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Do they ever come back? Devastated.

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Pleasenotme · 17/09/2024 16:25

Long time lurker, occasional poster, nc'd for this. DH has told me he wants a divorce. I can barely write this as I am so devastated and struggling to keep things together. Been together 35 years, DC. I thought we had everything. Says he hasn't been happy for a while, wants to sell our house, have a new start. I know men rarely leave without having someone in the wings. He was adamant that there was no one, but youngest DD saw him meeting up with a woman not far from the house. It was pure fluke she saw them as her nursing shifts mean she is not normally around at that time and I was in Scotland visiting my DM. DD told me about this only after DH had told her that he is divorcing me as she had been worried about it but didn't want to say anything in case it was innocent. He denies an OW. Of course. I know this woman on a casual basis and have socialised with her as part of a larger group. She is married with two young DC. My DD babysits for her occasionally.

I feel like an explosion has gone off in our lives. I can't believe this is happening. He is like an ice man with me, a stranger. He has said the most cruel things. Our marriage has had the inevitable turmoils and ups and downs but he is my soul mate. I thought we would be together forever. I can't stop crying, I can't work - thankfully my boss has been very kind - I had to ring Samaritans last night as I was so very bleak and was having panic attacks and I didn't want to be here, I just wanted it all to go away. I know that sounds foolish and selfish. He has moved out and is staying with his sister locally. We are not close so there is no point talking to her about it.

I love him so much. I can't imagine life without him, I just can't. Is there anyone on here who has had experience of their DH doing this to them AND coming back? I am grimly aware of the number of men who dump their DWs during the mid years of their lives. I suspect I am clutching at straws but this is like an earthquake. I am totally desperate for this not to be happening. Thank you for reading.

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Washingupdone · 18/09/2024 18:51

Please be careful of the people who tell stories of a happy end, in other words wait, don’t tell other family’s H, check to see if they have been on mumsnet before.

Maximusdecimus · 18/09/2024 19:00

Also I will say this. Time does heal. It is a huge cliche. You are clearly a brilliant woman with an excellent career, please do not resign, take the time you need off work, but also work can be a huge distraction and may help if you are able.

I know I would have taken my ex back for years, but now I look back and I think fuck me he did me a favour. For a start he never put the lights on. We used to exist in the fucking dark!! Every time I take the kids to his, I say I hope you have your torches packed.

You have an opportunity to now do all the things he maybe said no too! Go on an amazing holiday, buy the fucking shoes, eat the bloody cake, drink the wine. Fuck it, he has gone - get your house in order and please live forward not back.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 18/09/2024 19:01

Hi OP. I'm so sorry and really feel for you but can see strength in your posts that maybe you can't see yet. But you will. Re sertraline, I take the lowest dose of 50 mg for anxiety (not depression) and intrusive thoughts and they have been fantastic. I was advised to take 25mg to begin with and after a few days, 50mg. I took them at night so I didn't feel the side effects which were a headache and nausea. I felt like I had been at sea and just got off the boat for about 10 days. I resisted them for a long time as I was worried about being on them but it was the right decision for me. Whatever you decide, I wish you all strength and inner peace.

Calliopespa · 18/09/2024 19:05

Wherearemymarbles · 18/09/2024 18:49

Look at it like this, when she is mid 50’s and still full of many of the joys of spring he will be a grumpy 70 something with a shrivelled cock and enlarged prostate slouched on the sofa watching golf.

You’re probably very lucky, you just can’t quite see it yet.

That’s right op! You had his youth and got your wonderful children; she gets to empty the bed pans and in the interim they endure the feral kids - who no longer even have a babysitter! 😱😱😱

WhatsitWiggle · 18/09/2024 19:06

@Pleasenotme you asked about sertraline. My teen daughter has this for severe anxiety, started on 25mgs for a week, then 50mgs. She's now on 100mg and it's working well for her. She did have initial side effects, but only for 2-3 weeks.
She was in a bad way before, had suicidal ideation, eating disorder, regular panic attacks. Now she is a lot calmer and ready to start CBT therapy; it would have been pointless earlier. Sertraline is the go-to AD these days as it seems to be tolerated a lot better than older medications.

Did your GP signpost you to NHS talking therapies? You can find the link on www.nhs.uk and it may be something to consider.

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orangeredclouds · 18/09/2024 19:13

BirthdayRainbow · 18/09/2024 18:42

@orangeredclouds I was so sad to read your post. I really hope one day you can find the strength to leave as you are living a lie and half a life. Him criticising the woman he had a thing with to you is not a good thing.

Thankyou

ArabellaScott · 18/09/2024 19:18

blackcherryconserve · 18/09/2024 17:33

I disagree. The pain is so high that, although the betrayal is a process we need to go through, it is also very much grief driven. I found ADs helped in that respect and the OP should use whatever she can to get through the next stages. Drink is not the answer but if her GP has suggested Sertraline and, importantly, she is feeling suicidal and unable to cope with everyday tasks, then a course of ADs may well help her cope better.

Probably depends on the individual and the situation. I'm sure they help many people; may not always be the right choice.

ArabellaScott · 18/09/2024 19:21

orangeredclouds Flowers

I hope ou find a way back to yourself.

Bethany83 · 18/09/2024 19:26

Sending love and strength O.P.

I have had positive experiences only on sertraline. No side effects whatsoever and I do know quite a few females on it who also have never had any side effects.

LasagnaWithChips · 18/09/2024 19:36

Apologies if someone has already suggested these, but I recommend an old but brilliant MN thread called “Midlife Crisis: This is the Script” because then you will know exactly how this plays out. Also, it’s very funny. For moral support, try chumplady.com, a website for survivors of cheating partners. It’s quite cynical but also insightful. You might also find Runaway Husbands by Vikki Stark helpful. After more than a year, I’m still stuck in my own version of this play, unsure whether I want a divorce or not. But at least now I feel relatively confident that the outcome will be fine either way and I know I have the strength to walk away if that’s what I want. Wishing you all the best.

orangeredclouds · 18/09/2024 19:41

ArabellaScott · 18/09/2024 19:21

orangeredclouds Flowers

I hope ou find a way back to yourself.

Thankyou

GreyCloudsAbove · 18/09/2024 19:49

I'm sorry you are going through this... it is very hard. Mine has been much shorter relationship but since he left for OW and drugs drama is endless. Wish I have cut off immediately, it would have saved me a lot of stress.

Here is amazing post that helped me through out this mess. Read it and at the end you will see there is a follow on thread. It has been a godsend reading through that, it may help you too. There is also a post on the script.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/divorce_separation/4837197-a-new-thread-for-those-struggling-with-separation?page=40&reply=131988731

Page 40 | A new thread for those struggling with separation | Mumsnet

I wanted to start a new thread for those of us who are struggling to come to terms with separation/divorce, and to separate this from my personal thre...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/divorce_separation/4837197-a-new-thread-for-those-struggling-with-separation?page=40&reply=131988731

Anonymously890 · 18/09/2024 19:52

I need some advice. Im currently in middle of divorce. He is a alcoholic in denial with severe mh problems. He hasnt worked since i left and is now receiving pip. Ignoring all solicitors letters, refusing to leave family home despite me moving to a rental. No money towards kids.
Has anyone been in a similar position that has been to court? What was outcome? Any help much appreciated. All i seem to be doing is getting myself deeper into debt.

TheShellBeach · 18/09/2024 20:02

Anonymously890 · 18/09/2024 19:52

I need some advice. Im currently in middle of divorce. He is a alcoholic in denial with severe mh problems. He hasnt worked since i left and is now receiving pip. Ignoring all solicitors letters, refusing to leave family home despite me moving to a rental. No money towards kids.
Has anyone been in a similar position that has been to court? What was outcome? Any help much appreciated. All i seem to be doing is getting myself deeper into debt.

You need to start your own thread.
That sounds like a very difficult situation for you.

You'll get plenty of support and advice, but you need your own thread.

Do you know how to start one?

Bayern · 18/09/2024 20:03

Washingupdone · 18/09/2024 18:51

Please be careful of the people who tell stories of a happy end, in other words wait, don’t tell other family’s H, check to see if they have been on mumsnet before.

Agree.
Until OP is ready to decide she is done, rather than feeling pushed that way by MN, it is best kept close to her chest. If she still thinks she wants to work things out, whether anyone here agrees with that decision or not, telling others about it is not helpful. If you badmouth him all over the place, however tempting it is, those people will never be there for you if he does want to start again and OP still wants that.

Frenchcountryhomes · 18/09/2024 20:09

Mallani · 18/09/2024 17:41

It's hard OP but one of the best things you can do at this point is to show him the consequences of his actions and make things very real. Tell friends and family what he's done, bag up his stuff and tell him he needs to get his crap out of the house asap, and also tell him he needs to sort out a divorce - you are simply too busy and as it's him who wants one, then that's his responsibility.

Even if your heart is screaming no to all the above, just pretend it's what you want. At the moment, he's thinking he can force the OW's hand (no doubt) into leaving her husband - 'look, I'm free and single, come and join me' - and if that doesn't work out, he can skip home to you. Bugger that - he needs to think you won't be waiting for him, have moved on & will be fine without him.

When my DH did this (yes, another one!), he said that suddenly realising he'd burned his bridges with me and that I was no longer an option was what made him come to his senses and realise he'd been a massive fool. We had a complete re-set of our marriage (he'd been very selfish and entitled) and it's 10 x better than it was.

Completely agree with this.

Channellingsophistication · 18/09/2024 20:12

I’m truly sorry you are going through this. You sound a lovely person who does not deserve this.

My ex-H dumped me for OW. One evening as we discussed continuing trying for a baby, he casually said he couldn’t commit to that because he’d met someone else. I was mid 30s and we’d been married 14 years. He was very cold. Hadnt been happy for years which was news to me. It was like a bad sci-fi film, someone else had taken over his body that I didnt know, it looked like him but it didn’t sound like him anymore. I grieved for that person. We were due to move out of our rented flat to a friends house. I moved out as agreed. I didn’t want to let my friend down. He moved OW into the old flat 6 weeks later.

I remember one day feeling desperately low and driving back from GP surgery with some anti depressants and I saw him and OW walking down the road hand in hand, it was a really low point.

What you are going through is a grief. Just focus on each day as it comes and putting one foot in front of the other. I found I just concentrated on getting through each day, sometimes it would be a bad day sometimes ok and then one day I realised I had more good days than bad.

Lean on your friends for support. Definitely don’t give up your job. I found it so stabilising having my job as it was the one thing in my life that hadn’t changed. It gave me security.

Ex-h and OW didn’t last needless to say. I met someone else and had a baby and whilst our relationship hasn’t always been easy, my life is so much better now. I look back and think I’m glad Ex-h ended the marriage.

I survived it and you will too. Do things that make you feel good. Take care of and be kind to yourself.

Perhaps get some counselling I found that really helpful. I also read lots of books Paul McKenna how to amend a broken heart was good and more recently Rosie Green has written about her marriage break up experiences.

Continue to post on here for support.

mathanxiety · 18/09/2024 20:13

What a bastard he is.

And to refuse to tell you the truth - you don't want this "man" back.

Would you be able to tell a friend and have her go to a solicitor with you? You need to separate head and heart here and find out your rights. There are probably pensions or maybe investments that need to be considered.

If the house is paid for, it isn't a marital debt, and one of you might be able to buy the other out.

Scentedjasmin · 18/09/2024 20:14

Pleasenotme · 18/09/2024 12:06

Thank you with all my heart for the amazing messages, so many of you have put so much care and effort, and kindness, into your words, and I am beyond grateful. I so wish that those who have written from experience had never had to endure such things though. I'm still an absolute wreck, virtually no sleep and I couldn't eat any of the takeaway my brother brought here last night. I admit I did have a couple of glasses of wine though; I'm not usually a drinker but I just needed them. I know how easy it is to slip into too much too regularly in these circumstances so I will be careful. I was terrible company for my brother, just soaking through tissue after tissue, sobbing and going over and over about the same things. He was very stoic.

My boss has just called again and offered me WFH for the next few weeks if I don't feel up to going into our main office and facing people. She also emphasised that I must take sick leave if my GP thinks it would be helpful; I have my telephone consultation this afternoon. To the PP who said I was in flight or fight mode, that's absolutely correct; I simply want to run away from everything because if I do, the pain might stop. I actually went as far as typing out my email of resignation last night then mentally shook myself and deleted it. I need the money and I've worked bloody hard over the years to get where I am and a PP who wrote that I shouldn't do anything drastic when grief-stricken was right. But my job seems so pointless, everything seems so grey and flat and barren. It's like a light has gone out in my life and I'm just stuck in miserable twilight.

Someone commented about 'if this is real, and I doubt it is' - I can't find the PP who wrote that now, but I assure you that there is a woman in agony here typing this out as I felt yesterday that I had nowhere to turn and I was literally desperate, and still am. I am going to tell the Dr I feel suicidal, because I do. I know that's not a rational, or sensible, or mature reaction but it is what I am feeling and it's like a tidal wave of misery washing over me. So sadly, this is all too real and god knows I wish it weren't. I would do anything to wake from this and find it was just the worst kind of nightmare, nothing more.

@Sparklywhiteteeth in respect of the OW and what I know, yes my youngest DD saw them but sadly other stuff has now come out which means there is no doubt about her and my DH's relationship. My eldest DS confronted him and there was a semi-omission which he then hastily retracted. I think he was so shocked at DS's stance, as they are normally best friends and DS is a gentle, non-confrontational soul, that he let his guard slip.There are also several other things but they are identifying so I won't elaborate. I do suspect the OW is reading this though as I know she is a MN fan. I wish you karma if you are, OW.

To those commenting about him verging on being elderly, he's late 50's but doesn't look it due to his fitness and is often mistaken for being far younger. Until he became this stranger he has always been a warm and loving H who I still felt - feel - very passionately about. My heart always lifted when I heard his key in the door and all I want now is to hear it again. I miss him beyond words.He has said such terrible things to me but I'm struggling to accept he is in his right mind because it is literally like an episode from Dr Who where an alien invades someone else's body. I'm a very rational person, not given to hysteria normally, so I feel as if I'm in the middle of the most god-awful soap opera, a parallel universe. I looked into his eyes, not that he wanted to hold my gaze, and he wasn't there anymore and his eyes were so, so flinty and cold. Having looked at Vikki Stark's website, I see that he is in the 'discard' phase. Bloody hell, it's monstrous.

Financially we earn the same and both have good pensions so I will be OK but I can't afford to buy him out and the thought of losing our family home is almost too much to bear. I know it's only bricks and mortar but it has always been central to our large and I thought, happy, family life. I've spoken informally again to my lawyer contact and I am reasonably confident I know where I stand. I won't be pushed into anything by him even though he has suggested we 'agree things' between us without legal involvement. No bloody way.

My eldest DD has just called to see how I am. She asked me if I had heard from 'the prick'. I told her off for swearing but it gave me a smile. She loves him though and doesn't deserve any of this. Funnily enough she met the OW at a local do earlier this year and said afterwards, completely unprompted, that she didn't like her, instinctively didn't trust her and couldn't understand why my youngest DD helped her out by babysitting. She has just reminded me of that as I had forgotten. As I said in a previous post, I've been a fool and a blind one at that.

Hi, OP,
I think that it was me who said, "even if this were true, although I doubt it". I was responding to your assertion that he had aged well and that you hadn't and had quoted the sentence that you wrote. I was trying to say that I didn't necessarily believe your view, not the thread or situation. So if it was me, then I sincerely apologise for any confusion and unintended hurt caused. I should have been clearer. I know how awful it is when you post from your heart and someone accuses you of making it up, having been on the receiving end before.

mathanxiety · 18/09/2024 20:20

@Pleasenotme

You're not a fool.

You're the victim of a liar. He's the fool here.

I suspect you're a lot braver than you feel you are right now.

mylkshake · 18/09/2024 20:35

Taishan · 18/09/2024 05:31

His mind was made up.
Any discussion would have probably ended in a shouting and screaming match, making things worse.

Why would the OW get sick of him quick?

If he loves her, he wont cheat, he had stopped loving the outgoing wife.

Whether you are a man

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/sahp/5168073-stay-at-home-dads-few-and-far-between

or a woman

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/infertility/4841511-second-round-of-ivf-looking-good

you have an unusual perspective.

Stay at home dads, few and far between? | Mumsnet

There doesn't seem to be that many "Stay at home dads" on MN Am I alone on this topic?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/sahp/5168073-stay-at-home-dads-few-and-far-between

Secondstart1001 · 18/09/2024 20:35

@Pleasenotme you have been given some great advice on here.
One thing I would say is that keeping busy does help you get through the days. For me, I always empty cupboards, have a good clear out or do a big job in the house or my gardening. It really helps me keep my mind off things if I can focus on something. I know I might sound like a house wife of the 1940s but I’m in a similar profession to yourself. It doesn’t have to be a task in the house, it could be a hobby you have like reading, walking ..: Just anything! It will help you function. Take care of yourself and I am very sorry this has happened to you.

EdithBond · 18/09/2024 20:58

OP, sending you a hug. You sound incredible: smart, strong, articulate, empathetic, humane, emotionally mature.

As someone with experience of relationship breakdown, I urge you to take some sick leave from work because you are understandably and inevitably mentally unwell. You’ve had a terrible shock and your whole world has fallen in. It’s like a sudden bereavement. A once in a lifetime (unless v unlucky) event. Your employer is clearly suggesting you take some time. You don’t sound in a fit state to work and it could lead to mistakes or you becoming more unwell from the pressure. When you return, take a reasonable adjustment as your employer’s suggested: WFH part-time.

For now, you need to rest. Stay in bed, cry all day if you need to, drink plenty of water, eat healthy snacks like nuts, dried fruit etc when you can. Listen to the radio if you can’t sleep. Try to make yourself go for a walk every day, with someone to keep you company.

As PPs have appeared to have said (I’ve only read your posts), you’ve had his best years. No one can take that away. You’ve done nothing wrong, OK? If he had the problems with you or your relationship he now claims to have had, he should have had the maturity to talk to you about it.

You must remain dignified and aloof. Watch a few Ingrid Bergman films and channel her. Don’t think about your DH, stalk him online or try to contact him. Don’t think about the OW. And don’t even consider telling her DH. You are above all of that. Dignified Ingrid. And don’t talk to your kids when feeling v emotional. You still have to stay strong for them. Talk to friends you can really trust. Preferably old friends who predate DH. Book some therapy. Or talk to us. Though don’t be too revealing if OW’s on here.

I know you may not believe this right now. But this is the beginning of an amazing new chapter for you, whatever happens. It’s where you show him what he’s walked away from. You’ve got this.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 18/09/2024 21:01

Pleasenotme · 18/09/2024 16:26

Thank you again for all the support, the lived experiences of so many of you, the advice and suggestions, and above all, the profound kindness and empathy. It is has been a real crutch to me over the last 24 hours. To those of you who think I sound stronger, I don't feel so in any way, but I think I am so exhausted that I'm zombie rather than zen.

I sobbed and sobbed when I spoke to the Dr; he was very kind and asked me if I had heard about 'the script', although he referred to it as 'the middle-aged man's script', which made me smile in a bleak way after all the references to it on here. I told him about the suicide ideation which he assured me was very normal in these circumstances. He has prescribed A-D's and has urged me to contact the local NHS crisis team if I feel I am spiralling, or go to A&E although that suggestion didn't hold much appeal after recently spending a night in there with DS after a sporting injury. The A-D's I've been prescribed are Sertraline; I had Citalopram years ago when I had some post-natal depression which although it helped me, led to awful side effects, hence his offering Setraline. I've just googled the potential side effects of that and they are terrifying so if anyone has anything positive to say about how it has helped them, I would love to hear as I'm frightened of taking it I think. He said he could sign me off sick but I decided against that at the moment as I think all I would do is spend all day crying. He suggested a compromise that I talk to my boss about doing some kind of temporary part time arrangement. I don't know. I am struggling to make any kind of decision. I'm finding it an effort even to bother to go and have a wee so I sit here bursting to do so but sort of stuck in my chair.

I've not heard from my H today and as I'm blocked I can't see if he is online. I keep expecting a letter to come through the door with a notice of divorce proceedings and nearly jumped out of my skin when some mail was delivered earlier. It feels like the Sword of Damocles is slowly working its way down to my throat. I've been in touch with a friend whose DH left her last year - she has told me about an online divorce coach and mentor who she said helped her greatly but I don't think I'm in a place where I actually want to do this as it means I have to accept this is real, and I'm still holding out hope that I'll wake up and it isn't.

I've taken sertraline for years, and had no negative.side effects. It kicked in quickly, and helped me stay level.

Pleasenotme · 18/09/2024 21:01

Scentedjasmin · 18/09/2024 20:14

Hi, OP,
I think that it was me who said, "even if this were true, although I doubt it". I was responding to your assertion that he had aged well and that you hadn't and had quoted the sentence that you wrote. I was trying to say that I didn't necessarily believe your view, not the thread or situation. So if it was me, then I sincerely apologise for any confusion and unintended hurt caused. I should have been clearer. I know how awful it is when you post from your heart and someone accuses you of making it up, having been on the receiving end before.

Thank you @Scentedjasmin , I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your comments and I'm so grateful for your support Flowers

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