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3.5 years later and he’s leaving his wife…

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Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 19:51

A few years ago I had an affair with a MM. I was single, met him at a vulnerable time having escaped an abusive relationship. He supported me financially and helped me rebuild my life, and at the time I selfishly was focused on trying to survive and that’s it really. I lost everything leaving my ex and was starting from scratch. It was supposed to be an arrangement that worked for us both mutually.

We totally fell for each other. It was totally unplanned and unexpected and I was blindsided by it. I guess his wife noticed a change in him, and after nearly a year she found out. Part of me was relieved because I was finding it hard and obviously did not feel good about what I was doing. But it devastated my life. He tossed me aside like I was nothing. Said he had to stay for his kids. I was so badly affected I was hospitalised twice with severe anxiety. I had felt so deeply that he loved me so it was completely horrific. He still contacted me without her knowing from time to time despite trying to ‘reconcile’ with his wife. Mostly to say he was powerless in the situation and she was threatening to take the kids. I wasn’t the only woman he’d cheated with. He’d been doing it for years but had never been found out. He said he was very good at ‘compartmentalising’ until then, apparently.

Anyway. He stopped contacting me but continued stalking me online for over a year. I eventually confronted him. He admitted he loved me. Apologised for doing it and thought I hadn’t realised. Said he regretted marrying her. It was only for the kids. I said I had to block him and he didn’t want me to but understood. I did so but only on SM, not his phone.

So life carried on, I had been rebuilding my life and retrained in a whole new career. Rebuilt my finances after being financially abused by my ex. It’s been hell and the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I’m finally in a good place. New home, new job. Lovely housemates. I objectively know he’s been a shit. But there was not a day that went by I didn’t think of him. The whole thing was totally incongruous to who he was as a person, or thought he was, but yet he still did it. I have never been able to get my head around it.

So anyway. Over three years later and he has gotten in touch, and said they are separating. He wants to meet and I have no idea what to do. On one hand, he nearly destroyed me by doing what he did. I know objectively he is completely flawed as a person. On the other hand I have never felt for anyone the way I felt about him and it felt mutual. Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me.

I’m so torn as to whether to leave it alone or meet up and hear him out. I don’t want to compromise what I’ve built but also don’t want to regret it.

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again. My whole life has changed. I have sacrificed so much and had to face the abuse I suffered not just from my ex but from my childhood. I am not even the same person and usually this would mean he means nothing to me because I’ve evolved beyond it, but part of me still loves him. It’s not limerance or a trauma bond, it’s been years now, but still something I have never been able to shake despite seeing him for who he is and what he’s done.

Would appreciate thoughts. Is he just an inherently bad person? I know what I did was wrong but I did everything I could to better myself and make sure I wasn’t in that situation again. I don’t know if he’s done the same.

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Tangerinenets · 27/09/2024 11:25

There’s a special place in hell for women who go after married men. He devastated your life? 🙄. Imagine what you high did to his wife snd children. You deserve each other.

Tangerinenets · 27/09/2024 11:28

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 20:31

I guess you’ve never been in a bad place in your life and made bad choices, ever.

Yes I have been in a bad place because of women like you destroying families.

Caramellie3 · 27/09/2024 11:29

Never go backwards would be my advice. You met him when you were vulnerable and he did not choose you. He is a cheat on multiple occasions. He will do the same again. He probably chooses partners who are more vulnerable than him. You have worked so hard to rebuild your life keep going forward find someone who won’t risk losing you. He already lost you. He doesn’t get to drop you and pick you up.

Deafdonkey · 27/09/2024 11:33

Tangerinenets · 27/09/2024 11:28

Yes I have been in a bad place because of women like you destroying families.

Ridiculous. It is the person that is in a relationship that is the reason families are destroyed.

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 11:37

Tangerinenets · 27/09/2024 11:28

Yes I have been in a bad place because of women like you destroying families.

He did that. I was complicit and I have taken accountability by rectifying the behaviours and choices I made which lead to that, but I did not destroy his family. He had been doing this for years before me. Sorry this happened to you but the fault lies predominantly with your partner / husband.

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RedHelenB · 27/09/2024 13:30

Tangerinenets · 27/09/2024 11:25

There’s a special place in hell for women who go after married men. He devastated your life? 🙄. Imagine what you high did to his wife snd children. You deserve each other.

This.

ArabellaScott · 27/09/2024 13:59

Lavenderblossoms · 27/09/2024 10:50

Remember, when you dream of being rescued, you've already rescued yourself.

I'm sorry for all you've been through and I won't be a pile on.

What I would say to you is this. You don't need him to rescue you or talk to him for closure. You can make your own closure by closing the door on him.

Do not sacrifice your hard earned peace for more chaos. I reckon it's like better the devil you know because your childhood self and adult self, it was all you knew. Maybe you view him as an anchor in some way but unfortunately he isn't.

You are the anchor. You've done amazing to create a new life. Keep moving forward and working on yourself promise your younger self you will never allow yourself to be used and abused again.

You can meet someone who doesn't do these things. They are out there. But keep on working yourself. Maybe explore therapy more on as to why you are feeling the way you do. It could help unlock why.

Mumsnet isn't always the best place for things like this. Because many of them have been hurt by cheating men so it's hard for them to see. I understand that. But lashing out doesn't help anyone.

Good luck to you op.

Absolutely.

Tangerinenets · 27/09/2024 14:55

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 11:37

He did that. I was complicit and I have taken accountability by rectifying the behaviours and choices I made which lead to that, but I did not destroy his family. He had been doing this for years before me. Sorry this happened to you but the fault lies predominantly with your partner / husband.

It lies with both parties.

Tangerinenets · 27/09/2024 14:56

Deafdonkey · 27/09/2024 11:33

Ridiculous. It is the person that is in a relationship that is the reason families are destroyed.

It’s both parties. It’s not ridiculous at all.

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 15:06

Tangerinenets · 27/09/2024 14:55

It lies with both parties.

Notice I said ‘predominantly’.

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jeaux90 · 27/09/2024 15:20

@gamerchick and @ArabellaScott are right.

Firstly you have gone through a lot, so well done for pulling yourself back from the edge and creating a stable life. The more comfortable you are in your own skin the better boundaries you will have and the less willing you become to lower those for men like this one.

The most important gift we can give ourselves is financial independence and being comfortable in our own company.

He is probably finding it harder into his 40s to pull the same women he used to, just remember, many men are absolutely disgraceful and will do or say anything for their own ends.

The best thing you can be to him is the one who got away.

Buildingthefuture · 27/09/2024 15:29

I hate the “I never promised anyone anything” rubbish. I never promised I wouldn’t take a shit on your living room carpet, but you’d be pretty pissed off if I did.

And it isn’t “weird” that betrayed wives hate the OW or that some stay and try to work it out. I don’t think any of them are unaware that their husband is the ultimate twat in the scenario but they have a lifetime of love and memories and often children together. Her relationship with him is far more complicated than hers with you - you are just the vile OW to her. What did you think she would think of you???

jsku · 27/09/2024 15:53

@Jigglytuff26

Life is complicated. And people are not all good or all bad.

You had an affair, fell in love, both if you by the sound of it. He then tried to do the right thing and stay to fix it for the kids. Its respectably. Yes - it caused YOU pain - but his prioritising his kids shows he is not all rotten.
Also - gave you tine to re-build your own life

IF you both are still thinking about each other - despite the time passing - AND circumstances have changed…. I think you should see if you may make it work.
Life is short to just throw feelings like that away

kookoocachoo · 27/09/2024 16:36

One of my adult friends, hates her mum because she thinks it’s HER MUM’s FAULT that her dad had an long term affair with a married woman 20 years younger… it baffles me as I know her mum, I just don’t see how it’s her fault that her dad pursued a 22 yr old married woman when he was in his 40s.

Clearly her dad did some brainwashing …

Fastback · 27/09/2024 16:48

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 09:43

Sorry to disappoint but I have not messaged him. If there’s anything to figure out it’s why I find it so hard to accept him for what he is.

I have blocked him and it will stay that way but as I said it wasn’t easy and should have been.

That isn’t disappointing to me. It’s encouraging. I don’t want you to go back to that scumbag. He’s deceptive and out for himself. The nature of the thread made me fairly certain you would go back…

DoreenonTill8 · 27/09/2024 16:53

jsku · 27/09/2024 15:53

@Jigglytuff26

Life is complicated. And people are not all good or all bad.

You had an affair, fell in love, both if you by the sound of it. He then tried to do the right thing and stay to fix it for the kids. Its respectably. Yes - it caused YOU pain - but his prioritising his kids shows he is not all rotten.
Also - gave you tine to re-build your own life

IF you both are still thinking about each other - despite the time passing - AND circumstances have changed…. I think you should see if you may make it work.
Life is short to just throw feelings like that away

What? Are you even reading the same thread where the OP acknowledges he's a narcissistic twat??

Theseventhmagpie · 27/09/2024 17:03

BippityBopper · 26/09/2024 19:57

I can't believe you even have to ask. It's showing no amount of shame or guilt for what you did and no self respect.

IGNORE HIM.

This

Babbadoobabbadock · 27/09/2024 17:05

jsku · 27/09/2024 15:53

@Jigglytuff26

Life is complicated. And people are not all good or all bad.

You had an affair, fell in love, both if you by the sound of it. He then tried to do the right thing and stay to fix it for the kids. Its respectably. Yes - it caused YOU pain - but his prioritising his kids shows he is not all rotten.
Also - gave you tine to re-build your own life

IF you both are still thinking about each other - despite the time passing - AND circumstances have changed…. I think you should see if you may make it work.
Life is short to just throw feelings like that away

What a load of shite

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 17:06

jsku · 27/09/2024 15:53

@Jigglytuff26

Life is complicated. And people are not all good or all bad.

You had an affair, fell in love, both if you by the sound of it. He then tried to do the right thing and stay to fix it for the kids. Its respectably. Yes - it caused YOU pain - but his prioritising his kids shows he is not all rotten.
Also - gave you tine to re-build your own life

IF you both are still thinking about each other - despite the time passing - AND circumstances have changed…. I think you should see if you may make it work.
Life is short to just throw feelings like that away

I could get on board with the ‘devoted father’ stance more if he hadn’t continued to lie to his wife even after she found out / he confessed the others. He still continued to stalk me online and contact me and divulged a lot of personal things about her and them, confessed feelings for me and was at least emotionally cheating even after ‘reconciliation’.

logically that tells me he hasn’t changed. Still deciding who knows the truth and when. I made a lot of excuses for him but this was hard to explain away. I do not think this situation is good for children but apparently they had been ‘completely protected from it’.

I do logically agree he is objectively bad news. I have emailed my therapist and asked to arrange another session to work out why out of everyone I’ve had to let go, he is the hardest.

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Muffinlover2 · 27/09/2024 17:07

I am not saying this is the case with the op because I don't know her obviously and it's mean to judge her personally so harshly, so this is not a jibe at you. But is this handringing and agony about whether you should meet up again not an extension or a warped form of the ego boosting mechanism that caused the affair in the first place.

You have done well to improve your life the way you have. You should be proud of yourself, but if you are really free of this man's influence and the fear and insecurities that pushed you towards him in the first place, why are you even considering it?

All the best.

kookoocachoo · 27/09/2024 17:13

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 17:06

I could get on board with the ‘devoted father’ stance more if he hadn’t continued to lie to his wife even after she found out / he confessed the others. He still continued to stalk me online and contact me and divulged a lot of personal things about her and them, confessed feelings for me and was at least emotionally cheating even after ‘reconciliation’.

logically that tells me he hasn’t changed. Still deciding who knows the truth and when. I made a lot of excuses for him but this was hard to explain away. I do not think this situation is good for children but apparently they had been ‘completely protected from it’.

I do logically agree he is objectively bad news. I have emailed my therapist and asked to arrange another session to work out why out of everyone I’ve had to let go, he is the hardest.

Will therapist ask you-
What “positives” do you get from this man, that make you consider going back?

renoleno · 27/09/2024 17:26

You struggle to let go of him because (i) he was your bright spot/excitement during a dark, miserable time in your life (ii) letting go of him means having to open up to a healthy, loving, honest relationship which is scary to you, as you've never experienced it.

This man is scum. He's a coward (all cheats are because they're too scared to be alone, and leave their marriage), a liar, and lacking empathy. Oh and a crap dad, for raising his kids to normalise and live with his repeated infidelity. If he has a daughter, she's likely to end up with a cheater just like you ended up with someone abusive like your family. If someone described his character to you before you'd met him, would you have thought, "YES! That's my person"? As a younger woman if someone had described his character as your life partner - would you have been excited for your future?

He will always be a liar and a cheater because of something broken inside him, that you cannot fix. You will spend your life being a victim and feeling miserable like you did with your ex if you respond to him or let him back in your life.

Onwards and upwards - and therapy to help you let go of him, and move on to healthier relationships without the drama.

renoleno · 27/09/2024 17:29

Oh and of course his children aren't 'protected from it' as he tells you. He lacks the emotional depth and awareness to understand how his actions affect his children. Cheaters always think no one knows - children KNOW and can sense when things are not right. He's just a self absorbed man child who isn't spending enough time with his kids, with all the cheating he's doing. You don't even know if he's cheated on her with other women since you, and has hit them all up with the same message, and stalking them all. Like a tiger with his prey.

jsku · 27/09/2024 18:06

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 17:06

I could get on board with the ‘devoted father’ stance more if he hadn’t continued to lie to his wife even after she found out / he confessed the others. He still continued to stalk me online and contact me and divulged a lot of personal things about her and them, confessed feelings for me and was at least emotionally cheating even after ‘reconciliation’.

logically that tells me he hasn’t changed. Still deciding who knows the truth and when. I made a lot of excuses for him but this was hard to explain away. I do not think this situation is good for children but apparently they had been ‘completely protected from it’.

I do logically agree he is objectively bad news. I have emailed my therapist and asked to arrange another session to work out why out of everyone I’ve had to let go, he is the hardest.

I see it completely differently.
Maybe because I am divorced, and had seen so many couples go through various permutations of life scenarios.

After affair got discovered - he wanted to stay and try the right thing. ‘The stalking’ - you refer to, which i assume was looking at your posts on SM - (which i don't personally consider ‘stalking’ - unless he somehow hacked your accounts) - has a very simple explanation of missing you.
He made a decision to stay with a rational mind, but you cant rationalise away the feelings. He missed you. And contacting you was simply driven by that.
It doesn't make him evil.

I get that you were hurt in the aftermath of the affair. And it seems that the main injury to you at the time was that he didn't pick you.
The way you talk about it - ‘he dropped me like a sack of potatoes’

You don’t need to choose to see him or try to have a relationship. But - I think you are fooling yourself by saying that it’s because of his lacking morals, or something to that matter. I think you haven't forgiven him for not prioritising you over his kids/marriage.

He clearly does have feelings for you. Or he wouldn’t find it hard to forget you. You, it appears, also have feelings for him, plus resentment over what went on.

It probably wont work anyway - as you see things in black/white, rather than nuanced as life is in reality.

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 18:07

renoleno · 27/09/2024 17:29

Oh and of course his children aren't 'protected from it' as he tells you. He lacks the emotional depth and awareness to understand how his actions affect his children. Cheaters always think no one knows - children KNOW and can sense when things are not right. He's just a self absorbed man child who isn't spending enough time with his kids, with all the cheating he's doing. You don't even know if he's cheated on her with other women since you, and has hit them all up with the same message, and stalking them all. Like a tiger with his prey.

Yes the lack of insight was shocking and of course it suits him to think they are unscathed. There was a lot of denial and stating how it was all in the past (despite still looking me up and contacting me).

I can’t deny I’ve been struggling today because ultimately I was left with so many unanswered questions and part of me had such strong feelings for him.

but I do want a healthy relationship even if it feels scary and hopefully by doing this it’s a clear sign to the universe or whatever that I am ready. I had waited a long time for him to come back, as I knew it would ultimately end. Instead of being happy I am confused and terrified.

I don’t know if he’s cheated since but if he hasn’t I would suspect it’s more out of fear than renewed feelings for his wife he continued to lie to.

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