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I have no one in real life to talk about this with. Please help me to feel better about it.

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ThisIsJustShit · 13/08/2024 09:05

My daughter's dad and I separated when she was 6. He has since remarried. We've always been amicable but I've never been allowed to meet his new wife. They've been together for 10 years and married for the last 2. By all accounts, my daughter had a great relationship with her when she was younger but, in recent years, she's said she doesn't always feel welcome. I don't have an lssue her dad's wife.

He's been a reasonable dad to her during those years. But, unfortunately a bit of a (literal) Disney Dad. She knows and she can see it. She used to complain a lot that when she saw him, he wouldn't do anything with her or take her out but when he did, t was always to Disnelyland or Michelin starred restaurants so he could "put photos on facebook and look like a great dad" (her words not mine). She's never even had a bedroom at her dad's place because, despite having 3 bedrooms, they wanted a home office (fair enough) and turned the third bedroom into a 'cinema room'. She's always just slept on a sofa bed and was allowed one drawer in a chest of drawers for a small amount of clothes. No personal effects.

He used to ask why she had never taken her friends round or why they hadn't met her boyfriend and she told me it was because she had no space of her own when she was there. So this is not a man who has prioritised her over the years.

He's caused untold upset over the years by messing her about, changing goalposts, making promises he's broken, threats to withdraw financial support from her (not maintenance, he's always paid that - just things like paying for her phone) if she 'upsets' him.

Rarely there for the day to day stuff (eg lifts home from work, supporting through A Levels, parents evenings whatever) but is always good for a grand gesture.

Anyway, we come to now.

She has a good relationship with him, which is great. He's still no different though but she accepts that part of him. That's fair enough too. He's her dad And I've always encouraged it, never spoken badly of him even when she's been having a moan and I've been inwardly eye rolling at him, I've just reasured her that he loves her and it'll all blow over. Which it always has. I'm pleased they have a good relationship.

Anyway, she's currently awaiting A level results in Thursday and university is the next step.

I spoke to her this morning about results day and moving up to university, which is when she told me that her dad and his wife would be taking her up to university when she goes.

I had already discussed taking her up and the possibility of her dad and I taking her up together. But no. She's going to travel with him and his wife and I'm not included.

Tbh, it just feels like a kick in the teeth. She's left for work now and I just cried. I feel stupid. I never cry.

This is probably irrelevant but her dad can't drive anymore for health reasons and he relinquished his licence last year. To begin with, his wife did her dad's share of 'shared journeys' (picking her up from work). But then she decided she didn't want to anymore so my partner and I picked up their share have been doing them all. It just feels like her dad has no responsibility for the day to day routine stuff but when it comes to another grand gesture and a show of super parenting 'for the likes', there he is.

It just feels like all the time, effort, sacrifices I've made mean nothing. All the parenting means nothing because he's come along with another grand gesture and that's what she's gone for.

The worst part is that when I reminded her we'd already discussed going up together, she denied it and said she wanted them to take her and just smirked

I think that's what upset me the most. It's up to her who travels with her. But she'll be moving 2 and a half hours away and I'm not going to see her accommodation or settle into her new room and she doesn't even want me there. I just won't be part of it.

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/08/2024 09:09

ThisIsJustShit · 15/08/2024 07:56

Last night didn't go to plan.

We were going to have a sleepover and watch a film because we'd both said we wouldn't sleep. But she changed her mind because I think she just wanted to be on her own with her thoughts.

That is fine. I hugged her, kissed her, told her I loved her and said she knew where I was if she needed me and went to bed. But she also managed to get a few digs in around me being a bit incompetent and unsupportive and so what use would I be anyway.

My biggest fear for today is this. And it's hard to explain because there's obviously a lot of background that is informing my thoughts on this, and I can't possibly communicate all of that here.

She is really worried about getting the.grades she needs for her course. The offer was 3 Bs, which were her predicted grades so no wiggle room and she has convinced herself she won't get it.

She has already signed up to clearing and has pretty much convinced herself that she'll end up trying to find somewhere through that.

She has arranged to go to school to get her grades at 8am which isn't necessary because UCAS updates at the same time but she really wants to see her friends which I completely understand!

The issue is this.

She is spending the day at her dad's afterwards. So, if she does end up through clearing, she'll be doing it with him.

He won't consider any of the things i would with her because all that counts to him is being her cheerleader. So he won't consider the university, location, transport links, the suitability of the course she chooses, cost of living in the area, opportunities for part time jobs etc. I know her and she gave such consideration to the universities she applied to regarding all of those things. But, in a panic, she's likely to just accept the first institution/course that will have her. I

He won't care about any of those things because, ultimately, he doesn't have to. When she's at university, he won't be doing drop offs or pick ups beyond this initial photo opportunity, nor any emergency runs she might need. She'll be responsible for herself so if it's a pain in the arse to get back, he won't have to deal with it; if the course is completely unsuitable, it won't be his problem because he won't have to deal with it. If it's really expensive and she can't afford to live there, he wont have to deal with it. He can afford to be her biggest cheerleader because, when the chips are down, he won't have to deal with it.

He will promise her everything. He'll promise to support her, promise that he's only a phone call away, promise that, if she ever needs anything, she knows where he is. But when any of that is necessary, there will be a reason he can't come through then it will be entirely unreasonable for anyone to expect him to. She'll accept his excuses. But, I'll be expected to step in however impractical or inconvenient or realistically achievable because Daddy said he would and now he cant. You just won't.

While typing that, I can hear people thinking, "She's an adult now, have more faith, you sound controlling, her course is her choice" etc which is all true but whatever decision she makes will be made in panic and against a backdrop of him reassuring her that, whatever, difficulties she encounters, he'll be there for her, he'll fix it, he'll put it right, he'll sort it out for her and she'll be fine because he's got her back and he believes in her. But they won't be assurances based in fact, they'll just be words.

There are many instances of him doing similar. Making empty promises he can't possibly keep because they're unrealistic and just not within his power to control and then, when the inevitable happens, he lets her down and couldn't have possibly been expected to anticipate the entirely predictable outcome. Where as I'm the negative naysayer for saying right at the start, "That's brilliant. However, have you considered what you will do if <this entirely predictable outcome> happens?"

Then when it does happen because it was entirely predictable I'm not allowed to then say, "I'm sorry. I can't. I've already said what my capabilities amd limitations are and this falls outside of those," because "But Dad said he would." Yes, he did. But he didn't, did he? Because of this entirely predicable outcome that he just ignored at the time.

But then I'm being smug, unsupportive, and "I told you so isn't helpful right now." So, whilst it's not an "I told you so", it is a "There's nothing I can do about because I said if this happened I wouldn't be able to help" which is, absolutely, an "I told you so." 🙄

And all anyone else can remember is that Daddy believed in her, and Daddy had good intentions and would have if he could. And I said no.

Daddy said he would and now he cant. You just won't.

Anyway, I tried to go and speak to her this morning to wish her luck, tell her how proud I am of her whatever today's outcome and just got a load of sneery comments and snarkiness but now she's gone out without saying goodbye and I'm not even sure if she'll let me know the results because I'm just the enemy who doesn't give a shit.

I just feel like I've lost her 😢

With the clearing, if she doesn't get the grades then text all of the things that need to be considered to her father - then at least you've tried your best and it'll come from him. Safety between accom and campus/nights out and cost of living are the main ones.

With the 'daddy can't you won't' - I would have a general chat with her in a couple
Of weeks about organizing her self and asking her for stuff. Tell her when it's dads turn to do something she will make other plans - if her dad lets her down, now she's an adult, it's on her to ask her dad to fix it. Eg if he says he'll collect her then you won't be free - if he cancels she needs to ask HIM for a train and taxi fare. It's not fair on her to expect you to have your life on hold in case he cancels, as he certainly doesn't do that for you.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/08/2024 09:11

CottonwoolCubes · 15/08/2024 08:30

I think her behaviour is because she is stressed about her results. She's lashing out at you because you are a bloody good mother and she can. She can't lash out at him as he's a virtual stranger. Hang in there.

THIS

Greenhedge1 · 15/08/2024 09:18

I'm really so sorry OP but your daughter sounds unkind and I think you may have been ignoring that she has a deeply unpleasant streak in her.

Why is she now so determined to be so sneery of you?
Of course she is stressed and worried, and lashing out at you because she can.

I think that you have done what you could.
Actions have consequences and if you have warned her clearly to be careful of what she signs up for, then you can't do anymore.

The consequences will be hers.
She will have to deal with this.
She's not 12, but 18.
If she cannot or won't realise that this is a careful decision to be made then she will have to live with that decision.

Her behaviour is really very poor and I think perhaps you have been doing too much for her, for her to be so dismissive and sneery of you.

I have children around that age and while they have their moments, she absolutely seems intent on really hurting you.

This may be a very hard lesson that she needs to go through unfortunately.

It is hard to believe this unpleasantness towards you has completely come out of nowhere.

Have you been ignoring it for a while, fooling yourself?

I am so sorry, it is very painful for you.
I really think you need to step back and let this play out.

If she doesn't contact you with her results then you can take it she is deliberately trying to hurt you IMO.

She sounds as if she didn't escape her fathers genetics, which can be hard to admit.
If she does vontact you with her results and she hoes into Clearing, give her a brief list of guidelines to remind her re her choice, and then she will have to accept she made her choice.

ThisIsJustShit · 15/08/2024 09:47

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/08/2024 09:00

Your partner sounds SO lovely! What a thoughtful man. Where did you meet him I would love to meet a man that kind!

Yeah, he is! I met him at a gig 7 years ago - he was in the band - but we've only been together for a couple of years and were friends before that.

Be friends first! Thats my advice 😄

He is lovely!

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ThisIsJustShit · 15/08/2024 09:50

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/08/2024 09:09

With the clearing, if she doesn't get the grades then text all of the things that need to be considered to her father - then at least you've tried your best and it'll come from him. Safety between accom and campus/nights out and cost of living are the main ones.

With the 'daddy can't you won't' - I would have a general chat with her in a couple
Of weeks about organizing her self and asking her for stuff. Tell her when it's dads turn to do something she will make other plans - if her dad lets her down, now she's an adult, it's on her to ask her dad to fix it. Eg if he says he'll collect her then you won't be free - if he cancels she needs to ask HIM for a train and taxi fare. It's not fair on her to expect you to have your life on hold in case he cancels, as he certainly doesn't do that for you.

She's in to her first choice so that's fantastic but yes, I agree with you on all the other stuff. Thank you.

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ThisIsJustShit · 15/08/2024 09:58

Greenhedge1 · 15/08/2024 09:18

I'm really so sorry OP but your daughter sounds unkind and I think you may have been ignoring that she has a deeply unpleasant streak in her.

Why is she now so determined to be so sneery of you?
Of course she is stressed and worried, and lashing out at you because she can.

I think that you have done what you could.
Actions have consequences and if you have warned her clearly to be careful of what she signs up for, then you can't do anymore.

The consequences will be hers.
She will have to deal with this.
She's not 12, but 18.
If she cannot or won't realise that this is a careful decision to be made then she will have to live with that decision.

Her behaviour is really very poor and I think perhaps you have been doing too much for her, for her to be so dismissive and sneery of you.

I have children around that age and while they have their moments, she absolutely seems intent on really hurting you.

This may be a very hard lesson that she needs to go through unfortunately.

It is hard to believe this unpleasantness towards you has completely come out of nowhere.

Have you been ignoring it for a while, fooling yourself?

I am so sorry, it is very painful for you.
I really think you need to step back and let this play out.

If she doesn't contact you with her results then you can take it she is deliberately trying to hurt you IMO.

She sounds as if she didn't escape her fathers genetics, which can be hard to admit.
If she does vontact you with her results and she hoes into Clearing, give her a brief list of guidelines to remind her re her choice, and then she will have to accept she made her choice.

Edited

You know how 'fake friends' will offer pleasantries, reassurances and platitudes whereas true friends will sometimes tell the uncomfortable truths? Because fake friends aren't as invested and won't feel your pain when it all goes wrong but genuine friends care about you and will?

That's the dynamic.

She just doesn't have the maturity or life experience to see it. I supposed I worry that she won't.

Anyway, she has been in touch and we're going out tomorrow night to celebrate. So that's something.

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PopGoesTheProsecco · 15/08/2024 10:03

Fantastic news that she's got her first choice OP! Hope you both have a great evening tomorrow.

ThisIsJustShit · 15/08/2024 10:16

PopGoesTheProsecco · 15/08/2024 10:03

Fantastic news that she's got her first choice OP! Hope you both have a great evening tomorrow.

Thank you x

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CoffeandTiaMaria · 15/08/2024 10:49

Dear god he sounds like a vacuous, posturing peacock of a superficial man. Sooner or later your dd will see him for what he is, especially if he continues to build up his ego at her expense and then lets her down.
When this happens don’t rush in to pick up the pieces, he needs to realise that you’re not there as a standby while he does whatever he likes to string dd along. It might be a painful process for dd but she is old enough to start working out for herself what an ineffective father he actually is.

HollyKnight · 15/08/2024 10:50

She sounds like her father's daughter. I doubt there is/was much you could do to change this mean streak in her. For what it's worth, I really don't think she's as pro-dad as she seems. She probably just feels entitled to use him for as much as she can because he owes her for being so shit. She'll drop him too eventually.

Dery · 15/08/2024 10:57

@ThisIsJustShit - great news that your daughter is into her first choice uni! Huge congratulations. Enjoy celebrating with her and without her!

ThisIsJustShit · 15/08/2024 11:01

HollyKnight · 15/08/2024 10:50

She sounds like her father's daughter. I doubt there is/was much you could do to change this mean streak in her. For what it's worth, I really don't think she's as pro-dad as she seems. She probably just feels entitled to use him for as much as she can because he owes her for being so shit. She'll drop him too eventually.

She isn’t actually mean. But she is being a bit of a dick at the moment!

He does hot and cold. I do reliable and consistent. It's like any other emotionally abusive relationship - the highs feel higher in contrast to the lows. And then safe and dependable is boring.

I don't do his style of 'high' and, even if I did, it would be unsustainable.

She 'forgets' the lows at times.like this.

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ThisIsJustShit · 15/08/2024 11:04

CoffeandTiaMaria · 15/08/2024 10:49

Dear god he sounds like a vacuous, posturing peacock of a superficial man. Sooner or later your dd will see him for what he is, especially if he continues to build up his ego at her expense and then lets her down.
When this happens don’t rush in to pick up the pieces, he needs to realise that you’re not there as a standby while he does whatever he likes to string dd along. It might be a painful process for dd but she is old enough to start working out for herself what an ineffective father he actually is.

Yes, I think that's the way to go.

Especially, as a pp said, making plans so I'm just not available and making it clear I won't be able to just step in.

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OriginalUsername2 · 15/08/2024 11:23

I’d be tempted to say, very lightly, to dd “Is there any reason you keep smirking at me and making little digs?”

Greenhedge1 · 15/08/2024 11:27

So delighted to read that she got in.
At least you have been spared that stress.
Congratulations to you Mum, you should be very proud of yourself.

I completely agree with others.

She needs now to realise that you will no longer be there to pick up every piece when HE fxxks up.

She NEEDS to learn this.
Otherwise this mean part of her will grow.

You are a wonderful mother who has absolutely done her best.

Part of real parenting are the hard bits like letting them see that the whole world does NOT revolve around them.

Of course you don't want to stress her out, but consideration and respect for others, and THEIR time is a very important lesson to learn IMO.

People who have boundaries are quick to cut off those that do not have consideration of others.

I hope you have a lovely evening with her.
YOU deserve it.
So glad to read you have a lovely partner.

HollyKnight · 15/08/2024 11:33

ThisIsJustShit · 15/08/2024 11:01

She isn’t actually mean. But she is being a bit of a dick at the moment!

He does hot and cold. I do reliable and consistent. It's like any other emotionally abusive relationship - the highs feel higher in contrast to the lows. And then safe and dependable is boring.

I don't do his style of 'high' and, even if I did, it would be unsustainable.

She 'forgets' the lows at times.like this.

You're doing the same thing though. You're dismissing her shit behaviour because you live for the highs. Look at how she is treating you. Sneering at you. Cutting you out of important days. Not even saying goodbye to you when she went to collect her results. If she wasn't your daughter, would you say that sounds like a nice person? You try to excuse her behaviour just how she tries to excuse his so neither of you have to face the truth.

MyNamesGaryAndImAddictedToChips · 15/08/2024 12:17

CoffeandTiaMaria · 15/08/2024 10:49

Dear god he sounds like a vacuous, posturing peacock of a superficial man. Sooner or later your dd will see him for what he is, especially if he continues to build up his ego at her expense and then lets her down.
When this happens don’t rush in to pick up the pieces, he needs to realise that you’re not there as a standby while he does whatever he likes to string dd along. It might be a painful process for dd but she is old enough to start working out for herself what an ineffective father he actually is.

THIS. Oh God, very much this.

Speaking from bitter experience and now many years on and a lot more perspective. I'm now very close with my DD.

Have an unmumsnetty hug @ThisIsJustShit. I know how painful this is right now.

Meadowwild · 15/08/2024 15:45

ThisIsJustShit · 14/08/2024 13:22

Another thing that has cropped up more recently is that, because he is very 'hands off', he doesn't get involved in any of her plans. If I show any interest in what she is doing at all, she perceives that I don't trust her capabilities and I'm 'involving' myself.

Eg she is travelling to London next week to see Taylor Swift with a friend - it's the first time she's travelled anywhere tbh so, yes, it's in my head.

I asked her about the plans a couple of days ago (because I'm excited for her and proud of, them for organising it all themselves). and she became angry at me asking why I'm 'third partying', telling me I don't trust her and that's the problem with me - that I don't trust her capabilities and treat her like a toddler. It was a totally disproportionate response.

I can take a "For god's sake, mum!" eyeball but this was vitriolic.

Her dad has said nothing about any of it, of course. She interprets this as him trusting her and having more faith in her than I do. The reality is that he just hasn't given it a second thought. It's nothing to do with him. Not his problem.

However, if she has a bit of a grumble to him about that sort of thing, I've suspected for a while now (from things she's said) that he capitalises on it and soothes her by telling her how much he trusts her and how he knows how capable he is. When the truth is, he doesn't actually give a toss because, if the shit hits the fan, it won't be him dealing with it or picking up the pieces.

It's that divisiveness that allows him to construct a narrative where I'm not to be trusted, how I'm not on her side and don't see the strong and capable young women she's become. He and his wife are her ultimate cheerleaders. She can do no wrong (until, of course, she does) - she's awesome, amazing, beautiful!

Eg she struggled a bit with one of her A Levels (through not having a consistent, specialist teacher - all the students did). At parents evening (which he again didn't attend), they gave me (and all other parents) info on additional sessions they were running to finish covering the curriculum and for targeted support. I relayed this to her (including the very many positives). She was obviously very stressed and accused school and me of thinking she was thick and was going to fail etc. It was clear no one was saying this but it was just a measure the school was putting in place to suppprt everyone.

She was very upset and tearfully told her dad about it because she was genuinely worried. Rather than reassure her this was a positive and that I was only relaying information, his response was, "You'll be fine, Honey. We (him and wife) trust you. We've always got your back. You can do this!"

There was a "Thank you, Daddy. I know. I love you." And a, "I love you too, baby," in response. I know because she sent me a screenshot to show how much more supportive they were than I was 🙄

The thing is, they won't always have her back. That is the problem. It's just words.

I mean, nice to hear but fucking useless in reality! Because I can tell you what actually helped (hint: it wasn't empty platitudes). That's right - attending additon sessions. And she was never at risk of failing personally, it really was that they just hadn't covered the curriculum fully.

It's the subtleties she doesnt see.

But it is these things that mean they are afforded the privilege of being the ones to see her off to university whilst I'm sidelined. And run the risk of being sidelined in the future because I'm 'unsupportive'.

Sorry again. It feels like this is just a cascade of shit now that I've been pushing down for years.

Posts like this baffle me. Why don't you call bullshit when she totally misreads your behaviour?

If my DC vitriolically informed me I was 'third partying' and lacked trust I would say: Is that genuinely the only reason you can possibly think of for me to want to know your plans? Can you think of any other, less aggressively negative and sneering reasons for me to ask that question and want an answer?

She'd probably respond, but if she didn't I'd prompt: Can you for example start with an assumption that I love you, and come up with a reason linked to that? Or imagine I am excited for you and find a reason from that? Or a reason linked to practicality and responsibility in case of emergencies? Ask yourself carefully - give this some thought - is the MOST likely reason your mother wants details of your weekend because she doesn't trust you and wants to micromanage you?

Likewise with the extra classes, I'd just have countered that with: You are totally misreading the situation here in a way that worries me, becuase your immediate assumption shows you and me in a very poor light. The reality is that ALL students were given this information because the school messed up this section of your education and are trying to put it right. And I, as the one who went to parents' evening, was given this information to pass to you, which I did. Is that absolutely clear? Now, do you want to talk about why you immediately jumped to the conclusion that I think you're thick and going to fail? Because that is an unnecessary weight of judgement you are carrying around.

Challenge this shit, OP. You are not a martyr. It's part of our job as parents to correct distorted thinking in our teens. And to remind them we are human and decent, not some monster of their making.

Greenhedge1 · 15/08/2024 16:20

HollyKnight · 15/08/2024 11:33

You're doing the same thing though. You're dismissing her shit behaviour because you live for the highs. Look at how she is treating you. Sneering at you. Cutting you out of important days. Not even saying goodbye to you when she went to collect her results. If she wasn't your daughter, would you say that sounds like a nice person? You try to excuse her behaviour just how she tries to excuse his so neither of you have to face the truth.

I really agree with this OP.
I think your bar for her behaviour is actually very low.

She has made a real habit of dismissing you, your intentions towards her, accusations of third partying her🙄, and being sneery towards you.

I certainly wouldn't tolerate it from my children and I think many parents with boundaries wouldn't either.

How she feels treating you is how she will treat others.

I agree with posters that point out that her pure rudeness towards you her mother, should have been firmly challenged by now.

Timetothink54321 · 15/08/2024 17:10

Congratulations to your DD op on getting her university place! That's great news!

I do not agree with all'of the posts on here saying that your DD is deliberately being mean or unpleasant. It's just her stage of life. In order to individuate she needs to reject her mum to a certain extent and the values she represents. It's normal. I'd be more worried about a teen who is too compliant and perfect tbh!

Although I totally understand how frustrating and hurtful this scenario is op, especially when all your neglectful ex has done to win parent of the year award is, virtually zero, I agree with pp, that a lot of this dynamic is down to natural adolescent pulling away, and takes place in hundreds of homes across the country where dads ARE supportive.

The adolescent brain is as plastic as that of a toddler. Your DD sounds very sensible and mature op but her brain won't be fully formed until she's around 25 years old approx.

When one of my dd's went through a difficult patch, she favoured her father, and it just coincided that his more hands off approach naturally aligned better with her stage of development during that specific period of time. Happy to report that dd1 did "return" to me and has gone back to her old delightful self. She just needed to be slightly distant from me at that time in order to develop as an individual and that's perfectly normal I think.

Not saying your ex isn't an annoying, complacent, inconsiderate arse though, because he is all of those things and you are totally justified in being furious with him, but some of your dd's behaviours might just be part of adolescent development and not all down to him, or totally conscious choices on her behalf either ?

Sitdownrosa · 15/08/2024 21:06

Meadowwild · 15/08/2024 15:45

Posts like this baffle me. Why don't you call bullshit when she totally misreads your behaviour?

If my DC vitriolically informed me I was 'third partying' and lacked trust I would say: Is that genuinely the only reason you can possibly think of for me to want to know your plans? Can you think of any other, less aggressively negative and sneering reasons for me to ask that question and want an answer?

She'd probably respond, but if she didn't I'd prompt: Can you for example start with an assumption that I love you, and come up with a reason linked to that? Or imagine I am excited for you and find a reason from that? Or a reason linked to practicality and responsibility in case of emergencies? Ask yourself carefully - give this some thought - is the MOST likely reason your mother wants details of your weekend because she doesn't trust you and wants to micromanage you?

Likewise with the extra classes, I'd just have countered that with: You are totally misreading the situation here in a way that worries me, becuase your immediate assumption shows you and me in a very poor light. The reality is that ALL students were given this information because the school messed up this section of your education and are trying to put it right. And I, as the one who went to parents' evening, was given this information to pass to you, which I did. Is that absolutely clear? Now, do you want to talk about why you immediately jumped to the conclusion that I think you're thick and going to fail? Because that is an unnecessary weight of judgement you are carrying around.

Challenge this shit, OP. You are not a martyr. It's part of our job as parents to correct distorted thinking in our teens. And to remind them we are human and decent, not some monster of their making.

I agree with this post actually - her being mean to you for no reason on results day was out of order, and i think this is a good way to challenge her, putting the onus on her to think about why she thinks you're the bad guy.

CottonwoolCubes · 15/08/2024 22:33

Well done to her for getting in, and well done you, because these things don't just happen. I doubt she would have got in with his support alone. She sounds happy and that's all we can really hope for from our young 'uns. She will come round.

ThisIsJustShit · 16/08/2024 08:41

Sitdownrosa · 15/08/2024 21:06

I agree with this post actually - her being mean to you for no reason on results day was out of order, and i think this is a good way to challenge her, putting the onus on her to think about why she thinks you're the bad guy.

OK. To answer this. This is not our entire relationship! Her natural disposition is very sweet but she does have an angry streak - yes. She gets that from her dad and his mum.

Most of the time, she is lovely. Absolutely lovely. But, in periods of high stress, she does become anxious and, unfortunately, she can become mean and vitriolic. I always challenge her on it. Sometimes, it gets challenged in the moment and sometimes afterwards. It's never left to go unchecked.

Some of it is normal teenage stuff but, also unfortunately, her dad has created such a state of anxiety in her that, when presented with (what she perceives as) a stressful situation, she quickly enters fight, flight, freeze or fawn mode. With me, she fights and with her dad, she fawns.

Because her dad is her biggest cheerleader and also her fiercest critic when he feels wronged, she experiences extremes of emotion with him. He can either do no wrong or she's sobbing in my arms about what an arsehole he's being. Unfortunately, when I challenge her on anything, she reacts in the way she'd react to her dad if it felt safe to do so and and her brain is telling her, "This is going to escalate, you need to shut it down," so it's often disproportionate.

Anyway, as a bit of a further update. She has said this morning that she does actually want me to go up with her because she wants us both there. She has said that she'd be happy for just me and her dad to take her or all 4 adults!

My partner will be fine with that so she's going to tell her dad when she sees him at the weekend.

I really do appreciate all the responses toland perspectives I've had. It really helped me to get through a difficult couple of days!

OP posts:
PopGoesTheProsecco · 16/08/2024 09:50

Really pleased to hear your update @ThisIsJustShit - how do you think her dad will take the news?

Timetothink54321 · 16/08/2024 10:05

ThisIsJustShit · 16/08/2024 08:41

OK. To answer this. This is not our entire relationship! Her natural disposition is very sweet but she does have an angry streak - yes. She gets that from her dad and his mum.

Most of the time, she is lovely. Absolutely lovely. But, in periods of high stress, she does become anxious and, unfortunately, she can become mean and vitriolic. I always challenge her on it. Sometimes, it gets challenged in the moment and sometimes afterwards. It's never left to go unchecked.

Some of it is normal teenage stuff but, also unfortunately, her dad has created such a state of anxiety in her that, when presented with (what she perceives as) a stressful situation, she quickly enters fight, flight, freeze or fawn mode. With me, she fights and with her dad, she fawns.

Because her dad is her biggest cheerleader and also her fiercest critic when he feels wronged, she experiences extremes of emotion with him. He can either do no wrong or she's sobbing in my arms about what an arsehole he's being. Unfortunately, when I challenge her on anything, she reacts in the way she'd react to her dad if it felt safe to do so and and her brain is telling her, "This is going to escalate, you need to shut it down," so it's often disproportionate.

Anyway, as a bit of a further update. She has said this morning that she does actually want me to go up with her because she wants us both there. She has said that she'd be happy for just me and her dad to take her or all 4 adults!

My partner will be fine with that so she's going to tell her dad when she sees him at the weekend.

I really do appreciate all the responses toland perspectives I've had. It really helped me to get through a difficult couple of days!

That’s a great outcome op! Hope the day goes smoothly for you all 💐