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Sleeping with someone on the first date

674 replies

LegalAlienated · 02/09/2024 13:49

Has this ever developed into a relationship?
I’ve never done this myself, and I consider it ‘cheap’ or desperate to try to get a man. Am I right or is it a thing?
(Debate ongoing between my friend and I.)

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SouthLondonMum22 · 04/09/2024 15:39

Josette77 · 04/09/2024 15:15

You have a lot of unresolved feelings about your ex it sounds like. I think talking to someone about this would be a good idea.

I have no clue how many people I've slept with. I'm sure I could count if I made a list.

But I am 46 and was with my ex husband for 22 years.

Then I dated someone off and on for 2 years and finally met my partner two years ago. We plan to get married and I am madly in love.

Having slept with my fair share of people doesn't mean I can't be loyal in a relationship. I've never cheated and was with my ex from 21-42.

I like monogamy and don't struggle with it at all.

You discussing middle aged women you deem unattractive and not competition is misogynistic.
Judging them by their looks when your ex is the one encouraging them.

Most of the women here are now married or in long term relationships quite happily. Given that they are and you aren't, maybe just maybe they know something you don't.

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Exactly.

I’m baffled that pp thinks that everyone must be like her ex.

SouthLondonMum22 · 04/09/2024 15:40

TheCadoganArms · 04/09/2024 15:39

The most worrying aspect of this thread is that Parisianparty is some kind of councillor or therapist. I pity her patients.

I don’t believe it’s true. Especially if she has this attitude with her clients.

Naunet · 04/09/2024 15:41

BeyondSmoake · 04/09/2024 15:28

@Naunet , so long as you avoid @Parisianparty 's posts, the thread isn't too bad at all.

Thanks, that’s good to know at least, just disappointed that in 2024 we still have women with such misogynistic views.

gannett · 04/09/2024 15:42

Clearwater18 · 04/09/2024 14:36

I'd love to know know the type of conversations people have when for example they've met for the first time in a club then leave to go somewhere for definitely no strings sex. I'm being honest here, I'd be mortified in the morning.😂 I'll emphasise that I'm not being judgemental.I find it interesting given its something I genuinely couldn't do and I really love sex within a long term relationship. Do you speak to each other, cuddle etc then just leave hopefully never to be seen again?

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Just good conversations about mutual interests and shared humour that don't dry up, I guess, with added flirty glances and obvious mutual attraction. A decent amount of chat had to happen before I decided to leave the club/party with someone. That's what parties and clubs are for, right? A bit of talking, a bit of dancing, sometimes you get chatting with someone and there's no mutual chemistry so you've made a new friend, sometimes there's chemistry and you're in the mood so you go home with them.

I used to leave before morning quite a lot. Nothing personal but I've always liked to actually go to sleep by myself in my own bed, and back in the day I always used to enjoy a good reflective night bus trip home.

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 04/09/2024 16:00

@Parisianparty you waffle a lot about well nothing really.

we get it no casual sex for you but others love it no judgement there but you are judging and apparently are a councillor or therapist god help your clients with that attitude.

oh and my comment and grammar mistake I’m not your friend and it was written not said get it. A grammar mistake ffs.

Parisianparty · 04/09/2024 16:11

Naunet · 04/09/2024 15:23

Sluts? Well aren’t you lovely? Do you mind other people judging you in such a nasty way, or do you hope for kindness from others?

You need to catch up on the thread, we addressed the slut thing a while back, we’ve moved on now and established that I am insanely judgemental and in need of psychiatric help

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Sevenwondersofthewoo · 04/09/2024 16:17

You do need to talk to someone as your past is encroaching on your life and not in a good way @Parisianparty. You’re now taking it out on people here. You have unresolved issues that need explored

TheCadoganArms · 04/09/2024 16:20

SouthLondonMum22 · 04/09/2024 15:40

I don’t believe it’s true. Especially if she has this attitude with her clients.

Can you imagine it:

Parisianparty: How many partners have you had to date?

Client: Um...I'm not sure, maybe 25 to 30.

Parisianparty: Well it is clear to me you are a mentally unwell slut who will get cancer and die. You should have stuck to using your vibe to scratch that itch, you have only yourself to blame. I bet you were the sort of promiscuous whore who chased after my ex aren't you, AREN'T YOU? Get out of my office, GET OUT and may the three Furies Alecto, Megaera and Tisiphone emerge from the Underworld and chase your wicked soul to the ends of the earth.......oh and please pay the receptionist on the way out.

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SouthLondonMum22 · 04/09/2024 16:27

TheCadoganArms · 04/09/2024 16:20

Can you imagine it:

Parisianparty: How many partners have you had to date?

Client: Um...I'm not sure, maybe 25 to 30.

Parisianparty: Well it is clear to me you are a mentally unwell slut who will get cancer and die. You should have stuck to using your vibe to scratch that itch, you have only yourself to blame. I bet you were the sort of promiscuous whore who chased after my ex aren't you, AREN'T YOU? Get out of my office, GET OUT and may the three Furies Alecto, Megaera and Tisiphone emerge from the Underworld and chase your wicked soul to the ends of the earth.......oh and please pay the receptionist on the way out.

😂😂😂

KreedKafer · 04/09/2024 16:27

SouthLondonMum22 · 04/09/2024 15:40

I don’t believe it’s true. Especially if she has this attitude with her clients.

There's no way on earth that it's true.

It's very clear that she is utterly obsessed with her ex in a really unhealthy way. She was obviously badly hurt by him, and rather than accept that things didn't work for them because he'd had a lot of partners, she'd rather insist that a relationship can't work for ANYONE if they've had a lot of partners. She also clearly has massive, massive bitterness towards the women who slept with him before she did and brands them as sluts, users, cheap etc because she blames them for the failure of her relationship. It's all incredibly sad but I genuinely think she is really unwell mentally and a complete fantasist about many of the things she's claiming. It's pointless engaging with her.

ComtesseDeSpair · 04/09/2024 16:31

Clearwater18 · 04/09/2024 14:36

I'd love to know know the type of conversations people have when for example they've met for the first time in a club then leave to go somewhere for definitely no strings sex. I'm being honest here, I'd be mortified in the morning.😂 I'll emphasise that I'm not being judgemental.I find it interesting given its something I genuinely couldn't do and I really love sex within a long term relationship. Do you speak to each other, cuddle etc then just leave hopefully never to be seen again?

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I wouldn’t opt out to have sex with somebody who I hadn’t also gelled with on a bit of a mental level as well as a physical one, so the cab ride to whoever’s home you’re going to is usually just more of the same: interesting conversation about anything you’ve already been talking about, interspersed with flirting and kissing.

And sex is a great leveller: you’re both naked, you can’t hide behind anything, you have to communicate with each other, and sometimes you’ll bump heads or get your limbs tangled and it will be funny. It means that the morning after generally isn’t actually as awkward as you’d suppose: virtually all of my ONSs have involved coffee or breakfast the following morning, and then you just hug or kiss and wish the other well - or, you agree you’d like to do it again. (In the latter bracket I memorably count my now excellent friend Ty who was a very last minute Tinder date on business in London from NYC who just blurted out with “I had a great time with you last night and not just the sex - how about you come visit me at home in NYC next month?” I did, it was great, almost ten years later we’re still visiting each other.)

Poppins21 · 04/09/2024 16:37

SouthLondonMum22 · 04/09/2024 16:27

😂😂😂

Spot on

Hadjab · 04/09/2024 17:21

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 02/09/2024 14:03

Does 42 years count as ‘a relationship’?

No, you cheap hussey! Get thee to a nunnery!

I slept with my husband the night we met. We were together 28 years before he passed away. Would I do it again? Damn straight I would!

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 04/09/2024 17:26

Only time I fix this was with my now DH.

Together 25 years and married for 20 years so far.

shuggles · 04/09/2024 17:30

@gannett A decent amount of chat had to happen before I decided to leave the club/party with someone.

Do you have magic ears? How on earth did you speak to anyone in a club?

gannett · 04/09/2024 17:34

shuggles · 04/09/2024 17:30

@gannett A decent amount of chat had to happen before I decided to leave the club/party with someone.

Do you have magic ears? How on earth did you speak to anyone in a club?

Smoking area.

(I don't even smoke.)

Hadjab · 04/09/2024 17:41

Parisianparty · 04/09/2024 13:25

Whatever makes you feel better- I just have a strongly held opinion that people who engage in frequent casual sex are mentally unstable, have deeper issues, have a warped view of relationships and love, and are not a good bet in terms of investing in a future with. Promiscuity is actually one symptom of a few different mental illnesses.

Treating people as objects, lacking discernment, thinking of sex as fucks rather than something more important than that, getting a reputation, not being trusted secretly by people you know because you put out with all and sundry, taking health and safety risks, potentially destroying other relationships because you don’t know the people you are fucking from Adam, or their life situation, and the list goes on. Being unable to share with a partner what sex actually is to you, and how many people you’ve given it to because deep down you do feel ashamed.

You can disagree if you choose to- you think I’m mental, and I think you are- this is the product of living in a world with varied world views. The original post has evolved into a deeper discussion on it. I think you will need to accept that the world is full of people who think the same as me…..just as I will accept the world is full of people like you. I use my ex as an example because living with someone with a promiscuous mindset who spent years engaging in meaningless casual sex, is not a meeting of minds, it is a waste for the person who thinks deeper, and most leopards do not change their spots. The amount of threads on this forum about cheating, and never ever does the woman or man just say to their partner- I just fancied a bit of variety, I was bored and the opportunity arose, and it’s how I lived my life for many years so I just went for it hoping you wouldn’t find out. That would be the truth in a lot of cases. I’m just blunt, and you don’t like it- and that is fine, my ex didn’t like it either, but he wants it back badly, so - his loss. Treat people as objects and think in a shallow way, while trying to psychoanalyse others- why don’t you psychoanalyse yourself?

Tell me you have had a Puritanical upbringing without telling me you have had a Puritanical upbringing...

KreedKafer · 04/09/2024 18:28

shuggles · 04/09/2024 17:30

@gannett A decent amount of chat had to happen before I decided to leave the club/party with someone.

Do you have magic ears? How on earth did you speak to anyone in a club?

Not all clubs are just one big dance floor with a thumping sound system, though, are they? Plenty of places have a chill-out area, or a bar that's off the main dance floor, or outside space. And some clubs are really more just like a bar with a late licence.

Parisianparty · 04/09/2024 18:48

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Parisianparty · 04/09/2024 18:49

Hadjab · 04/09/2024 17:41

Tell me you have had a Puritanical upbringing without telling me you have had a Puritanical upbringing...

You spelt decent wrong

SouthLondonMum22 · 04/09/2024 19:02

It’s funny how much of an expert you seem to be on casual sex considering you haven’t done it.

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Josette77 · 04/09/2024 19:04

Parisianparty · 04/09/2024 18:49

You spelt decent wrong

People have repeatedly pointed out that you are conflating your ex behavior with people who've had casual sex.

You can have casual sex and go on to have happy healthy committed relationships. In fact most people I know have done that myself included.

You seem very determined to see things through our trauma.

You also seem determined to make the women your ex spoke to as sad and unattractive while you are above them all. That's absurd. That level of arrogance is shocking considering you have no clue who they are.