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I’ve hurt my wife. How do I fix this?

307 replies

AStupidMan · 28/06/2024 10:51

I hope I’m ok posting here. I’m a man, and I’m looking for some advice for my marriage.
Been with my wife for 15 years, and I love her more than anything.
I haven’t been the best husband over the years, and now my behavior is coming back to haunt me.

For years now, my wife has been asking for more intimacy, and I would reject her frequently. This caused many arguments and tears from her. Now I have my hard hat on, and I know I will get the roasting I deserve, but I regularly watched porn behind her back, although I wasn’t addicted. This progressed to adding women on social media accounts I was attracted to. I don’t know why I did this, I just wasn’t thinking.

Anyway, two years ago my wife found these accounts and to say she was upset would be an understatement. I instantly realised how awful I had been, and I’ve closed all the accounts, and not touched porn/social media once. Im trying so hard to be a good husband to her. Seeing her upset has been horrible. She doesn’t think I find her attractive (which isn’t true) and she doesn’t trust me anymore. We have had such intense arguments since she discovered this and she’s thrown many hurtful insults at me (calling me a creep, a sleaze etc)

She can’t seem to move on and look at the fact I’ve been a better man in the last two years(in her own admission), instead she is stuck in the past saying she feels inadequate, unattractive and that I’d still be doing this behind her back if I hadn’t have been caught. She even thinks I would have progressed to cheating on her (not true)

I really love my wife and I’m devastated I hurt her. Seeing her upset really woke me up to my shitty behavior. How can I fixed this?

OP posts:
AdmittowearingCrocs · 28/06/2024 11:31

So for 13 years you have rejected your wife and treated her badly, knowing how upset this made her. What was the sudden epiphany that made you realise what a crap husband and nasty person you have been. Did she say she was going to leave you and you are just trying to save your arse? A few notes and compliments is not going to fix this. You have not bothered about her well-being for 13 years. You need to start putting your wife first in everything and get to know what her needs are and what matters to her, pull your weight in running the home and enable her to express what SHE wants not what you want. Put yourself last for a change.

AGlinnerOfHope · 28/06/2024 11:31

She wanted you back for 13 years. She was upset for 13 years.

It didn't matter to you then.

In the surface it would be easy to think you only want her back for convenience- she's your comfort blanket, makes your life easier. Being alone will be harder, you'll have to invest in another relationship and be told you aren't pulling your weight again.

If you want your relationship back you need to prove the above isn't true- that you value her, are interested in her, want the best for her. Until you can demonstrate that, I can't see what's in it for her. She will assume that if she forgives and forgets you'll revert to your previous behaviour.

Wives are not kitchen appliances that you invest in initially and expect to run without maintenance or ongoing input.

EarthSight · 28/06/2024 11:32

You can't spend years in a certain dynamic with someone and fix it as if they were a car-part that's malfunctioning. Experiences leave a mark, and once someone views you differently, then it's very difficult to un-do that. You are simply not the person they thought you were, and so are left trying to piece together what they now think of you, based on all that new information. Some people can love and trust that new person, but many can't, as they wouldn't never have chosen to settle down with that new person if they'd had the choice, all those years ago.

This progressed to adding women on social media accounts I was attracted to. I don’t know why I did this, I just wasn’t thinking

One of the first steps to self-development is being honest with yourself.

I don't believe that you don't know why you did this.

I think you do know, but you're glossing over it with a much-used 'I didn't know why I did it' in order to make it more palatable to yourself. I think you're ashamed of this, or your ashamed of what others might think of it, and you're trying to hide from that shame by not being honest with yourself.

People do add things on social media as a sort of bookmark to come back to it later, but I think men add women like this on social media because there's a tiny part of them that wants to be noticed by those women, to feel like they are part of of these beautiful women's circle in some way.

There's contradictions in what you say.

You say you've been rejecting your wife frequently over the years, but maintain you're attracted to her. Unless someone was sexually abused, this doesn't usually happen.

This leads me to think that yes, maybe you are/were attracted to your wife, but that quite simply, porn was better and easier.

It gave you the stimulation you needed, with a catalogue of multiple women, at any time you needed it. You were able to select women who looked like your wife, or total opposite, of a wide age range, and unlike your wife, none of them would expect anything from you, no mutual sexual pleasure.

I'm trying so hard to be a good husband to her

Although this sounds admirable on the surface, this is part of the problem I'm afraid.

Someone shouldn't have to try that hard to be a good husband. Maybe it should be in the back of their minds as a value they want to stick to, but it should be something that's second nature. If it isn't, then it's not who you are on the inside, and as such you're vulnerable to slipping back to how you naturally are, and she knows that.

Imagine someone saying 'I'm trying so hard to love her', or 'i'm trying really hard not to cheat'.

If you have to try that hard to love someone.....then is that a sustainable, stable thing for the future?

AGlinnerOfHope · 28/06/2024 11:32

And sleazy is t an insult, it's a fact. A description of your behaviour.

AStupidMan · 28/06/2024 11:33

They weren’t all porn accounts on social media. Some were just women I must have followed because I found attractive (she sometimes is more upset over them than the porn accounts)

I have been an utter fool. She is such a lovely caring woman, and now she’s so full of anger. She was never an angry person before. I know I’m getting a lot of hate, and I know it’s all deserved.

I just want to help heal her pain now. Maybe I’ll suggest counselling then.

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AnotherUdderName · 28/06/2024 11:33

I don't think many posts here are helpful.

The OP didn't have an affair.

He developed a porn habit.
It wasn't great but it shouldn't be a marriage breaker.

Yes, he added women on SM but if he was only looking, and not straying, the marriage can survive IMO if his wife wants to make it work. If she doesn't they need to plan to separate.

AmelieTaylor · 28/06/2024 11:34

SaucySabotender · 28/06/2024 11:24

Your wife will have trauma around this for the rest of her life. It gets better, but it never goes away. She will continue to be triggered when things come up that involve the trauma…sex scenes, the mention of porn, the type of women you liked to follow, etc etc. You’ve basically damaged her for life by what you’ve done. She will always harbour doubts about you, once that trust has been broken it can never go back to how it was before. And she will likely always have self esteem issues because of your rejection of her while gratifying yourself to other women.

It’s possible for her to heal if she separates from you, but your presence will always be a reminder of the pain you caused.

@SaucySabotender

i wish I'd seen your post before writing mine, I'd have just agreed instead!!

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 28/06/2024 11:34

She has mentioned counselling - for me though. She thinks I should go to some kind of therapist for “infancy avoidance” as she called it. It would be embarrassing to talk to someone in real life over it, but I am willing if it would help.

Okay, so have you researched therapists, found one, and booked the first appointment? No, I thought not. You want HER to do it, don't you?

OP, I actually feel sorry for you and the many many many men like you out there. You honestly have no freaking idea. You cook "for her". Wow. That's amazing. do you also do the meal planning, the shopping and the tidying up? or do you wait for her to tell you what to eat, including any changes to meet preferences, and what's int he fridge and how to cook it?

BIWI · 28/06/2024 11:34

The insincerity is dripping from your posts @AStupidMan

NonPlayerCharacter · 28/06/2024 11:34

Do you see what's wrong with saying that you "help" with parenting your own kids and running your own house?

Urbanliving · 28/06/2024 11:35

Look, you finally woke up because your actions were now threatening to hurt YOU, because they threatened your comfortable life being married.

You were not motivated to act for over a decade when she was telling you that your behaviour was hurting HER.

Both your actions and you deciding to change your actions were motivated by your own self interest, not by concern for your wife.

She knows this.

No one here can tell you how to manipulate your wife into thinking you are a decent good man who she should love and trust.

AnotherUdderName · 28/06/2024 11:35

AStupidMan · 28/06/2024 11:33

They weren’t all porn accounts on social media. Some were just women I must have followed because I found attractive (she sometimes is more upset over them than the porn accounts)

I have been an utter fool. She is such a lovely caring woman, and now she’s so full of anger. She was never an angry person before. I know I’m getting a lot of hate, and I know it’s all deserved.

I just want to help heal her pain now. Maybe I’ll suggest counselling then.

For her, she will equate what you did with an affair.

Looking but not touching is all the same to some women.

It was fulfilling some need in you and rather than have sex with her, you were getting your rocks off with women online.

If this was reversed and she'd done this to you, what would you advise?

AStupidMan · 28/06/2024 11:35

There’s no war I would go back to those behaviors. The thought of porn or going on social media to look at women repulses me. I have such strong negative associations now, but my wife thinks give it a year or so and I’ll start up again. I’m a changed man.

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hurklebum · 28/06/2024 11:35

I smell a wind up, reversal or most probably somebody getting off on being told off by people on MN.

'No, please tell me how bad I've been, ooh, more."

Itslookinglikeabeautifulday · 28/06/2024 11:36

ActualChips · 28/06/2024 11:29

You've started to 'help' with your kids and the house you live in? It just gets worse and worse.
You parent your kids, you behave as a normal functional adult, neither of those things are 'helping' your wife.

Honestly, do the decent thing and divorce the woman.

My thoughts exactly regarding the "helping". You need to take a good look at your mindset and get out of the dark ages. The kids and house are just as much your responsibility as hers. She needs no help. THEY do.

AStupidMan · 28/06/2024 11:37

She’s asked me what I would have done if it had happened in reverse. My answer was I would want to talk to her about it and find out what was going on. But this response angers her for some reason.

OP posts:
MissIndecisive2023 · 28/06/2024 11:37

Don't ask us how you can fix it, ask her!

She has already suggested that you should have counselling, so why aren't you already doing that?

BeeCucumber · 28/06/2024 11:37

It’s the teaspoons I feel sorry for.

AmelieTaylor · 28/06/2024 11:38

MoonintheStreet · 28/06/2024 11:27

Fair point. I apologise unreservedly to all teaspoons.

@MoonintheStreet

my teaspoons are considering your apology, but are hurt, hurt that you'd go there.

they'll get back to you later.

ActualChips · 28/06/2024 11:38

Any thoughts on the replies to your thread @AStupidMan ? Your replies indicate you don't understand what the issue is. Eg 'helping'.

amiahoarder · 28/06/2024 11:39

MrsWhites · 28/06/2024 11:00

Why did you reject her for so many reasons if you love and find her attractive?

I think in order for her to not blame herself (thinking she is unattractive etc) that you need to work out the reasons why and have an honest conversation with her. Perhaps then, depending on what the reason is, she could start to move past your behaviour.

This

Catoo · 28/06/2024 11:39

hurklebum · 28/06/2024 11:35

I smell a wind up, reversal or most probably somebody getting off on being told off by people on MN.

'No, please tell me how bad I've been, ooh, more."

Absolutely this is a wind up now.
The ‘helping’ with DC, cooking ‘for her’, and ‘not all the women I wanked over were porn stars’ have confirmed this.

AStupidMan · 28/06/2024 11:39

I don’t need people to tell me I’ve been a shit, I know it. It wasn’t my reason for posting.

i just want to help my wife move on. For her to feel happy. I’m going to bow out of this now and book the counselling. Thanks for that suggestion.

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TomatoSandwiches · 28/06/2024 11:39

If we, mere strangers on a screen can sense your insincerity then I'm sure your wife listens to everything you say through that filter.

13 years of really awful behaviour is too much, your problems are your own but they have negatively impacted your wife, you should leave her so she can find happiness within herself and perhaps if she is so inclined and you haven't destroyed her faith in men altogether, find a decent partner who treats her appropriately.

marmite2023 · 28/06/2024 11:40

You need couples counselling and individual therapy. It’s the best way forward to find a way to communicate