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I'm an OW. And it's killing me.

296 replies

Whenwilligrowup · 11/08/2024 14:51

Sorry this is long . And I'm fully prepared to be completely flamed for this . But I dont know where else to turn. About 6 months ago I split from my stbxh who is a covert narcissist who subtly emotionally abused me for years, as well as the marriage being completely sexless. Around the time of the split, I got chatting to a man who told me he was in a similar situation and I believed he was also separating from his wife. This man was charming , funny , paid me no end of attention and just made me feel alive again after years of feeling nothing.

Long story short we started a physical relationship as well as talking every day . After some digging , it turns out nothing has actually happened with regards to him separating with his wife and it turns out they are still very much living together and sleeping in the same bed (surprise surprise). He tells me they don't have sex , they are like brother and sister, that he is deeply unhappy and wants to move out but that neither of them can afford to live in the house alone and that he doesn't want to mess things up for his two young kids .

Now I know logistically this is highly unlikely to be true , and that this man is probably lying through his teeth , however It's like my brain has a stumbling block when it comes to him. The man I see when we are together is so lovely to me and kind, I just can't compute that this is the same person who would lie to and manipulate two women at the same time. I'm ashamed to say I've fallen in love with him. He works away a lot and we've spent days and nights together, he's stayed at my house while my children were away ,and we've been on a trip together all whilst he was supposedly working away . When I look this from an outside perspective, I feel absolutely ashamed of myself and the person I have become- but when we're together everything feels amazing , and I let myself believe what he tells me about his marriage and that he loves me and is planning to be with me , despite knowing deep down it's all a pack of lies. As an aside, I also don't really believe I'm the only person he's 'entertaining' despite what he tells me either.

Since this began , my mental health has completely spiralled , and I feel like I'm about to hit rock bottom. I've always suffered with depression and extremely low self esteem anyway, but now it's worse than ever. I have constant knots of anxiety so much that I wake up feeling sick every morning , I don't feel like eating, I can't concentrate on anything and have lost interest in all the things I used to love . I'm completely detached from my family and friends and just feel numb to everything. I can't even remember the last time I just felt truly content and at peace. I feel like I'm obsessed with this man and always just waiting for him to message me or talk to me. When I do hear from him it's like I get this momentary relief from the depression, but then I quickly crash back down. And if i don't hear from him or he doesn't reply I feel completely miserable and anxious until I do.

I know I need to end this situation. I know what I'm doing is dreadful and that I'm a shitty person. I feel like I'm ruining my life, and that since this began I've been a terrible mum, daughter , sister, and friend . Since I'm just completely consumed by this affair . Not to mention what I'm doing to this man's wife and children . But I just can't seem to walk away . I wish I didn't feel so In love with this man . I even tried going on dating sites and talking to other men but there's just nobody I feel any kind of spark or Interest with. I just don't even know where to turn anymore and feel completely hopeless, sick and anxious about everything.

OP posts:
MaidOfAle · 11/08/2024 19:10

Wingingit11 · 11/08/2024 18:53

It takes a special kind of someone to knowingly detonate a family unit

Bastard, isn't he? And breaking the OP's heart into the bargain.

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 19:10

It took me a full 11 months of total NC (without him stalking me) before I started to see things for what they were. It’s tough OP but you’ll get there.

Wingingit11 · 11/08/2024 19:12

@Somepeoplearesnippy appreciate it is MM who is most in the wrong. But an OW who knows of a wife/partner and (particularly) children is not my cup of tea

Frasers · 11/08/2024 19:16

Lordy, what self serving nonsense, you’re not in love you just think uou are and obsessed with winning and getting him. Your poor kids. You can stop this any time you chose, you chose not to.

takeittakeit · 11/08/2024 19:21

Grow up -stoo acting like a teenager and walk away.
You got played - not your fault

That you continue it after knowing about his family situation - you are amoral and as bad as him

AD1509 · 11/08/2024 19:31

If you knowingly get together with a married man you are still an awful person.

theworldie · 11/08/2024 19:36

Be very careful OP, I speak from bitter experience. I was the OW and 6 months on I’m still recovering from the pack of lies the OM fed me. All the same script as is being said to you - “we live as friends, haven’t had sex for years etc”. I was in a very bad place in my own marriage and I can see now that I wanted to believe him and he persued me relentlessly which gave me the dopamine hit I needed.

Both our spouses found out and the shit inevitably hit the fan. Turned out his wife knew nothing about me despite him saying he’d left her and wanted us to be together. Long story short it’s messed me up quite a bit, I’d never had my heart broken before. My dh has forgiven me and did everything he could to try and get me to stay (which I don’t deserve). We’re currently getting on really well, I think it has forced us to address issues in our marriage that he didn’t take seriously before (he is no angel, trust me). But ultimately I wish it had never happened and I’d stepped away when I was starting to get red flags flying.

It’s not worth the heartache it’ll cause you in the long run and at least if you walk away now you’re in control of the situation. When OM’s wife found out he completely threw me under the bus and told her a pack of lies about me which left me so bewildered and angry. I have no idea if they’re still together but I feel very sorry for her if they are as I believe he’s done this before and will do it again. I realise now that he’s a thoroughly disturbed and nasty individual despite seeming like the loveliest guy at the time (there’s much more to the story but I’d be here all day!)

Take control now because then you will start to heal that much sooner, otherwise it’ll drag on until his spouse finds out and then he’ll paint you as a bunny boiler who chased him and try to control the narrative and that will be even harder for you to deal with.

Concentrate on your precious children and be alone for a while, get some therapy if you can.

DreamTheMoors · 11/08/2024 19:37

You obviously have no respect for yourself, but have the common decency not to completely screw up another woman’s life. It’s the very least you could do - and I do mean least.
And congratulations on becoming a psychiatrist. Your ability to diagnose complex mental disorders such as “covert narcissists” is impressive.
Slow clap.

FinneganFois · 11/08/2024 19:37

OP, read @woodlandstream 's advice upthread, it's spot on. Don't know whether they are professionally trained or just sensible.

FinneganFois · 11/08/2024 19:38

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Cece54 · 11/08/2024 19:39

letsjustdothis · 11/08/2024 18:04

She doesn't have to care about any of it though. Why should she, beyond annoyed/upset that the relationship isn't going anywhere.

I casually hook up with married men and guys in relationships all the time, I really am not interested in caring about their wives or kids.

Oh I so hope that in the future you meet someone you are completely and utterly in love with ..... then see if you care then about the young women who casually hook up with your man while not giving a damn about you !!! What goes around comes around !!!

Raspberrymoon49 · 11/08/2024 19:44

You need to have time without a relationship, look inward, a man is not the answer

theworldie · 11/08/2024 19:47

woodlandstream · 11/08/2024 16:44

Firstly, you arent in love with him, you are addicted to him.

There is a huge difference. You have chronically low self esteem, just got out of an abusive relationship and you see this man who you describe as "kind" (and yet is lying to both you and his wife and probably sleeping with other women so is as far from kind as possible), as the antidote to your problems.

You are addicted to this idea that he is your knight in shining armour and that he is the escape for your troubles. It's no different to someone downing a bottle of wine a night thinking that will ease their underlying pain- thats exactly what you are doing and why you are having such massive withdrawals and obsessing over him. Your brain is being rewarded with dopamine when he contacts you in the exact same way an alcoholic's brain is, every time they take their first drink in the morning.

First step- recognise this for what it is. An addiction, no more, no less. He is just as much a piece of shit as your ex is.

Second step- realise the only way you are going to escape this hell is by going cold turkey. Yes, that feels impossible right now but at least consider this as a viable option. You dont have to live like this- there is another way, and I can guarantee it wont be so fcking miserable as it is now.

Third step- get some psychological help. This is imperative. You need support and to talk to someone professional about this to help you self reflect on why you keep choosing abusive, narcissistic men.

Your way out wont be "easy" but it IS simple. Get away from this man and seek help. Think of yourself like an addict and what would you advise then?

This is bang on the money. I thought I was madly in love with the OM but can see now it was hormones and like an addiction I craved. He was giving me attention/excitement when I was miserable. I thought he was going to rescue me from my unhappiness but I didn’t even know who he really was, I just saw his best (fake) side that he used to lovebomb me and draw me in.

When I realised what a POS he really was it was like a punch in the gut that I (an intelligent, educated and - I thought - shrewd woman had fallen for his lies). Il always hate myself for that and for my part in the hurt caused to our other halves.

JLou08 · 11/08/2024 19:49

You found yourself another narcissist. You wont see it clearly because your OW. He will be abusing his wife though. You need therapy and should look into the Freedom programme or you will repeatedly be with men like this and will damage yourself and your children.

Despair1 · 11/08/2024 19:56

mondaytosunday · 11/08/2024 14:54

Well you are going to have to go cold turkey. And by the way while you are hardly in the right it's the husband who is betraying his wife, not you.
Go to your GP for your MH and shed the bastard who is dragging you down.

This and I agree that you will need to get professional help in dealing with your mental health in the process . You know you deserve so much more than this man is 'costing' you; the avalanche of emotions and knife edge anxiety. Yes, this is obsession and I know that you know this. You are not a 'shitty' person at all. Love yourself and treat yourself; you are worth so much more. Sending you strength, you will do this

Despair1 · 11/08/2024 19:58

AD1509 · 11/08/2024 19:31

If you knowingly get together with a married man you are still an awful person.

Disagree

katepilar · 11/08/2024 20:05

Your mental health will improve once you get the strenght to end it. Once you wont see him for some time, it will get easier as you get some distance from the whole thing.

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 20:05

OP I would say if you want a sharp shock to snap you out of this, I would tell his wife.

not so he can be with you, you need to walk away entirely, but to see his true colours. The cowardice, selfishness and victimhood will be out in full force.

she also needs to know what she’s married to.

80schildhood · 11/08/2024 20:08

He doesn't love you OP and I don't think you can truly love him. What you are experiencing is a mixture of limerence, guilt, and addiction. You know he is a liar because he lies to his wife, you know he is a cheat because he cheats on his wife and yet you are saving all of your anger and disgust for yourself whilst still describing him as kind and worthy of love. Deep down there is a part of you that knows that you don't respect him and the relationship is unsustainable. He probably feels the same way. How can you go on to forgive each other for being the kind of people who have affairs?

You need to go cold turkey. And you need to get therapy. You need to address what it is that makes you believe you only deserve relationships with men who hurt you. Because you don't - you deserve happiness, love, respect and kindness.

theduchessofspork · 11/08/2024 20:10

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 20:05

OP I would say if you want a sharp shock to snap you out of this, I would tell his wife.

not so he can be with you, you need to walk away entirely, but to see his true colours. The cowardice, selfishness and victimhood will be out in full force.

she also needs to know what she’s married to.

Jesus Christ don’t do this.

Some people want to know about their husband having a bit on the side, some don’t. The OP doesn’t know the woman so she can have no idea.

So far the OP hasn’t actually broken up a marriage or the children’s home - this likely would.

The OP’s goal her is to stop being self centred not get more self centred.

MouseMama · 11/08/2024 20:10

I realise it’s easier said than done but walk away - and don’t date for a good while. I’m not surprised there’s no one else you click with when you are spending time with a charming psychopath. You need to work on yourself, your children and become content in single life. When you’re there, if you want to date again, look for an authentic connection with a man who truly cares for you.

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 20:12

theduchessofspork · 11/08/2024 20:10

Jesus Christ don’t do this.

Some people want to know about their husband having a bit on the side, some don’t. The OP doesn’t know the woman so she can have no idea.

So far the OP hasn’t actually broken up a marriage or the children’s home - this likely would.

The OP’s goal her is to stop being self centred not get more self centred.

This guy’s wife is being exposed to god knows what, given this guy is sleeping around, and yet you think ignorance is bliss?

ineedtogwtoutbeforeitatoohot · 11/08/2024 20:14

You need to block him and go cold turkey it's the only way. This will be having a negative impact on your kids. Your mind will be elsewhere and you will be all over the place emotionally You wont be properly preset in other situations. Knock it on the head before it makes you ill. Tell him to leave it. If he had respect for you at all he will cut contact once you ask him

safetyfreak · 11/08/2024 20:15

Do you really want to go from an abusive relationship to this mess? really.

Focus on your kids, not a man, gee.

Dibbydoos · 11/08/2024 20:18

He's your dopamine, you need to kick the habit before it ruins you. That is what your mental health is telling you.

Be strong, cut ties. Surround yourself with friends and family. Get some counselling to help you recover from the awful relationship you had.

This man is an AH. He wants his cake and is eating it too.

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