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I have no one in real life to talk about this with. Please help me to feel better about it.

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ThisIsJustShit · 13/08/2024 09:05

My daughter's dad and I separated when she was 6. He has since remarried. We've always been amicable but I've never been allowed to meet his new wife. They've been together for 10 years and married for the last 2. By all accounts, my daughter had a great relationship with her when she was younger but, in recent years, she's said she doesn't always feel welcome. I don't have an lssue her dad's wife.

He's been a reasonable dad to her during those years. But, unfortunately a bit of a (literal) Disney Dad. She knows and she can see it. She used to complain a lot that when she saw him, he wouldn't do anything with her or take her out but when he did, t was always to Disnelyland or Michelin starred restaurants so he could "put photos on facebook and look like a great dad" (her words not mine). She's never even had a bedroom at her dad's place because, despite having 3 bedrooms, they wanted a home office (fair enough) and turned the third bedroom into a 'cinema room'. She's always just slept on a sofa bed and was allowed one drawer in a chest of drawers for a small amount of clothes. No personal effects.

He used to ask why she had never taken her friends round or why they hadn't met her boyfriend and she told me it was because she had no space of her own when she was there. So this is not a man who has prioritised her over the years.

He's caused untold upset over the years by messing her about, changing goalposts, making promises he's broken, threats to withdraw financial support from her (not maintenance, he's always paid that - just things like paying for her phone) if she 'upsets' him.

Rarely there for the day to day stuff (eg lifts home from work, supporting through A Levels, parents evenings whatever) but is always good for a grand gesture.

Anyway, we come to now.

She has a good relationship with him, which is great. He's still no different though but she accepts that part of him. That's fair enough too. He's her dad And I've always encouraged it, never spoken badly of him even when she's been having a moan and I've been inwardly eye rolling at him, I've just reasured her that he loves her and it'll all blow over. Which it always has. I'm pleased they have a good relationship.

Anyway, she's currently awaiting A level results in Thursday and university is the next step.

I spoke to her this morning about results day and moving up to university, which is when she told me that her dad and his wife would be taking her up to university when she goes.

I had already discussed taking her up and the possibility of her dad and I taking her up together. But no. She's going to travel with him and his wife and I'm not included.

Tbh, it just feels like a kick in the teeth. She's left for work now and I just cried. I feel stupid. I never cry.

This is probably irrelevant but her dad can't drive anymore for health reasons and he relinquished his licence last year. To begin with, his wife did her dad's share of 'shared journeys' (picking her up from work). But then she decided she didn't want to anymore so my partner and I picked up their share have been doing them all. It just feels like her dad has no responsibility for the day to day routine stuff but when it comes to another grand gesture and a show of super parenting 'for the likes', there he is.

It just feels like all the time, effort, sacrifices I've made mean nothing. All the parenting means nothing because he's come along with another grand gesture and that's what she's gone for.

The worst part is that when I reminded her we'd already discussed going up together, she denied it and said she wanted them to take her and just smirked

I think that's what upset me the most. It's up to her who travels with her. But she'll be moving 2 and a half hours away and I'm not going to see her accommodation or settle into her new room and she doesn't even want me there. I just won't be part of it.

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PopGoesTheProsecco · 20/08/2024 15:35

pikkumyy77 · 20/08/2024 15:22

Well this one s one if those moments where “be the bigger person” really works out for the best. You stayed focused on her and on your relationship with her and he has fallen into the trap of his own narcissistic programming.

It absolutely delicious isn't it!

Mom2K · 20/08/2024 16:02

What I really meant was that I've reassured her that he loves her - because he does. And I've encouraged her to still visit even when she's been pissed off with him becasie being pissed off with your parents is normal. Maybe I was wrong though?

He doesn't love her though and never did. Because love is not conditional or self serving. From everything you have said in your posts - anything he has ever done that could be misconstrued as if it was for your daughter's benefit, was actually motivated by his own image/how his actions would be perceived by others. I'm very familiar with this as my ex is the same.

I understand wanting your DD to grow up feeling that her DF loved her - but the reality is that he doesn't. I would have taught her that this is no reflection on her whatsoever. That she is amazing, but some people are just inherently selfish and incapable of really loving others - they just use them. These people are best avoided - whether it's a friendship, romantic relationship, or with a parent/extended family.

I truly don't care what the law or anyone says regarding parental alienation - a person doesn't have to slag off the other parent - but I believe in affirming the truth when it is brought to light and letting children know that they don't have to remain in an unhealthy relationship. With anyone. I taught my children this as a generic rule - and pointed it out to them if school friends etc were treating them poorly and what proper two way friendship should look like - and they were very easily able to spot it in their own dad over the years.

But I am glad to see that you have had some updated conversations with her and she is seeing his manipulation for what it is. How she handled him with stating her wishes for having you and your DP there was brilliant, and I hope she does read the Lundy Bancroft book for further insight.

I hope you have a wonderful day with her, getting her settled. You and your DP absolutely deserve to have been part of this special day and I'm glad she has expressed wanting you there.

Codlingmoths · 21/08/2024 00:42

what a great turn around here, and excellent life practice for your daughter to not go along with other people’s shit. You could suggest if she really wants him to go saying something like <best friends> parents were shocked you’d not go just because mum is. But if that’s how you want to remember the start of my college, by how you sat at home sulking, I can’t do anything about it.

ThisIsJustShit · 21/08/2024 07:19

Codlingmoths

I think a bit of a switch has flipped for her tbh.

She would like us both there.
She knows I also want to go.
Him going is now evidently dependent on me not being there (because he doesn't want to spend time with me or for his wife to meet me) and on him getting his own way.

She can see that.

I can see your suggested message being exactly the sort of thing she'd say but it would come from herself rather than a fictional friend. The last time he got wind that she'd spoken negatively to a friend about him (because he was behaving like a dick), he threatened to cancel her phone contract.

I think he's about to see the 'take no shit' version of her everyone else has seen for years.

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ThisIsJustShit · 21/08/2024 08:06

He doesn't love her though and never did. Because love is not conditional or self serving. From everything you have said in your posts - anything he has ever done that could be misconstrued as if it was for your daughter's benefit, was actually motivated by his own image/how his actions would be perceived by others. I'm very familiar with this as my ex is the same.

Yes. I can see this now. And you're right.

It's hard because he has changed and it got worse when she became a teenager and after lockdown (he became very anxious and risk averse in his own life). I've known for a long time (since she was born) that he was selfish and self serving but, for a long time, a lot of it seemed to come from a place of love. Yes, I know how that sounds now...

I've never told her his behaviours were normal or OK. Some of it seemed to be what we referred to as 'over parenting'. He wasn't part of her daily life so he tried to make up for it by 'over parenting'. It was always from afar and, tbh, we just ignored a lot of it - eg trying her she couldn't do things or go to places that were perfectly normal things for a 15 year old to do. He would tell her she wasn't really 15 because lockdown had robbed 2 years from her so she was more like a 13 year old and 13 year olds wouldn't be allowed to do X so she couldn't. It was nonsense.

She's done so much he has no idea about because we kept it to ourselves. He doesn't have a clue!

But he is controlling and also a liar. He's very much driven by fear and this is the basis of most of it. Eg he doesn't want me to meet his wife because of the fear of her realising that the version he has shared with her has no basis in reality.

But, when I think back to things he has kicked off about since lockdown, they are mostly driven by his own fears rather than objectively not wanting her to have a life or be happy.

Fear about what might happen to her and fear about what people will think about him if it did.

As I've said, over the past couple of years, I've been more realistic with how I've framed the things he's done to her.

I just never wanted anyone to be able to accuse me of damaging the relationship or getting between them. Or to have badmouthed him in any way. I wanted her to be able to see it. But he's done all of that himself and she can.

Tbh, now I don't know what I think will be for the best. If she wants him to come, I think he should be there. But not if he's going to be a dick and ruin it with his own ego!

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Meadowwild · 21/08/2024 12:13

Wow. I would be immensely proud of my child (and tbh of my own parenting Grin) for handling a narcissistic relative like that. Her replies sound so mature, so emotionally balanced and astute, not falling into any of the bullying traps he's setting for her.

But I would anticipate some financial punishment from this, and pre-empt it. She may need to explain to the uni if there is a financial shortfall, and access funds set aside for poor students or students whose parents default on their promised financial obligations. It might be worth you investigating what funds the uni has available on her behalf and showing her how to apply for them if he does mess her about. Forewarned, forearmed, and so it isn't an emotional blow when she arrives and is on her own for the first time.

She might also want to check out a PT job if that's allowable - just one night a week in a restaurant could cover phone contract and some food bills, if he starts to make threats. And look into a suitable SIM only that she can buy to replace the contract he pays for, so that she knows exactly what she'd choose, where from and how much it would cost so she doesn't have to research that in the aftermath of any emotional blackmail.

She sounds amazing. And so do you. My father was an emotional bully. It took me until my mid-fifties to respond to his tactics the way your daughter has. She has liberated herself from a lifetime of self-doubt and guilt and pain, aged 18. I admire her so much.

ThisIsJustShit · 21/08/2024 18:45

Meadowwild

Thank you!

As far as finances go, she's been working part time since she was 16 and saving. She'll be funded by student loans, her own savings and whatever I can give her. She already intends to get a job.

Her dad has been a bit 'push and pull' with what he's said he'll contribute anyway so we haven't factored him into any it it. She can't rely on it. It's not like he's covering any tuition fees or rent so that's something.

But I don't think he has any idea what effect his inconsistency or threats have on her. He won't even consider, I don't think, that she remembers. But he is someone she can't rely on and I think she can feel that l even if she wouldn't be able to articulate it.

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ThisPresetIsSelected · 19/09/2024 10:39

How's it going, OP? Has she gone up yet?

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