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What makes people have affairs?

283 replies

Janellemoaner · 15/09/2024 11:39

I am married, and have had several affairs. I’m pretty sure my DH is the same. Neither of us have ever spoken about it to the other. I read recently that 20% of married people have been unfaithful. I know of many others similar to me (obviously I’ve slept with several, but there are others from work who I know are carrying on with others).

Some people are viscerally angry when people mention affairs. The vitriol on here is a sight to behold, for example. But I wonder what drives others to have affairs. For me, at the basic level I like sex and it’s more fun with someone new-ish, exciting and without the baggage that comes with a proper relationship. Is it like that for everyone? Maybe part of it’s a power thing as well, reassurance that I can still do it.

I also wonder why the level of hatred at affairs is so high when far more people do it than perhaps you might think. Is it any worse than being perpetually rude or nasty to a partner, or having a drink problem?

FWIW my DH and I get along great. Neither of us ask nor tell about affairs. I think it helps an imperfect marriage rather than hinders it. Would I prefer us to be able to have a wonderfully happy life of fidelity? Of course. But since we can’t, is what we do really so terrible?

OP posts:
IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 17/09/2024 20:24

User19876536484 · 17/09/2024 20:18

Ok using the official definition of ‘mistake’ which you seem to be utterly drawn to, as an ‘act that is wrong’ would you count verbal assault as a mistake? Racial abuse as a mistake? A physical assault as a mistake?

They’re all acts that are wrong…

I don’t think you would

Then you are mistaken.

So you would call physically assaulting someone a "mistake"?

I think that would show a lack of judgement on your behalf, you would be making a mistake.

But in your eyes, mislabelling an action and physically assaulting someone come under the same heading?

Elasticatedtrousers · 17/09/2024 20:25

Fair enough, I guess each to their own when it comes to the nuances of language. It’s certainly not a word I would apply to any circumstance where there had been intent to harm or knowledge that the act could cause harm.

User19876536484 · 17/09/2024 20:35

So you would call physically assaulting someone a "mistake"?

Unless there is good reason, yes. Wouldn’t you?

mydogisthebest · 17/09/2024 20:39

EchoFallz · 17/09/2024 19:08

I could’ve written your post OP @Janellemoaner
Wanting a little bit of fun in a very long and caring marriage isnt the end of the world and actually, I do wonder whether I’d stay if it wasn’t for this as we’ve become so different.

We’ve known each other over 30 years and love each other a lot but it’s just the frisson and the excitement.

Well obviously not a very caring marriage if you think cheating is ok. Wanting a little bit of fun in a long marriage! How sad.

I have been married 44 years and certainly do not think having an affair is a little bit of fun and, to me, it would be the end of the world

CheekyHobson · 17/09/2024 20:50

As an editor, the word mistake is widely understood to indicate wrongdoing with a lack of intent while wrongdoing with intent is a choice.

Adding up a line of numbers on an invoice wrongly and overcharging is a mistake. Adding extra hours to the invoice and overcharging based on that is cheating the customer.

A child can understand the difference so any adult attempting to wave the active wrongdoing of an affair away as “a mistake” is only trying to diminish their responsibility.

If you can replace the word “mistake” in a sentence with “bad choice” and it becomes more accurate, then it was not a mistake in the first place.

Grumpy12345 · 17/09/2024 22:54

CheekyHobson · 17/09/2024 19:30

Ah, the classic "Jeez, I was only joking, can't you take a joke?"

I think it's very sad that you believe the majority of people would have an affair if they could be sure they wouldn't get caught, and says far more about you than it does about any one else.

For the record, I was in an unhappy emotionally and financially abusive relationship that took me three years to extract myself from. In that time I had no sex life (my choice) and was desperately lonely. But I was still in the relationship and in respect to that fact, I never cheated on my ex, even though I'm quite sure I could have gotten away with it.

Cheating would be out of integrity with who I am. Anyone who cheats does it because they have chosen to live without integrity, whatever their excuse for wanting to do it is.

Whatever are you talking about? I never said the majority of people would have an affair if they thought they wouldn’t get caught 🤷🏾‍♀️

Grumpy12345 · 17/09/2024 22:57

CheekyHobson · 17/09/2024 19:30

Ah, the classic "Jeez, I was only joking, can't you take a joke?"

I think it's very sad that you believe the majority of people would have an affair if they could be sure they wouldn't get caught, and says far more about you than it does about any one else.

For the record, I was in an unhappy emotionally and financially abusive relationship that took me three years to extract myself from. In that time I had no sex life (my choice) and was desperately lonely. But I was still in the relationship and in respect to that fact, I never cheated on my ex, even though I'm quite sure I could have gotten away with it.

Cheating would be out of integrity with who I am. Anyone who cheats does it because they have chosen to live without integrity, whatever their excuse for wanting to do it is.

What do you want a medal 😂 well done, you wasted three years of your life!

CheekyHobson · 17/09/2024 23:07

Grumpy12345 · 17/09/2024 22:57

What do you want a medal 😂 well done, you wasted three years of your life!

You just read that I was stuck in an an abusive relationship for three years and your response is to mock me for “wasting my life” because I didn’t have an affair while I was focused on getting free?

Wow.

Grumpy12345 · 17/09/2024 23:19

CheekyHobson · 17/09/2024 23:07

You just read that I was stuck in an an abusive relationship for three years and your response is to mock me for “wasting my life” because I didn’t have an affair while I was focused on getting free?

Wow.

If he was abusive he very likely cheated on you…

CheekyHobson · 17/09/2024 23:21

Grumpy12345 · 17/09/2024 22:54

Whatever are you talking about? I never said the majority of people would have an affair if they thought they wouldn’t get caught 🤷🏾‍♀️

My mistake, I thought you were the poster who said most people would have affairs if they could get away with it, but I see now that actually you were equating the immorality of exceeding the speed limit or telling a fib with lying consistently to your declared life partner while you fuck someone else.

CheekyHobson · 17/09/2024 23:22

Grumpy12345 · 17/09/2024 23:19

If he was abusive he very likely cheated on you…

He certainly lied to me about a lot of things but no, I strongly doubt he cheated. What’s that got to do with you jeering at me?

EarthaKittsVoice · 17/09/2024 23:29

Ifoughthefight · 15/09/2024 12:33

Forgot to add: using sex without commitment with men when you are officially married and are not paid for it has a word for it

What's that word?

Starspangledbanner7 · 17/09/2024 23:31

Anyone who thinks most people would have an affair if they could get away with it, is 100% not marriage material and it’s only a matter of time before they act on their impulses. If they don’t act on their impulses who would want to marry someone who spends their life struggling not to fuck other people. Whoever thinks the majority would do this, isn’t in other peoples heads, it’s just what THEY feel. Plenty of us in relationships don’t want anyone else but our partner anyway, and those that do, wouldn’t be comfortable with illicit behaviour, lying and sneaking around. People who think this way shouldn’t marry, because they are wasting someone else’s life, and settling for them. Or they should marry someone of a similar mindset, either way I don’t believe people like that are capable of the deepest true love which isn’t just commitment and obligation, but an exclusive bond where your heart and desire is for your partner, even when times are rough, and nobody else would get a look in.

MidnightMeltdown · 18/09/2024 01:39

I think you're unusual OP. People in happy marriages don't usually cheat. Affairs are a symptom of a failing marriage.

While people like to vilify the cheating partner (which is often deserved to an extent), when a marriage fails usually both parties are responsible to some degree.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 18/09/2024 06:02

User19876536484 · 17/09/2024 20:35

So you would call physically assaulting someone a "mistake"?

Unless there is good reason, yes. Wouldn’t you?

"sorry I broke your nose, deciding to punch you was a mistake".

Yeah....that sounds right...🙄

I'd call it a bad decision but it wasn't a "mistake". It was a deliberate choice.

Elasticatedtrousers · 18/09/2024 06:30

‘I think you're unusual OP. People in happy marriages don't usually cheat. Affairs are a symptom of a failing marriage’

No. This argument blames the marriage and not the people having the affair. Affairs are a symptom of a need for validation and ego kibbles outside of your primary relationship often to attempt to fix an issue within the cheat themselves. You don’t have to be unhappy in your relationship to have an affair. There is plenty of research out there supporting this.

You only have to come on here to see the number of absolutely blindsided betrayed partners who were in happy marriages when something more shiny came along for their partners.

You are not safe from an affair by keeping your partner ‘happy’.

It’s time this old fashioned thinking went in the bin.

notanotherusername2024 · 18/09/2024 06:46

MidnightMeltdown · 18/09/2024 01:39

I think you're unusual OP. People in happy marriages don't usually cheat. Affairs are a symptom of a failing marriage.

While people like to vilify the cheating partner (which is often deserved to an extent), when a marriage fails usually both parties are responsible to some degree.

Nah. Cheaters cheat because they want to. That's the entire reason. Always. Without exception.

Leaving your wife because you're unhappy absolutely never has to involve a new screw.

Marital breakdown absolutely never has to involve a new screw.

Decent people leave unhappy marriages. Lying scum cheat then leave.

We are what we do. Cheaters are treacherous betrayers and liars.

CheekyHobson · 18/09/2024 06:56

Never ceases to amaze me how many people you see on these threads acting as though no other option existed to deal with their unhappy marriage except having an affair.

Anothernamebite · 18/09/2024 15:51

This might seem strange but I think the main driving factor is a lack of self-esteem and self-worth. I simply do not believe that a well-adjusted person would have an affair.

OhDearMuriel · 18/09/2024 16:07

You'll be laughing on the other side of your face when your DH decides to trade you in for a newer model, or better still when one of you gets an STI.

I wonder how many homes you've wrecked out of your utter selfishness.

Farageisafraud · 18/09/2024 17:16

Boredom, novelty, sexless/emotionally unfulfilling marriages,not feeling valued and ego boost I'd guess.

Interesting to read of others' experiences. I think it's easy to take spouse/partner for granted over time and smartphones probably make it easier than ever to cross the line. It's probably easier to retreat into fantasy of an affair than address difficult issues in a marriage.

I'm a middle aged 40something married man (changed my name for this post!), and have strayed into online/emotional affair territory during recent difficulties with marriage but I've seen sense and pulled back before going further and destroying what we've got. Definitely feels like midlife crisis - mentality of 'hey I can still attract women'(see ego boost above) but pretty self centred when you look at it. Can understand why people do it though, especially those in sexless marriages.

OrangeTeabags · 18/09/2024 18:12

I am wholly against affairs but I think for some who have been with the same person since they were very young there is a feeling of having missed out on something (playing the field?) when they hit middle age and this can cause them to stray.
I certainly know of one or two people where this was the reason/excuse given.

But, again, talk about it and end the relationship first if you can't get over that feeling - don't cheat!

Christl78 · 18/09/2024 18:20

OrangeTeabags · 18/09/2024 18:12

I am wholly against affairs but I think for some who have been with the same person since they were very young there is a feeling of having missed out on something (playing the field?) when they hit middle age and this can cause them to stray.
I certainly know of one or two people where this was the reason/excuse given.

But, again, talk about it and end the relationship first if you can't get over that feeling - don't cheat!

Yep - and If you have this feeling then your partner may as well do. So, give them the chance to explore as well.

OrangeTeabags · 18/09/2024 18:30

Christl78 · 18/09/2024 18:20

Yep - and If you have this feeling then your partner may as well do. So, give them the chance to explore as well.

Edited

To be honest, it's a reason I do understand although I don't condone cheating as the answer.

I am paranoid about my own kids getting too serious with their first partners for this reason.

You see it a lot on here - marriages ending in middle age & it turns out the couple have been together 25 years but met at 18.

Helpnifoseeker · 21/09/2024 09:16

@IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos I totally agree with you! I wouldn't have made vows to X, and certainly not to God Himself, to be faithful until death had I not been sincere nor for one moment thought he was not taking his vows just as seriously!
I'm happier without him now but just wish I had never married him in the first place!