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Do they ever come back? Devastated. Following on. Endless winter.

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Pleasenotme · 21/09/2024 16:53

Do they ever come back? Devastated.
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Pleasenotme · 17/09/2024 16:25
Long time lurker, occasional poster, nc'd for this. DH has told me he wants a divorce. I can barely write this as I am so devastated and struggling to keep things together. Been together 35 years, DC. I thought we had everything. Says he hasn't been happy for a while, wants to sell our house, have a new start. I know men rarely leave without having someone in the wings. He was adamant that there was no one, but youngest DD saw him meeting up with a woman not far from the house. It was pure fluke she saw them as her nursing shifts mean she is not normally around at that time and I was in Scotland visiting my DM. DD told me about this only after DH had told her that he is divorcing me as she had been worried about it but didn't want to say anything in case it was innocent. He denies an OW. Of course. I know this woman on a casual basis and have socialised with her as part of a larger group. She is married with two young DC. My DD babysits for her occasionally.
I feel like an explosion has gone off in our lives. I can't believe this is happening. He is like an ice man with me, a stranger. He has said the most cruel things. Our marriage has had the inevitable turmoils and ups and downs but he is my soul mate. I thought we would be together forever. I can't stop crying, I can't work - thankfully my boss has been very kind - I had to ring Samaritans last night as I was so very bleak and was having panic attacks and I didn't want to be here, I just wanted it all to go away. I know that sounds foolish and selfish. He has moved out and is staying with his sister locally. We are not close so there is no point talking to her about it.
I love him so much. I can't imagine life without him, I just can't. Is there anyone on here who has had experience of their DH doing this to them AND coming back? I am grimly aware of the number of men who dump their DWs during the mid years of their lives. I suspect I am clutching at straws but this is like an earthquake. I am totally desperate for this not to be happening. Thank you for reading.

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BettyBardMacDonald · 23/11/2024 11:23

Buildingthefuture · 23/11/2024 11:19

@BettyBardMacDonald could not disagree more. OW was more than happy to “meddle” in ops marriage. There are consequences to behaving like a shit bag and it is frankly about time that this woman felt some.

Well, breaking up OW's marriage will guarantee that OW will be permanently available to OP's husband. As opposed to maybe they break off the affair & return to their spouses.

TheShellBeach · 23/11/2024 11:23

BettyBardMacDonald · 23/11/2024 11:20

What is that going to accomplish other than fuck things up for innocent kids, and make OP's husband more desperate for money as girlfriend will need support?

Play the long game and maintain dignity. Don't lash out. It only makes one look like a fool.

It's too late for that anyway, because the OP has already texted the OW and told her that she knows what's going on.

TheShellBeach · 23/11/2024 11:24

BettyBardMacDonald · 23/11/2024 11:23

Well, breaking up OW's marriage will guarantee that OW will be permanently available to OP's husband. As opposed to maybe they break off the affair & return to their spouses.

OMG please don't suggest that!
Nobody would want that as a solution.

Thewookiemustgo · 23/11/2024 11:27

@Pleasenotme I know that feeling of wanting to know, not wanting to know, being torn up with the not knowing, so the only way to stop the tearing and pain of not knowing is to know, so you snoop and do stuff you never thought you’d do, and that hurts too.
And then you really know. And it’s a body blow like you never thought it would be.
It was one thing to ‘know’ (because he’s having an affair, so he logically he must be taking her out) as a conclusion in your head, where you can kind of deal with it as a concept, but to see it on paper, amounts, dates, times, places… it is horrific and traumatising.
I demanded access to everything he’d (unbeknownst to me) changed passwords to, presumably to buy him some time if I needed to look at a statement for any reason when he was in the affair. My God. Opening each one made me shake and one of them actually made me physically sick.
Do not , whatever you do, let this spiral. You know he’s having an affair and conceptually you know what that must entail. Don’t go looking for proof of something that you already know must be happening, it doesn’t help. I turned over everything like a detective and at every turn I found another layer of pain. Burn the bloody statement. Don’t revisit it, I checked what I was doing at the times and dates he was with her and that’s a dark, dark place to go. I thought I wanted to know but it branded itself onto my brain and led to more questions, a huge desire to do more snooping. It’s a spiral down to a special kind of hell reserved for betrayed women. Do NOT do this, it does no good. It changes nothing.
Be very kind to yourself, new information drags you back to day 1, it’s bound to, you’ve got to process it and grieve it all over again.
I don’t blame you at all for wanting to contact her husband, I’d absolutely do it. But that’s a decision only you can make and you know your situation better than anybody here.
As far as Christmas is concerned, this man deserves nothing of his family. Nothing. He has and still is swinging a wrecking ball through all of you. However, your children might feel differently and that’s to be expected, it’s a different relationship. I would have a meeting with them and be totally honest about your feelings too. What you decide is up to you, but stay away from excess alcohol whatever you decide, you will be feeling low with or without him, because it’s obviously a very different and difficult Christmas this year and things once said, even though people know you’ve had a bit to drink, cannot be unheard. You need to be in full control of your dignity at all times.
If he comes over at Christmas at all (this is you and your family’s choice, nobody else’s) you dictate when he arrives and leaves and everyone has a right to veto. If one of your children wishes to see him and one does not, it might be better if they arranged to see him elsewhere later in the evening, nobody should have to endure his company for the sake of anybody else and I will repeat again, he deserves nothing. He took himself out of the family and can’t enter and exit whenever he wishes, he forfeited that right.
The pressure will be on OW to
tell her husband she’s leaving him after Christmas, no doubt at present she’s using that as an excuse to him to stay put. I predict a post-Christmas shitshow for your husband one way or another.
Priotise yourself, I know why you still love him and whilst unfathomable to some, I get it, you can’t just switch off a lifetime of feelings. If only we could. Feel free to message me if you want to, no judgement whatsoever, whatever you decide. I really, really feel for you and am so sorry this is happening to you.

Buildingthefuture · 23/11/2024 11:33

BettyBardMacDonald · 23/11/2024 11:23

Well, breaking up OW's marriage will guarantee that OW will be permanently available to OP's husband. As opposed to maybe they break off the affair & return to their spouses.

I do not think that the fact that OW is unavailable is a valid reason for returning to a marriage. Op is no one’s second best!

TheShellBeach · 23/11/2024 11:36

@Pleasenotme I am so sorry that you're feeling so bad again, after looking at his bank statement.

What's done is done. Don't berate yourself. At least you have some ammunition, so that when the financial side of the divorce is being worked out, you'll have an idea about when he's lying.

And he will lie.

He'll do anything to keep the OW on side. He's undoubtedly promised her a new home, where she can bring her two DC. That's why he's trying to bully you into getting the house sold.

Remember. He isn't your friend anymore. He will shaft you, and he will shaft your beloved children. My own ex-husband even wrote one of our children out of his will.

Your ex is not your friend. Try to remember that.

And do tell the OW's husband. He's the only member of this foursome not to know now, and that's not fair to him.

TheShellBeach · 23/11/2024 11:38

I do not think that the fact that OW is unavailable is a valid reason for returning to a marriage.
OP is no-one’s second best!

At the moment, she would have him back. Even knowing what he's done.

Secondstart1001 · 23/11/2024 11:43

I am with @TheShellBeach on everything just said this morning.
No judgement on opening the statement, I would do it. But I am sorry it’s hurt you even more 💐

BettyBardMacDonald · 23/11/2024 11:52

TheShellBeach · 23/11/2024 11:38

I do not think that the fact that OW is unavailable is a valid reason for returning to a marriage.
OP is no-one’s second best!

At the moment, she would have him back. Even knowing what he's done.

Exactly.

I'd wash my hands of him without a backwards glance. And I'd never, ever have given a man that much power over me in the first place.

But if OP wants a chance, blowing up the affair partner's marriage and making herself look like a nutter on a vengeful rampage aren't the greatest strategic moves.

TheShellBeach · 23/11/2024 11:56

BettyBardMacDonald · 23/11/2024 11:52

Exactly.

I'd wash my hands of him without a backwards glance. And I'd never, ever have given a man that much power over me in the first place.

But if OP wants a chance, blowing up the affair partner's marriage and making herself look like a nutter on a vengeful rampage aren't the greatest strategic moves.

Nobody on this thread thinks it would be a good idea for the OP to take him back, though. Apart from you, I think.

He'd only cheat again, and she'd never be able to trust him. The OP must find some self-respect, push on with the divorce, and get the best financial settlement she can.

getsomehelp · 23/11/2024 11:57

Please, Please do not invite him for Christmas. It will be a major set back for both you & your DCs. The older one is still hanging on for a reprieve,like you & for Daddy to come home. It's not going to happen.
As I said a long time I would inform the OWH. OW hasn't necessarily decided to ditch her family, if she had they would already be shacked up together. She might decide to not jump ship. Which is just what your H deserves.

BettyBardMacDonald · 23/11/2024 12:05

@TheShellBeach

I wouldn't take him back for all the money in the world. It would be a cold day in hell before I would grovel to any man.

It's up to the OP what she does.

Trobealone · 23/11/2024 12:32

@Pleasenotme

I think utter, utter silence and the very bare minimum in terms of communication is your best defence.
Don’t message her.
Don’t invite him.
They both don’t deserve to see your hurt, thoughts and emotions.
Just write here instead and let it out.
Be as stoic as possible and keep all your cards very close to your chest.

Sunnings · 23/11/2024 12:36

I would make a note of all those dates and places and send them to her husband.
He will know she was out on a lie.
Give him the information.

Don't let your husband know you have the bank statement.

TheShellBeach · 23/11/2024 12:47

Sunnings · 23/11/2024 12:36

I would make a note of all those dates and places and send them to her husband.
He will know she was out on a lie.
Give him the information.

Don't let your husband know you have the bank statement.

Agreed.

InSearchOfMartin · 23/11/2024 13:08

TheShellBeach · 23/11/2024 11:38

I do not think that the fact that OW is unavailable is a valid reason for returning to a marriage.
OP is no-one’s second best!

At the moment, she would have him back. Even knowing what he's done.

I'd rather set him on fire than have him back

Floflo2 · 23/11/2024 13:19

Omg message the poor bloke off a fake account if needed. What a bitch she is. Your husband is a massive wanker and you are going to thrive again one day. I'm single! Ex was an addict who cheated on me! I have 2 beautiful children. I have a job..lovely friends. A home full of cosy feminine stuff. A gorgeous parrot as my new friend. I read my books. I watch my programs. I cook. I cried alot like you. I still feel anger towards him. Bit mainly I just see a pathetic man.

You are never alone In this world. You will go through this grief. Maybe for a year. But one day you'll find your peace.

He's just a man honey. A silly weak man who treats another man's wife to lunch. He's lost his beautiful wife and kids to his winky going out to play. Don't feel upset about that either. Yuck!!! Probably sharing it with her husband 🤢 please please hold onto us and all your friends and see it for what it is. It will go shit for him. Don't have him over for Christmas either. He didn't want his family he wanted his side salad. So let him go eat with her and her Husband.

Sending you so much encouragement to stand up tall again. Get your music on. Buy some new clothes. Smile and remember he's a speck in the universe. There's millions of lovely kind men out there who would never behave like him x

LetThereBeLove · 23/11/2024 13:20

BettyBardMacDonald · 23/11/2024 11:23

Well, breaking up OW's marriage will guarantee that OW will be permanently available to OP's husband. As opposed to maybe they break off the affair & return to their spouses.

And OP should under no circumstances take him back. Trust is everything in a marriage and theirs is all gone.

Dandelionsarefree · 23/11/2024 13:20

Sunnings · 23/11/2024 12:36

I would make a note of all those dates and places and send them to her husband.
He will know she was out on a lie.
Give him the information.

Don't let your husband know you have the bank statement.

Exactly this.
The OW's husband needs to know.
I can only imagine how much this hurts OP, please hang on in there.
Your children are all with you.
We are all with you.
You have a beautiful future waiting for you without him.
You can't see it at the moment but it is there.
I promise its there.

AmberAlert86 · 23/11/2024 13:22

I would tell her H... but not at their home. Do you know where he works?

Floflo2 · 23/11/2024 13:39

I cannot state enough that he's planting the seeds for his own karma and you will see it one day. They both are. Another family is yet to know. I am a big believer that you grow what you put out there. Leave them both in the dust. I had to sell my house too. Love my little rented bungalow. It's the year I grew ❤️

Washingupdone · 23/11/2024 13:41

Of course you opened it, who looks at every envelope to see if it is their name. Your mind is still in a fog trying to get through every day plus coping with work after your serious illness. Don’t let anyone say anything different, that’s your excuse and you are sticking to it. However, maybe it’s good that you saw the statement in black and white which has made things real for you and of course it has sent your mind, unfortunately, spinning back to ‘the day’. It’s like PTSD, a smell, a noise or a situation will take you back.
Don’t tell anyone except your solicitor, that you have this information, especially your DC as it may be held against you and definitely not him or OW. The post office lose letters daily some turning up thirty years later.
Can you glean more information from the statement e.g. savings on the side, extra pensions/insurance etc. Is there a regular restaurant/ hotel room on a certain day of the week.

Give your lovely cat lots of snuggles, take the rest of the day gently, phone your friend and don’t forget to eat/ take your medicine. Take care xx

Einkleinerwaschbar · 23/11/2024 13:50

Whether anyone here agrees with her position or not, OP does not want to push for a divorce. It is not OP's responsibility to tell the OW husband. It is hers and hers alone. People always blame the messenger, and having this woman's husband blowing up at her will not help her. Apart from anything else, no one here can know if she has already told him and whether they might have mutually decided to stay together until after Christmas, or to divorce before separating etc.

@Pleasenotme , read what @Thewookiemustgo really carefully. Her position is well measured and worded so much better than I can manage.

Quietly tuck the bank statement away or shred it. Try to avoid pain shopping (looking for things that you know will hurt). It is easier said than done and sometimes things like this catch you unawares.

Doggielove · 23/11/2024 13:54

I don’t think we know if the OWH knows already. Maybe he’s known all along. We have no idea of their set up. Even your H only has what she tells him, we cannot know. My view is It’s not for OP to get involved in that unless she wants to.

completely agree no way for xmas, it will just create an inordinate amount of emotional pain and set you back. Tell your daughter, maybe this can be a possibility in a few years when this period is past.

If you react OP and act out your anger, they will be pushed together against you and will use that state of affairs to always justify their actions and repeat to themselves and others “ oh well she behaved like a mad women and harassed us when all we wanted to do was be together…ergo”.…If you instead remain dignified and leave them to sort their affairs they can never sooth their conscience with the above, and therefore won’t get to avoid the internal
conflict which will come down the line in living with what they have created. That will come, currently they are in fantasy world.

I totally understand all your reasonings and wanting to act on your pain and anger. You must be leaching hurt and pain. I’m not sure it would soothe it, bar in the Moment. Keep up with flipping the bird when you see her!

my friend always says to me In hard times “the only way is through”, and it’s so true, can’t go round or over or under, can’t avoid the pain but it will get better

sending you lots of love and hope. It’s really early days, don’t expect too much of yourself 🥰🥰

we are all following you, and wishing you well, because we all go through pain and if you survive this (which you will) it gives us all hope and inspiration that we can survive things. It endorses our resolve 🥰 and strength

women are amazing!! You are amazing OP!!

Respectisnotoptional · 23/11/2024 14:00

@Thewookiemustgo brilliant post, you obviously totally understand the situation, very important when offering advice.

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