a gorgeous smile and a glowing reputation. You really arn't strong enough for this man, you have already been hospitalized, could you imagine what damage he could do if he were your primary partner.

This wouldn't be your dream come true it would be a nightmare.

Saying that though, you are bessotted and nothing will change your view of him, you will learn the hard way, better book now for a GP appointment, they are hard to get.

DownLifting · 29/09/2024 14:05

I would also say that the real reason for him getting in touch after so long is to use you as a decoy.