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how can I force H to support my financially in giving up work

254 replies

Lostmymarbles0815 · 26/06/2024 09:06

that's if. He doesn't want to. we have split finances. I already only work part time as DC1 has complex SN. I manage by having my part time salary and child benefit and their PIP. However, DC2 is unwell and will in all likelihood not be able to return to school soon. Too many appointments, I will not be able to carry on working and my only income will be carers allowance (£81 weekly). H earns too well for UC. I cannot pay my share of the bills on that. I have no family, no friends and no support network. What do I do? I have some saving but they will not last long. I need to gain access to his salary. how can I legally force him to share?

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Mirabai · 26/06/2024 10:19

He holidays alone etc as he can afford but I cannot.

Wtaf.

As posters have said this is financial abuse. If you cannot work due to your kids needs the court will compel him to provide. You do need to get away from him this is untenable.

whynosummer · 26/06/2024 10:21

Two questions - firstly, are the children his? Unless there is some back story where he absolutely did not want a family and you begged and promised that you'd do everything forever no matter what, I cannot fathom a man saying that about his own children, and even if you HAD pushed him into it, it sounds like he has no attachment to them at all. He sounds appalling either way.

Secondly - is he self-employed or does he have a salaried job? Because if - fingers crossed - he is salaried, you could well find yourself financially better off WITHOUT him.

Have you ever sat down (okay, third question!) and worked out first what you would be entitled to in CMS and then what benefits you might get if you were a single adult household? www.entitledto.co.uk/

Wontletmeusemynormalname · 26/06/2024 10:21

Lostmymarbles0815 · 26/06/2024 09:23

he earns 3x of what I get. I get pip and child benefit. we pay equally but he has much more left over by the end of the month (whilst I rarely do). He holidays alone etc as he can afford but I cannot. stuff like that where we do things separately as we are not on equal footing. but on a day to day basis there isn't much difference.

He holidays alone, jeez that's a whole new level.

Does he contribute anything towards the kids?

I know separate finances work for some, but I don't get why when there's DC involved.

theeyeofdoe · 26/06/2024 10:24

You explain to him that you will pay half the bills when he does half the childcare.

CowTown · 26/06/2024 10:24

Then go off to work full time and leave him to pick up the pieces and attend the twice-weekly appointments.

0ysterCatcherCry · 26/06/2024 10:25

You should give this to your employer

Your other option is to ask for flexible working hours

https://www.gov.uk/time-off-for-dependants

fruitbrewhaha · 26/06/2024 10:27

Oh god he’s awful. There’s no use trying to negotiate with him. Leave him.

You mention your child has an undiagnosed MH illness. I can’t say for sure, but I am wondering if your DC would be better if not around your DH.

MyBreezyPombear · 26/06/2024 10:30

So basically the children are all your responsibility even though they are half his? You should have thought about work before having disabled children? He sounds awful OP and you'd be much better off without him.

Since you split things half and he wants to continue that then fair enough. They are half his so half the costs and the responsibility is his. He has to do half the hospital visits, half the costs of everything, half the looking after, half of absolutely everything.

poetryandwine · 26/06/2024 10:31

Hi, OP —

What a heartbreaking post. I am just here to urge you gently to follow up with those links posted by PP at 9.51

This disgrace in the guise of a man is a shell of a person. Please let Women’s Aid and other resources help you. Very best wishes

Lostmymarbles0815 · 26/06/2024 10:32

salaried and yes, they are his. no backstory.

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poetryandwine · 26/06/2024 10:34

Salaried is great news if you decide you are better off without him. Women’s Aid will explain. We think you can do it and will be glad you did

poetryandwine · 26/06/2024 10:34

But the choice is yours

FatfunandADHD · 26/06/2024 10:34

I have not read the full thread so apologies if this has already been covered. How long have you been with your employer for? I would not resign as if they wish to get rid of you they may negotiate a severance package which could be a small amount of money.

RiverF · 26/06/2024 10:34

Oh dear God. He's not going to change and even if you did manage to persuade him to support you a bit, you don't want to be dependent on him.

You've had some really good advice about the help available for you to leave. Please use it.

SlugGloves · 26/06/2024 10:35

Lostmymarbles0815 · 26/06/2024 09:27

@JoyApple he is not discussing it. Apparently, I should have considered how to support myself in case of having disabled children and being unable to work before having them and it's not his problem I didn't. he just swears and shouts and tells me to fuck off. you cannot talk to him.

Are they his children? 😮

cestlavielife · 26/06/2024 10:36

Go see your GP
Tell them everything
Ask for nhs counsellor referral urgently and referral to support service
You are in an abusive relationship
There is support out there which you need
See a Cab free lawyer on divorce and finance
You are effectively on your own anyway

OnTheRightSideOfGeography · 26/06/2024 10:36

You know how there are a lot of useless deadbeat dads out there who, after splitting from the mother of their child(ren), refuse to pay anything to support their children, because they see it as 'giving HER my money'? They will gladly spend their money on nice things for themselves - expensive cars, fancy clothes, holidays - whilst seeing their children go without the basics, because they are just utterly selfish and couldn't care less about their kids.

He's living like this already - except that he has the benefit (from his pov) of not having to pay to support his family whilst also not being liable to pay maintenance, because he is (technically) still together with you.

I think it speaks volumes when a parent actively does not want to spend time with their children, as they see it as their 'rest' time. Yes, we all need some downtime from relentless full-on parenting; but to see spending any time at all with your kids as a drudge? And going on holidays alone, whilst his children have to stay at home, as does his wife who is run ragged looking after them?

MN is full of stories of appalling men, but I can't remember reading of a more disgusting one than him for quite some time.

Junesuns · 26/06/2024 10:38

,

Boogiemam · 26/06/2024 10:41

Lostmymarbles0815 · 26/06/2024 09:23

he earns 3x of what I get. I get pip and child benefit. we pay equally but he has much more left over by the end of the month (whilst I rarely do). He holidays alone etc as he can afford but I cannot. stuff like that where we do things separately as we are not on equal footing. but on a day to day basis there isn't much difference.

This is just incredibly sad to read. You're a family unit, a team, and he isn't a team player. I think living alone without the resentment of having a husband who does nothing would vastly improve your mental health. Plus you'd be able to claim maintenance, benefits and qualify for single persons council tax so that would drop that cost a little. Plus any savings he has you'd be entitled to. I'd seriously look into leaving him, you deserve better and you do it all alone anyway physically.

SleepingStandingUp · 26/06/2024 10:41

Is change the DD details for anything in your name to the joint account and tell him that with carers, I can't afford anything except my own basic costs. But I'm not scared what his reaction will be. You are. You say you can't do it alone but what does he bring apart from half the bills and abuse?

Newposter180 · 26/06/2024 10:46

JoyApple · 26/06/2024 09:24

Have you spoken to him? What did he say?

Would he be open to you both going for some marriage counselling to sort this out? Is there anyone else perhaps that can explain to him.

My DH was like this and it took his father to tell him off for anything to change. Not suggesting you do that, but want to give you hope that people can change.

Maybe both of you go out somewhere nice together and honestly discuss it. Listen to his perspective and then you give yours. I'm sure you will come to a solution you're both happy with.

Your family situation is complex and very stressful for you all. This can hopefully have a positive end, don't give up.

I’m not sure they can just go for a nice meal and come to an arrangement they’re both happy with? This guy sounds like a monster. What kind of man keeps all the family money to go on holiday himself?!

Ubugly · 26/06/2024 10:49

Leave the pig then you will be entitled to UC etc and child maintenance from him.

Or tell him he he stay home and you will work full time.

ACynicalDad · 26/06/2024 10:50

Tell him the alternative is that he does the appointments.

Blankscreen · 26/06/2024 10:53

This is awful op.

No practical advice beyond what other have said, but you must be able to see that even your existing arrangement is totally unfair on you.

Working part time but having to pay half of the bills while he goes in holiday. WTAF.

He sounds horrendous.

I'd be inclined to say he should give up work and you work full time but you know he won't do that.

I actually think in this situation you would be better off without him.

Greydogs123 · 26/06/2024 10:54

You are being financially abused. Does he have any redeeming qualities? How much does he contribute practically to care of the children? Does he even like you?!

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