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My man wants my hand and my house

251 replies

LennoxBaird · 01/08/2024 11:00

I've been in a long term relationship-10years now. My partner only recently proposed (informally). I tied for years for getting us ro buy a place together, have a family or get married but he wasn't interested until I mentioned that I worry about our financial future. That's when he asked if he could be a part of my house mortgage and to get married to get our finances merged. I'm scared. Any advice?

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HeySummerWhereAreYou · 01/08/2024 13:03

Nah, no way would I marry this person. He couldn't be arsed when it mattered, and when you were at an age where you could safely and comfortably have children. You're 40, and it's too late to start now IMO. The ship has sailed now. (I know some people will disagree, but 37-38 would be the latest I would start trying for a baby!) Anyway, like hell would I be having a baby with him. Yep, no marriage, no babies.

As has been said, he is just after your pension, your house, and your savings.

@LennoxBaird I am sorry you have wasted 10 precious years of your life on this grabby cocklodger... Sad

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Dweetfidilove · 01/08/2024 13:04

Please seek legal/financial advice even if you do not marry him, as now he's been alerted to the fact his financial future is somewhat precarious, he may because a whole different man.
You've already gifted him your most fertile years (most likely), so don't allow him any room to take your assets too. Men like him often fleece you, then go on and give the life you wanted with him to someone else.

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 01/08/2024 13:04

He has been paying ‘a bit towards bills’, so why hasn’t he got any savings?

You aren’t married. You aren’t financially tied. If he wanted savings, he could have generated them.

Has he give up a career to raise joint kids? No? Then why should you be providing him with security?

VividQuoter · 01/08/2024 13:04

This is very weird. So why he wasnt wanting marriage, kids and all that , house but suddenly realised that well, yes, she wants that but, we will just sign and ....I cannot see his logic

VividQuoter · 01/08/2024 13:06

on the other hand, don't worry about money - it is the biggest and most useless thing to worry about. Then we worry about toxic workplaces also. Working is hard as it is, don't mix anxiety in it, it is absolutely worthless

I just left one job and in the past left few others and the new ones found me within 1 week. That is all that it gets to be hired

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 01/08/2024 13:06

LennoxBaird · 01/08/2024 12:50

I guess I think of it - if I was a man and he was a woman it would be acceptable. I feel I'm an arshole for being scared of the situation... no?

No, it wouldn’t be acceptable, unless the woman had ruined her career by having his children.
So he’s chipped in with the bills for all these years and hasn’t saved a bean? He could easily have secured his future.
Please don’t hand him half your house on a plate.

Y0URSELF · 01/08/2024 13:06

LennoxBaird · 01/08/2024 12:41

We've lived together in my house. I got it 11 years ago, he chips in for the bills. I think.what scared me was his words... Im embarrassed to talk about here, but I really have no one to talk to about this... the red flags are obvious when he said "so that my future is secure too, nor only yours. You have a safety net I don't ". I know this sounds bad. I do feel loved though, he is my best friend and a good person. But financially he's been dependent in me before when in between jobs or out of work. I always had work. ALWAYS. I look after my pension and hence wanted a house to be safe always... and then we met. I think I just don't want to act on the red flags 😕

First you need to get legal advice on how your can protect the existing equity in your house and your pension and make sure you understand what CANT be protected. If you marry him, what his rights are if he’s unemployed and dependent on you . Do this without discussing it with him.

Then you need a have a full and frank discussion with your DP about money , how he sees it working if you were to marry, what protections for you both, how much you both would contribute . Do you plan to have kids now - you are only 40 ?

You need to listen hard to what your Parter tells you and write it all down. The aim is to find out what he wants - not to convince him of what you want.

Then once you have all the facts, you can sit down and work out what you want. theres no point in spending time agonising about why you are scared / what it means/ is this normal etc if you don’t have the facts.

Your options are quite simple really . Do you want

to keep things the way they are ?
To marry him?
To split up with him ?

Your sex or gender or his has very little to do with it, unless you plan to have children. It won’t have any bearing on any divorce.

If you decide to keep things the way they are, you should get your solicitor to draw up a cohabitation agreement for you both to sign . He will want to take his own legal advice .

TemuSpecialBuy · 01/08/2024 13:07

With the additional info it’s a hard no from me.

this relationship is a one way street

when he is working you subsidise his housing by allowing him to live rent free
when he isn’t working but could be you fully subsidise him

He robbed you of your chance of children AND because that wasn’t enough now he wants to rob you of secure housing which YOU worked and paid for???

when have you ever relied or “taken from” him… ?
my guess is never

honestly I couldnt continue the farce… forget marriage..the relationship would be dead for me.
break up with him.

Bemusedandconfusedagain · 01/08/2024 13:07

It sounds very transactional for him. He wasn't prepared to have kids with you or commit to marriage, until he realised the financial implications for him. No thanks. Tell him you're not ready to commit.

vanana · 01/08/2024 13:08

He didn’t want marriage, kids, house buying. Sounds like you should have dumped him years ago.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 01/08/2024 13:09

stayathomer · 01/08/2024 13:00

Is he not trying to give you what you’ve been asking for and showing commitment? To be honest if you’re scared you need to do a lot of thinking x

Ten years too late.

Rosscameasdoody · 01/08/2024 13:09

Edingril · 01/08/2024 11:04

Don't people who get married join finances and buy property together?

Yeah, that’s a decision taken at the start. Muscling in on a mortgage OP has already been paying for ten years is a bit different.

Amended because I’ve just seen that he’s been living with you for 11 years in your house. He’s never wanted to contribute before so why now ? Saying he wants his own security really isn’t good enough after you’ve put 11 years of your own equity into the property.

user1492757084 · 01/08/2024 13:09

If you end up having a child together, would you want to marry and join finances then?

REP22 · 01/08/2024 13:13

If the word that immediately comes to mind when you are considering a life bound romantically and financially to someone is "scared" then I really, really think that this is not the right future for you. I'm so sorry. I think he's got his eyes on a financial "prize", rather than continuing love and respect for you. I wouldn't continue with this if it was me.

Sorry again. I wish you every happiness for the future - make sure it's your own, one that you are fully happy and secure with. x

YouJustDoYou · 01/08/2024 13:13

If you're scared, there's a reason. DON'T DO IT.

Nanny0gg · 01/08/2024 13:14

What do you mean 'chips in?

Does he not pay the bills equally? Are you subsidising him?

Why?

unsync · 01/08/2024 13:16

So what changed his mind? He's realised the depth of his feelings or that he's financially vulnerable if you split? It's the latter isn't it?

If you marry and then divorce, he gets 50% of what you worked for and he didn't? It's not as if he was at home looking after children. What about the money he should have saved by not paying rent or contributing to a mortgage?

If you are dead set on doing this (I wouldn't in your shoes), then don't marry, but seek legal advice and get an agreement drawn up regarding equity shares etc before he goes on the mortgage. If he quibbles about this, then you know what his motivation is.

Cattenberg · 01/08/2024 13:17

LennoxBaird · 01/08/2024 12:50

I guess I think of it - if I was a man and he was a woman it would be acceptable. I feel I'm an arshole for being scared of the situation... no?

No, you’re not being an arsehole.

If one of you had most of the money, but the other was giving up their career (or sidelining it for several years) in order to be a stay at home parent, then marriage might be the best and fairest way forward for you as a family.

But your situation sounds very different.

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 01/08/2024 13:17

My man wants my hand and my house Money

frozendaisy · 01/08/2024 13:17

So he wasn't prepared to commit to kids which sounds like you thought about 7 years ago and accepted it wasn't to be.

Now he is looking toward older age and thinking ooo security i think i am now ready for some of that is this right?

Tell him the time for marriage and joint security is long past that should have happened before you bought a house.

You say "you're scared" that's with good reason and most certainly not a reason to be bullied into marriage.

Tell him there's no reason to get marriage now. No kids no reason. If you had kids then yes making sure the other parent had access to assets if the worse happened yes for sure it makes total legal, financial sense. What he is proposing only makes financial sense for him. And you know that. So does he actually.

You could get married and in 5 years time he could want to split up and be entitled to half your house and pension. Not bad for 5 years little financial input eh!

ThisBlueCrab · 01/08/2024 13:18

You need legal advice and a prenup.

MounjaroUser · 01/08/2024 13:18

It's absolutely no surprise that he lives in your house and 'helps with bills'. It's also no surprise that he's often out of work.

This man is a Grade A cocklodger who has just wised up to the fact you are financially secure and he isn't.

Don't turn this on its head and think 'If he were female' - he's not. He has been living off you for years, resisting marriage and children, not paying rent, and now that he's finally cottoned on to things, he wants to marry you to secure his own future.

He needs to go. If that means you paying him a month's rent to go, so be it. Whatever you do, though, do not guarantee his rent.

TemuSpecialBuy · 01/08/2024 13:19

REP22 · 01/08/2024 13:13

If the word that immediately comes to mind when you are considering a life bound romantically and financially to someone is "scared" then I really, really think that this is not the right future for you. I'm so sorry. I think he's got his eyes on a financial "prize", rather than continuing love and respect for you. I wouldn't continue with this if it was me.

Sorry again. I wish you every happiness for the future - make sure it's your own, one that you are fully happy and secure with. x

This is a very salient point.

i had WAY more assets than my DH when we married and at no point felt scared.

You feel scared for a reason I’d listen to it.

i also don’t get why he doesn’t have 50-100k + in savings from the decade of free accommodation which he WANTS to contribute towards paying down the mortgage.

mildlydispeptic · 01/08/2024 13:20

"You have a safety net I don't "

And there it is. 🚩 Absolutely do not do it.

And don't buy this nonsense about how it would be different if the sexes were reversed. If there are no kids involved the principle should be exactly the same.

Breadcat24 · 01/08/2024 13:20

If he wants to secure his financial future he can invest in a property and also have more regular employment