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3.5 years later and he’s leaving his wife…

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Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 19:51

A few years ago I had an affair with a MM. I was single, met him at a vulnerable time having escaped an abusive relationship. He supported me financially and helped me rebuild my life, and at the time I selfishly was focused on trying to survive and that’s it really. I lost everything leaving my ex and was starting from scratch. It was supposed to be an arrangement that worked for us both mutually.

We totally fell for each other. It was totally unplanned and unexpected and I was blindsided by it. I guess his wife noticed a change in him, and after nearly a year she found out. Part of me was relieved because I was finding it hard and obviously did not feel good about what I was doing. But it devastated my life. He tossed me aside like I was nothing. Said he had to stay for his kids. I was so badly affected I was hospitalised twice with severe anxiety. I had felt so deeply that he loved me so it was completely horrific. He still contacted me without her knowing from time to time despite trying to ‘reconcile’ with his wife. Mostly to say he was powerless in the situation and she was threatening to take the kids. I wasn’t the only woman he’d cheated with. He’d been doing it for years but had never been found out. He said he was very good at ‘compartmentalising’ until then, apparently.

Anyway. He stopped contacting me but continued stalking me online for over a year. I eventually confronted him. He admitted he loved me. Apologised for doing it and thought I hadn’t realised. Said he regretted marrying her. It was only for the kids. I said I had to block him and he didn’t want me to but understood. I did so but only on SM, not his phone.

So life carried on, I had been rebuilding my life and retrained in a whole new career. Rebuilt my finances after being financially abused by my ex. It’s been hell and the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I’m finally in a good place. New home, new job. Lovely housemates. I objectively know he’s been a shit. But there was not a day that went by I didn’t think of him. The whole thing was totally incongruous to who he was as a person, or thought he was, but yet he still did it. I have never been able to get my head around it.

So anyway. Over three years later and he has gotten in touch, and said they are separating. He wants to meet and I have no idea what to do. On one hand, he nearly destroyed me by doing what he did. I know objectively he is completely flawed as a person. On the other hand I have never felt for anyone the way I felt about him and it felt mutual. Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me.

I’m so torn as to whether to leave it alone or meet up and hear him out. I don’t want to compromise what I’ve built but also don’t want to regret it.

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again. My whole life has changed. I have sacrificed so much and had to face the abuse I suffered not just from my ex but from my childhood. I am not even the same person and usually this would mean he means nothing to me because I’ve evolved beyond it, but part of me still loves him. It’s not limerance or a trauma bond, it’s been years now, but still something I have never been able to shake despite seeing him for who he is and what he’s done.

Would appreciate thoughts. Is he just an inherently bad person? I know what I did was wrong but I did everything I could to better myself and make sure I wasn’t in that situation again. I don’t know if he’s done the same.

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forevernumb · 28/09/2024 10:27

@Jigglytuff26 I cannot believe your last post - you are almost excusing him for what he did to his wife and to you. You sound as if you are ready to step right back in there. What is it they say? It's a mistake if it happens once but it's a bad decision if you do it twice 😳

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 10:34

forevernumb · 28/09/2024 10:27

@Jigglytuff26 I cannot believe your last post - you are almost excusing him for what he did to his wife and to you. You sound as if you are ready to step right back in there. What is it they say? It's a mistake if it happens once but it's a bad decision if you do it twice 😳

I think I actually specifically said it was still abhorrent and there are better ways of leaving a relationship… I’m not excusing it, and I said nothing would mean she deserved that, but I also don’t think being cheated on makes you the paragon of virtue. Life is so much more complicated than MN would like to believe. I fantasised about cheating all the time when I was with my abusive ex. Had I not worried about him killing me I would have been tempted just to feel some affection.

not saying for sure that’s the case here but I’m sharing my observations.

anyway, regardless. I haven’t responded and trying to focus on having faith there is a better person out there. I will never know the truth of their situation but I know he is at the least a weak person and at the worst a narcissistic sociopath.

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theleafandnotthetree · 28/09/2024 10:55

kookoocachoo · 28/09/2024 10:19

  1. they always blame the wife, that way, they are the victim, not the problem
  2. if he spent the time and energy he spent cheating, instead communicating with wife and being present for his family, then would have a better marriage. Working at being a whole person in his family, rather than a pretend family man.
  3. if he spent 6 hours a week with You, that’s 6 hours he is not with his kids & wife. What a dishonest waste …

Wife is always vilified … crazy, bitch, mentally ill, not the same person he married, frigid, etc etc etc

You want answers? You know the answer already. He’s going to tell you exactly what you want to hear …

But some women/wives simply are objectively awful and abusive and not because they have been driven to it by their husbands. And all the time and communication in the world doesn't change that. The OP's ex may well have been such a one. Or she may not, we don't know. But in at least some proportion of cases where men - or women- cheat, their wives or husbands actually are awful. And no, that doesn't mean they deserve to be cheated on. But these situations are invariably far more complex than many on here would allow. I have known cheaters be on many measures, 'better' spouses and parents than their other halves who may not have cheated but are pretty terrible people/partners/parents across many other measures.

DownLifting · 28/09/2024 12:20

3.5 years later

And this is a waste of time.

You are a convinience and a gulible convinience at that.

You may be uplifted for a while but this will end in tears, why chance your mental health again.
This man is a poor bet for stability and love.

But saying that you both seem to have similar values and you sound like you are practically chomping at the bit to get back with him.
He's a player and you are being played.

Cardiganoutsidein · 28/09/2024 13:53

theleafandnotthetree · 28/09/2024 10:55

But some women/wives simply are objectively awful and abusive and not because they have been driven to it by their husbands. And all the time and communication in the world doesn't change that. The OP's ex may well have been such a one. Or she may not, we don't know. But in at least some proportion of cases where men - or women- cheat, their wives or husbands actually are awful. And no, that doesn't mean they deserve to be cheated on. But these situations are invariably far more complex than many on here would allow. I have known cheaters be on many measures, 'better' spouses and parents than their other halves who may not have cheated but are pretty terrible people/partners/parents across many other measures.

You are right of course. It is complex.
And at the most basic level, happy people don’t cheat.

But the difficulty is trying to work out which ones are unhappy because they ( genuinely) have a controlling, abusive partner and which ones are unhappy because they lack something/ are insecure/ selfish/ narcissistic etc etc.

The problem is the shitty ones ALWAYS blame their partner. So you’ll get 80% of cheaters saying their partner was awful when in reality, it’s more like that 25% of them are telling the truth.

And I have to say that I considered an affair when in an abusive relationship. But actively decided against it. Instead I left with no other relationship to jump to. That’s what emotionally healthy people do - it may take time but if their relationship is unfixable they leave of their own accord.

I think people who need somewhere to jump before leaving a relationship are not the most self aware or emotionally intelligent. And it’s a red flag if you plan to have a relationship with someone like that

ChristmasFluff · 28/09/2024 14:43

As someone who was abused, and as I am sure others will confirm from their own experience, people who are abused rarely have affairs. Even true love is not as intense as a trauma bond, and so your abuser takes up your whole life. All you want to do is make them love you.

Whereas abusers? Yeah, they cheat all the time.

A decent man would feel too ashamed to contact you after so long, because it reeks of entitlement and 'I'm so great, you won't have moved on'.

No-one cheats out of unhappiness. They cheat out of selfishness and entitlement. There's always another option rather than betraying, gaslighting and lying to your partner.

But some people can only learn the hard way. You're gonna crack on whatever anyone says, so prepare to become the next 'abusive wife', OP.

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 14:57

ChristmasFluff · 28/09/2024 14:43

As someone who was abused, and as I am sure others will confirm from their own experience, people who are abused rarely have affairs. Even true love is not as intense as a trauma bond, and so your abuser takes up your whole life. All you want to do is make them love you.

Whereas abusers? Yeah, they cheat all the time.

A decent man would feel too ashamed to contact you after so long, because it reeks of entitlement and 'I'm so great, you won't have moved on'.

No-one cheats out of unhappiness. They cheat out of selfishness and entitlement. There's always another option rather than betraying, gaslighting and lying to your partner.

But some people can only learn the hard way. You're gonna crack on whatever anyone says, so prepare to become the next 'abusive wife', OP.

I have to disagree with some of this. I did not want my abusive ex to love me. I just wanted out. And I’m fairly sure I would have cheated had the opportunity arose, not out of entitlement but because I needed to feel some affection and like I was human.

that was my experience. I’m not saying it was his. Everyone’s experience is different.

I’m not going to ‘crack on’. I feel really unsettled by it understandably but I haven’t messaged him.

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MsDogLady · 28/09/2024 15:52

@Jigglytuff26, did you write a thread about your relationship with him and his dropping you when it happened? Do you have a little boy?

Didimum · 28/09/2024 16:02

Have you deleted his number as well as blocked it, OP?

Because if you haven’t you’re still on the same old roundabout.

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 16:05

I don’t have kids. So no not me.

I have deleted his number but I know it off by heart anyway, so not really a deterrent if I needed it. I don’t think I will though. Something in me is just done. I found some recent pictures of him online (haven’t seen him in all this time) and I’m having a bit of a what was I thinking moment, given what he’s done on top, and I just feel sad about the whole thing.

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SnowflakeSmasher86 · 28/09/2024 16:11

Bestyearever2024 · 26/09/2024 19:55

Wait for the decree absolute and financial settlement to be sorted

Then consider him

Trust me, neither will happen

I was going to say the same - he’s hopping straight from ending his marriage to contacting you. He’s a self centred prick who can’t handle being alone. Ignore.

XChrome · 28/09/2024 18:32

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 10:15

No I never met her

This is beyond bizarre. You have repeatedly claimed you witnessed behaviour towards him by his wife, yet you continue to say you never even met her. That is not possible.
Are you on the wind up or do you really not see the contradiction here?

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 18:40

XChrome · 28/09/2024 18:32

This is beyond bizarre. You have repeatedly claimed you witnessed behaviour towards him by his wife, yet you continue to say you never even met her. That is not possible.
Are you on the wind up or do you really not see the contradiction here?

Yes because things can’t happen over phone or text? What??

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DoreenonTill8 · 28/09/2024 18:44

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 18:40

Yes because things can’t happen over phone or text? What??

Of course when carefully orchestrated by one of the party...
You saw/heard what he wanted you to.
Would you have gone there/still be invested if he wasn't wealthy?

Elasticatedtrousers · 28/09/2024 18:45

So while engaged in an affair, stealing his wife’s personal agency and right to informed sexual consent and clearly not being where he should be ie at home with his wife and children (so without a doubt lying and manipulating), his abused wife sends angry messages and SHE IS the abuser!

RIGHT…

I’m calling BS on the abusive wife!

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 18:53

DoreenonTill8 · 28/09/2024 18:44

Of course when carefully orchestrated by one of the party...
You saw/heard what he wanted you to.
Would you have gone there/still be invested if he wasn't wealthy?

I hardly think he could control when she called him. He was embarrassed by it if anything. But look, you really want to persist with the notion I am a money grabbing demon incapable of any empathy and zero insight into a situation I was the one actually privy to.

think what you want. I’m not sure why you’re so invested in attacking me. That’s your issue.

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XChrome · 28/09/2024 18:58

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 18:40

Yes because things can’t happen over phone or text? What??

Words can happen, not deeds. So it was not the "horrific" deeds that you alluded to. I was picturing her hitting him based on what you said.
What were you doing looking at his texts and listening in on his phone calls with his wife? That's creepy.

XChrome · 28/09/2024 19:00

Elasticatedtrousers · 28/09/2024 18:45

So while engaged in an affair, stealing his wife’s personal agency and right to informed sexual consent and clearly not being where he should be ie at home with his wife and children (so without a doubt lying and manipulating), his abused wife sends angry messages and SHE IS the abuser!

RIGHT…

I’m calling BS on the abusive wife!

Agree. The level of self-delusion here is strong.

Elasticatedtrousers · 28/09/2024 19:02

‘I hardly think he could control when she called him. He was embarrassed by it if anything.’

Sorry, he was embarrassed that his WIFE was calling and obviously angry while he was with his other woman after gaslighting, manipulating and lying to her and this is a sign of an abusive wife.

You’re verging on the absurd now.

Elasticatedtrousers · 28/09/2024 19:03

@XChrome she hasn’t made any changes at a deep level. It’s hilarious that anyone here thinks she has with this level of cognitive dissonance!

Honestly they should be together. It’s clear.

XChrome · 28/09/2024 19:24

OP said;

his wife has done some pretty terrible things to him.

It turns out it was just angry texts when he was with his mistress instead of home with his family, private communications OP had no moral right to see.

OP said;

the behaviour I saw from his wife and the story of their relationship fitted the stereotypical pattern of her being the abuser far more than him.

Again, angry texts verses him violating his wife's sexual consent, lying to her for years and potentially exposing her to STDS, not to mention showing his wife's private texts to his string of OW. OP also has no way if knowing how her lover behaved when he was with his wife. He could have been beating her for all she knows.

"The story of their relationship" = the standard sad sausage bullshit cheaters tell their mistresses about their marriages.

CheekyHobson · 28/09/2024 19:29

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 18:40

Yes because things can’t happen over phone or text? What??

Being realistic, what are the chances that if his wife came across as angry, controlling, resentful or contemptuous towards him, it’s because she was lashing out because she knew something was up yet was being long-term gaslit about where her husband was and what he was doing?

Giving some clarity around what the wife was actually doing or saying may help people here understand you better, as you do seem piqued by being what you consider to be misunderstood.

XChrome · 28/09/2024 19:30

Elasticatedtrousers · 28/09/2024 19:03

@XChrome she hasn’t made any changes at a deep level. It’s hilarious that anyone here thinks she has with this level of cognitive dissonance!

Honestly they should be together. It’s clear.

Edited

Totally.
It's crazy how many people fall for these "I'm a changed person" declarations even when the behaviour signifies anything but. All you have to do is say it, apparently. It seems most people will overlook the inconsistencies. I guess it's because people love a redemption story.

XChrome · 28/09/2024 19:33

Elasticatedtrousers · 28/09/2024 19:02

‘I hardly think he could control when she called him. He was embarrassed by it if anything.’

Sorry, he was embarrassed that his WIFE was calling and obviously angry while he was with his other woman after gaslighting, manipulating and lying to her and this is a sign of an abusive wife.

You’re verging on the absurd now.

Edited

Not too embarrassed to show his mistress the texts, obviously. What a farce this thread is. 😄

Jigglytuff26 · 28/09/2024 19:39

XChrome · 28/09/2024 19:33

Not too embarrassed to show his mistress the texts, obviously. What a farce this thread is. 😄

Slow Saturday evening is it?

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