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This isn't me is it?

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WeNeedBees · 02/08/2024 10:59

I have had so many issues in my marriage with my DH he says I can't be trusted, I don't feel like that is justified at all. I have never cheated, I have never behaved inappropriately or had an emotional affair.

He says I lead men on, I need attention from them, I can't be trusted.

I am losing sight of what is rational here, maybe it is me?

Last nights argument - A guy I did a sporting event with (as a group) last year followed me on Instagram, I accepted and followed him back. Both of us are married. There has been no further interactions, no messages, nothing.

My DH has gone crazy - I am leading this guy on, we will at some point start messaging, I want his attention.

This is fairly typical of the accusations, another example from two weeks ago -

A guy was arranging to cut the grass, there were a few messages back and forth and then we finalised the date/time/cost. Rather than send another message I just reacted to the message with the heart. To my mind that says yes I have seen this message and I am happy with it.

Same thing the next time he was due to come round, he had to change the agreed time so we rearranged and I heart reacted it. My thought process was that DH wouldn't like me prolonging a conversation and that just shut it down whilst accepting.

Apparently this is a sign of how I can' be trusted because the heart react is leading this guy on and giving him the wrong idea.

There are hundreds more examples I could give, all very similar - I don't feel like I behave inappropriately but DH says I can't be trusted.

I can't keep doing this, we are in therapy together but I can't see a way forward.

Is this me? Am I somehow begging for attention? I don't feel like I am leading people on but am I in denial. I feel like this whole thing is insane.

OP posts:
StaunchMomma · 02/08/2024 17:39

It's 100% him.

It won't get better.

It's your decision if you want to live the rest of your life being controlled and walking on egg shells.

All perceived 'shame' about the failure of the marriage is on him. Do not be silent about that. Make sure people around you know what he's like.

Peridot1 · 02/08/2024 17:40

And of course he is nice to your children. He knew full well early on that if he wasn’t you wouldn’t carry on seeing him. That was all part of his playbook.

Pinkbonbon · 02/08/2024 17:43

WeNeedBees · 02/08/2024 16:07

Honestly my youngest and middle child adore him, he spoils them with attention and buys them treats. My eldest is not at home any more but seems to have no opinion either way.

I would like to think they don't know what he is like, maybe I am deluded but he has everyone else fooled. He is held up as an example husband at his work. People tell me how lucky I am.

I do hope you say 'Actually he has been abusing me for years and I'm leaving him. Even to the point where there have been rules around what I can and can't wear. So, just goes to show guys, you never know. He's not a model husband. He never has been. So just a heads up that you never know what going on behind closed doors'.

That is if you feel its safe to share with them.
I mean tbf they don't need to know. But it would piss me off no end having people assume he'd left me or that I'd somehow 'failed'. Fuck that, I'd tell the world he was abusive. Hopefully it'll stop any workplace idiots from pursuing him thinking he's a catch now you're out too.

StaunchMomma · 02/08/2024 17:44

WeNeedBees · 02/08/2024 11:51

Yes he regularly goes right through my phone. Including reading conversations with my best friends. I have since changed my passcode because I felt that was a step too far. Of course changing my passcode is another sign that I can't be trusted.

The list is endless.

WAKE UP, OP!!!!!

This is a tale as old as time and you've heard it a million times.

You know what he is!

VibeVanguard · 02/08/2024 17:54

i want to echo what many others are saying. The heart thing is irrelevant. You’re not leading anyone on by using a heart.

the important thing is your H is controlling and the relationship is abusive.

please get support for yourself OP. You’ve made a really good start by posting here. And I’m sincerely hoping your therapists can support you to leave this relationship in a safe way.

MargotEmin · 02/08/2024 17:58

WeNeedBees · 02/08/2024 11:39

Can I just point out the love heart react is not sending love hearts as a separate message, it is where you hold the message and it reacts to it. Not sure if that makes a difference?

Enough people have said that it is inappropriate that it seems to be backing up what my husband says. I have lead the gardener on. I have made him think I am interested in him.

If I am going around giving people the wrong idea like that maybe DH has a point. This is why I posted, because I can't think clearly.

I think people are saying you've made a small faux pas, not that your abusive husband has a point.

Whatdafudge · 02/08/2024 18:01

F him! That’s ridiculous

CactusPeach · 02/08/2024 18:01

It's him, the instagram example is controlling. However, it is weird to heart react to messages like that.

ElleintheWoods · 02/08/2024 18:07

No, you are just doing normal everyday things and shock horror, sometimes living your everyday life involves interacting with men.

The fact that he says something like you’re ‘begging’ for attention is just so poor.

If he can’t cope with your normal everyday interactions… and you say you aren’t sure if it’s going to work out… Is this relationship really worth your time?

My litmus test for any scenario like this is ‘does this relationship make my life better? Does it make me happy?’

Sounds like your answer is no to both.

GotBeatenUp · 02/08/2024 18:07

MargotEmin · 02/08/2024 17:58

I think people are saying you've made a small faux pas, not that your abusive husband has a point.

It's not a faux pas. I get heart reactions at work - I don't think that nice young Tom from Marketing fancies me. He just liked what I wrote. I usually respond with a thumbs up, but sometimes that seems rude.

ElleintheWoods · 02/08/2024 18:14

WeNeedBees · 02/08/2024 11:49

I used to put x on all my messages but there are rules in place now about how/when I can use them - The rules don't apply to him though.

I don't really go out, we do lots of things together but very few things separately. He even wants to come to a sound bath with me, he's not the slightest interested in that. There are rules about what I wear for the gym, he does think men will be hitting on me there.

I get a lot of grief over my clothes to the extent I said I want to buy some new more professional work clothes (ie more modest as he hates all of my current clothes) - apparently wanting to buy new clothes is a sign of an affair.

we spoke about that in therapy and I explained I wanted new clothes to make him happy, the therapist asked what he thought about that. He said well I don't know if that's the truth do I.

Maybe you should have mentioned this in your OP, and the phone thing!

Unless you are of a particularly strict religion, this isn’t what a normal relationship should be like by any measure.

Obviously somewhere like Saudi Arabia this would be normal but I somehow don’t think that’s the culture you live in.

He’s asking you to be someone you aren’t and insisting you follow his rules.

RegimentalSturgeon · 02/08/2024 18:21

Rosscameasdoody · 02/08/2024 17:38

I mentioned it upthread, as did a couple of other posters I think. If the abuse is discussed in therapy I’m really surprised that the therapists haven’t refused to see them together. I got the impression from one of the OP’s posts that it was some kind of group therapy, but still………

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The words ‘bunch of fucking charlatans’ spring to mind

cocoloco23 · 02/08/2024 18:32

I heart messages from my manager. We’re not having an affair, nor are we going to have one.

Your husband is an abusive arsehole. Have my first ever LTB.

pikkumyy77 · 02/08/2024 19:32

Micro cheating is men’s rights speak for “accusations that give me power over my woman.” I think its borrowed from the concept of the micro aggression. But where people of colour and women use the concept of the micro aggression as part of a broader critique of power and abuse in public and private settings men’s rights activists use the concept as a weapon against their partners.

MaidOfAle · 02/08/2024 19:40

WeNeedBees · 02/08/2024 16:13

I can call to B & Q on my way home for lock barrels, I am sure it's quite simple to do isn't it?

Screwfix and Toolstation will have them if B&Q don't. Euro locks are trivial to replace but you need to measure the inside and outside barrel lengths before you buy the new barrels.

A short-term safeguard is to leave the key inside the lock, turned slightly, when at home. It stops him from opening the door from the outside.

DreamTheMoors · 02/08/2024 19:53

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Why thank you.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Especially complete and total strangers.

despiteappearance · 02/08/2024 20:27

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financialcareerstuff · 02/08/2024 21:04

Absolutely agree OP - yes. It's time to tell everyone, we always have the instinct to protect someone we have cared about - especially if we are used to overpleasing them to avoid their upset. But it's not your job to cover up for him, no more protecting.

You have mentioned being embarrassed that you have been married less than a year- but you are not responsible for his behaviour. It makes perfect sense that his behaviour escalated when you got married and you are showing strength and clarity and wisdom by responding so quickly. I am sure your loved ones will be proud of you. AND they will have the information they need to fully support you. Xxxxx

WiddlinDiddlin · 02/08/2024 22:01

Abusers (and yes it really is) like this RELY on you feeling embarrassed about it, so that you don't burst the bubble and reveal what a horrible arsehole they are.

Tell people. The more you do it, the easier it gets!

Rosscameasdoody · 02/08/2024 22:44

RegimentalSturgeon · 02/08/2024 18:21

The words ‘bunch of fucking charlatans’ spring to mind

Yep, that was my first thought.

Rosscameasdoody · 02/08/2024 22:47

DreamTheMoors · 02/08/2024 19:53

Why thank you.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Especially complete and total strangers.

He’s an abuser and you’re trying to minimise it by calling him immature. You clearly have no experience of dealing with abuse or you’d recognise the signs by OP’s description of his behaviour towards her.

Saddteacher · 02/08/2024 22:56

I hope you’re ok tonight OP ? X

GoodieMcTwoshoes · 02/08/2024 23:09

WeNeedBees · 02/08/2024 11:58

I feel like he has gotten worse since we got married, I thought getting married would help his insecurities but honestly it's worse than ever.

I am glad you are out of that situation now.

If he has got worse since marriage @WeNeedBees , it's probably because he sees you even more as a possession he owns now, and thinks he gets to decide what 'it' (i.e. you) is doing.

DreamTheMoors · 02/08/2024 23:31

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Perhaps you didn’t comprehend my post.

despiteappearance · 03/08/2024 08:18

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