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I'm an OW. And it's killing me.

296 replies

Whenwilligrowup · 11/08/2024 14:51

Sorry this is long . And I'm fully prepared to be completely flamed for this . But I dont know where else to turn. About 6 months ago I split from my stbxh who is a covert narcissist who subtly emotionally abused me for years, as well as the marriage being completely sexless. Around the time of the split, I got chatting to a man who told me he was in a similar situation and I believed he was also separating from his wife. This man was charming , funny , paid me no end of attention and just made me feel alive again after years of feeling nothing.

Long story short we started a physical relationship as well as talking every day . After some digging , it turns out nothing has actually happened with regards to him separating with his wife and it turns out they are still very much living together and sleeping in the same bed (surprise surprise). He tells me they don't have sex , they are like brother and sister, that he is deeply unhappy and wants to move out but that neither of them can afford to live in the house alone and that he doesn't want to mess things up for his two young kids .

Now I know logistically this is highly unlikely to be true , and that this man is probably lying through his teeth , however It's like my brain has a stumbling block when it comes to him. The man I see when we are together is so lovely to me and kind, I just can't compute that this is the same person who would lie to and manipulate two women at the same time. I'm ashamed to say I've fallen in love with him. He works away a lot and we've spent days and nights together, he's stayed at my house while my children were away ,and we've been on a trip together all whilst he was supposedly working away . When I look this from an outside perspective, I feel absolutely ashamed of myself and the person I have become- but when we're together everything feels amazing , and I let myself believe what he tells me about his marriage and that he loves me and is planning to be with me , despite knowing deep down it's all a pack of lies. As an aside, I also don't really believe I'm the only person he's 'entertaining' despite what he tells me either.

Since this began , my mental health has completely spiralled , and I feel like I'm about to hit rock bottom. I've always suffered with depression and extremely low self esteem anyway, but now it's worse than ever. I have constant knots of anxiety so much that I wake up feeling sick every morning , I don't feel like eating, I can't concentrate on anything and have lost interest in all the things I used to love . I'm completely detached from my family and friends and just feel numb to everything. I can't even remember the last time I just felt truly content and at peace. I feel like I'm obsessed with this man and always just waiting for him to message me or talk to me. When I do hear from him it's like I get this momentary relief from the depression, but then I quickly crash back down. And if i don't hear from him or he doesn't reply I feel completely miserable and anxious until I do.

I know I need to end this situation. I know what I'm doing is dreadful and that I'm a shitty person. I feel like I'm ruining my life, and that since this began I've been a terrible mum, daughter , sister, and friend . Since I'm just completely consumed by this affair . Not to mention what I'm doing to this man's wife and children . But I just can't seem to walk away . I wish I didn't feel so In love with this man . I even tried going on dating sites and talking to other men but there's just nobody I feel any kind of spark or Interest with. I just don't even know where to turn anymore and feel completely hopeless, sick and anxious about everything.

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letsjustdothis · 11/08/2024 18:04

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She doesn't have to care about any of it though. Why should she, beyond annoyed/upset that the relationship isn't going anywhere.

I casually hook up with married men and guys in relationships all the time, I really am not interested in caring about their wives or kids.

Hisapsy · 11/08/2024 18:10

Your answer is in your title:

"I'm an OW" and "it's killing me"

It is killing you. Make it stop. The euphoria you feel with him is completely fake. He is a skilled manipulator or women. Get rid, turn the page, never look back. Don't wait for NHS therapy - chat anonymously on here. Change your name as many times as you like.

SomethingUniqueThisTime · 11/08/2024 18:12

Something similar happened to me well over 20 years ago. I ended up having a serious mental health crisis and it took me several years to fully recover. I’m going to give you some advise that I wish I could have told my younger self.
The thing is you are not really in love with this person, but the idea of what you feel your relationship is, your emotions are filling the gap you need. It is not real, what is making you feel so bad is your subconscious telling you what you know to be true. Read up on the concept of Limerance it will help explain what you are feeling.
Please seek our professional help, counselling and see your GP about the severe depression and anxiety you are feeling. By posting on here you have made the first step, keep going you can do this.

PermanentlyFullLaundryBasket · 11/08/2024 18:15

letsjustdothis · 11/08/2024 18:04

She doesn't have to care about any of it though. Why should she, beyond annoyed/upset that the relationship isn't going anywhere.

I casually hook up with married men and guys in relationships all the time, I really am not interested in caring about their wives or kids.

Why?
There are plenty of single men out there. What is wrong with you that you would knowingly choose to do this?

GameOfJones · 11/08/2024 18:20

You are not in love with him OP. If you genuinely believe you are, then you have absolutely no idea what love is.

This "relationship" is making you ill. You know it's wrong, your body knows it is wrong and your mind does too. Listen to that anxiety, stress and the fact that you are a worse person for being with him. You deserve better than this, so does this idiot's wife and especially your children. They are going through a huge life event with their parents divorcing and you are focused on whether some liar is messaging you or not. You feel like crap because you are complicit in treating other people badly.

You've gone straight from one bad relationship into another. You need to cut ties, get some counselling and focus on yourself and your children.

di2004 · 11/08/2024 18:21

When you are not happy it's time to let go.

xx

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 11/08/2024 18:26

OP you have clearly been hurt in the past. This man knows you are vulnerable and while he might seem like he cares, he doesn’t.
Because he’s a liar.
At the same time, a good actor.
If your MH is spiralling then looking for another man online will just make it worse.
Your self esteem is so low that you are looking to a man to build it up.
Stop dating for a while full stop. It’s awful in that you get a dopamine hit from what feels like love, but it’s not love.
You are in love with a man who doesn’t exist.

Lmnop22 · 11/08/2024 18:27

It’s an addiction and you need to break it. It’s hard because, exactly like drugs/alcohol/gambling addictions, you’re not leaving because it doesn’t make you feel good but because you know it’s the right decision despite it feeling awful.

I would just delete his number and block him and then distract yourself with anything and everything. Healthy eating, regular exercise, planned activities with your kids/friends and family and just stay busy busy busy.

You know if you stay and your hope that he will leave his wife pans out and he gets with you properly, you will always suspect he’s doing the same to you as he did his current wife. So your best case scenario with this man is still a trust less partnership with a serial cheater who will put your self esteem further into the gutter.

I promise you, you are worth more and even if you don’t see it the fact you have guilt over the situation and clearly have so much genuine love to give to
someone deserving speaks for itself. You’re a catch and you should not allow yourself to be caught by someone like this.

Eldrick47s · 11/08/2024 18:35

PermanentlyFullLaundryBasket · 11/08/2024 18:15

Why?
There are plenty of single men out there. What is wrong with you that you would knowingly choose to do this?

Giving she purposely does it I'd guess its the thrill of being with someone else's man (illicit, sneaking around), and the feeling that you're a prize.

reesewithoutaspoon · 11/08/2024 18:35

Honestly you went from an abusive relationship straight into this. It sounds like you are using him as a crutch to fill a void in your life and he's perfectly happy to use you for a bit of an ego stroke and a shag on the side.
This isn't healthy and it isn't good for your mental health. As long as you are with him you can avoid dealing with the issues of your abusive relationship.
You need to figure out how to be happy alone before you go rushing headlong into another relationship.

shuggles · 11/08/2024 18:37

@WaldoPablo Yes but the amount of "datable" men is actually much lower than the amount of "datable" women. There are just so many men who are awful.

And yet, someone recently made a thread about how their ex-boyfriend who has criminal convictions for drugs has no problems with dating women. And men who are perfectly normal and sensible get turned down just because they have a photograph of them fishing.

Is it possible that some women have an incorrect perception of what a "datable" man actually is?

PermanentlyFullLaundryBasket · 11/08/2024 18:40

Eldrick47s · 11/08/2024 18:35

Giving she purposely does it I'd guess its the thrill of being with someone else's man (illicit, sneaking around), and the feeling that you're a prize.

Indeed. The behaviour of a profoundly damaged individual in urgent need of therapy. It's one thing getting into it not knowing you are an OW, but to actively choose it? The warped behaviour of a truly sick mind.

Theseventhmagpie · 11/08/2024 18:44

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Quite right
OP will get what she deserves

AD1509 · 11/08/2024 18:47

Grim. You aren’t innocent here- despite MN’s love of an OW. Zip it closed, get some
small semblance of self respect, try to be a better human in general and move on.

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 18:48

AD1509 · 11/08/2024 18:47

Grim. You aren’t innocent here- despite MN’s love of an OW. Zip it closed, get some
small semblance of self respect, try to be a better human in general and move on.

It’s the opposite - you get flamed as an OW on MN.

AD1509 · 11/08/2024 18:50

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 18:48

It’s the opposite - you get flamed as an OW on MN.

I don’t agree- you constantly get that as a single women it’s not at all your fault- even if you know they are married

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 18:52

AD1509 · 11/08/2024 18:50

I don’t agree- you constantly get that as a single women it’s not at all your fault- even if you know they are married

Not sure what you mean by ‘fault’. It’s the MM breaking their wedding vows and risking their marriages.

what I don’t understand is women flaming OW and then staying with their cheating husbands.

OP isn’t pretending she’s innocent anyway.

Mrsgreen100 · 11/08/2024 18:53

This is what covert narcissist does , you have
fallen foul of one now
looks like u got yourself another one
they are so good at
manipulation
Word salad
etc
check yourself out of this situation now
been there to , it goes in and on
love doesn’t look like this

Wingingit11 · 11/08/2024 18:53

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 18:52

Not sure what you mean by ‘fault’. It’s the MM breaking their wedding vows and risking their marriages.

what I don’t understand is women flaming OW and then staying with their cheating husbands.

OP isn’t pretending she’s innocent anyway.

It takes a special kind of someone to knowingly detonate a family unit

Cupcake135 · 11/08/2024 18:56

Wingingit11 · 11/08/2024 18:53

It takes a special kind of someone to knowingly detonate a family unit

It’s not all on the OW. These arguments are as old as time. You can’t expect women to honour someone else’s marriage vows more than the husband. Not saying it’s morally right but the ‘fault’ is not equal.

MissMoneyFairy · 11/08/2024 18:56

Your lack of self esteem, loneliness and depression are allowing this to continue, you don't think you are good enough to have a nice relationship with a single man who isn't a lying two faced cheating scumbag. He doesn't deserve your misplaced loyalty and I doubt you are the only one, its just a game to him. You will be better off without him in your life, of course his marriage is fine, she may be happy to let him do what he likes as long as the kids and money are there. She may know about you and not care. Don't drag this on, you will find happiness.

Somepeoplearesnippy · 11/08/2024 19:04

Do not be my big sister. She was in a similar situation. The wife found out and kicked the husband out so he moved in with my sister and her two children. Then he went back to his wife.

a year later the wife had an affair and filed for divorce so he moved back in with my sister. Sister is now planning on spending a substantial inheritance from our grandad on a house in joint names with this man.

Unlike my sister you know you are being stupid. End it now.

Thiswayforward · 11/08/2024 19:04

You married a narcissist. You didn’t have time to be alone and recover. You found yourself another manipulative man. Who lied to you and his wife. He isn’t what you thought he was. Go get therapy and build your strength to get away from him and find someone who is truly yours.

Somepeoplearesnippy · 11/08/2024 19:05

@Wingingit11 says 'It takes a special kind of someone to knowingly detonate a family unit'

Yes and they are usually men!!

MaidOfAle · 11/08/2024 19:08

Whenwilligrowup · 11/08/2024 15:30

Absolutely I feel like the pain/happiness ratio of this situation is about 90/10. Most of the time I feel awful and it's like I've been living for that 10 percent. But I'm starting to realise that rather than true happiness it's an addiction . Even when I hear the message tone from him , I get this instant rush . Not healthy.

Leave the bastard. Block him on everything.

it's like I've been living for that 10 percent

Then look up "breadcrumbing".

Then, make a commitment to yourself that you will stay single for at least a year. Then book yourself onto the Freedom Programme.