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Billy no mates at the book group WWYD?

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ColdGirlWinter · 06/06/2024 00:30

Sorry after reviewing just realised how long this is!

I'm in a book group which I've been in for about six years. It's held in a pub in a village not far from where I live but about 10 minutes drive, just under three miles away and we meet monthly. All women, all who live in this village and who all know each other. Nobody has ever been rude to me, and some of them are really nice. There was a 'queen bee' character but she wasn't unkind, that status was more to do with the fact I think she set it up, but she's moved away. Another has just moved away too, and there's always been a whipround when they've moved. One of them was 60 recently and we did that for her too.

One woman in particular I really like a lot. But they are all very tight knit and do lots together, in couples, all know one another's families well etc. That's fine, I don't want to join in all of that though I have been to a couple of quizzes in the past which was very good. Sometimes however I am not listened to and can't get a word in (not always when talking about the book, when it is general chat) and I feel as if I don't belong. The pub is the only one in the village and they all frequent it a lot.

Tonight was book group, and I was the person who selected the book. There's a group WhatsApp and it's quite active. A couple of the members were doing something else tonight and messaged to say they wouldn't be there, one saying she was really enjoying the book. Another (one of them who's moved away) messaged to say the same, gave her review and said how good it was. Another messaged to say she wouldn't be able to come as she was just leaving work. Nobody else (there would be another 4 besides me) messaged so I assumed they were coming and it was going ahead. So I turned up half an hour early so I could eat there first as I had just finished work too. Nobody else came. I messaged the group to say I was by myself, one (who'd already said she wasn't coming) sent an emoji 😥and asked if "someone can book for next month" but nobody else bothered.

Last month I couldn't get a word in edgewise and left thinking that if it didn't improve, I wouldn't come again. When we had a Christmas meal, I was the last to arrive (no berating for being late, I wasn't) and sat at the end of the table and wasn't really included in conversation.

I suggested the book so there would be something I could talk about a lot this time, and nobody came! I don't think it's personal in that they don't like me, more that they are so cliquey, but they're not nasty. I don't think I want to continue with this. I wish I hadn't wasted an hour and a half altogether travelling there, eating, then waiting around and going home irritated.

WWYD?

OP posts:
ColdGirlWinter · 07/06/2024 10:07

crockofshite · 06/06/2024 18:42

Did she say why she was leaving?

She said she didn't have much time to go anymore.

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Maverick197 · 07/06/2024 10:22

I know how you feel, these kinds of tight-knit groups can be impossible to break into! I joined a local women's running club and the group of 12 women all knew each other and had been running together for years and knew each others kids and husbands etc. All were nice enough towards me when I spoke to them individually, but as soon as they were in a bigger group they made no effort to try to make me feel included in their conversations or take an interest in me. I tried to ask questions and join conversations, I persevered for about 9 months, but it became clear that I was always going to be the odd one out. I just left the whatsapp group and stopped going, it felt like a relief.

I kept thinking that if I just keep at it they will eventually accept me as a part of the group, but it wasn't to be. In your case, you have persevered for so many years, I don't think you will ever be a part of the core group if it hasn't happened by now. Move on, life is too short to spend with people who don't take an interest in you!

ColdGirlWinter · 07/06/2024 10:39

@Maverick197 That's EXACTLY what happened here.

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crockofshite · 07/06/2024 10:39

ColdGirlWinter · 07/06/2024 10:07

She said she didn't have much time to go anymore.

thanks for the update. I wondered whether she was having the same problems connecting to the group as you. Perhaps she was and just didn't want to say so.

ColdGirlWinter · 07/06/2024 10:43

crockofshite · 07/06/2024 10:39

thanks for the update. I wondered whether she was having the same problems connecting to the group as you. Perhaps she was and just didn't want to say so.

I'm not sure on that one because she had been around much longer than me. There was a young mum joined towards the end of last year though, and we haven't seen her since Christmas, but though she is still on the WhatsApp she's never posted anything or come back.

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Zonder · 07/06/2024 10:47

Have you left the WA group now? It would be so interesting to see if any of them contact you.

crockofshite · 07/06/2024 10:51

I have to say, book groups can be a nightmare or they can be a lovely enjoyable experience.

I've belonged to a few over the years, and am very happy with the current group of casual acquaintances who meet at homes about once a month. We have pleasant chats about books and other things. Very relaxed, no pressure, mixed men and women, drinks and nibbles, there is an easy going organiser who just sends out the reminders.

Others I've attended have ranged from a library groups where the librarian running it embraced his inner school teacher, a very cliquey pseudo-intellectual group who talked the same word-salad bollocks for each book, a library group where queen bee demanded silence if anyone was talking and we had to go round the table in turn, and one where we met in a pub but the organisers just weren't very nice and made it an unpleasant experience.

It's a bloody minefield, but there is something for everyone.

ColdGirlWinter · 07/06/2024 10:53

I haven't @Zonder no not yet as I want to see if anyone does and I didn't want it looking like a flounce. Also, I'd rather they think I just forgot about them!

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Zonder · 07/06/2024 11:05

I would do the same.

LarkLane · 07/06/2024 12:09

I know all about air fryers though from my "friendship" group after a random man monologued to me about them. For an hour an a half. Along with pictures of meals he had cooked over the previous fortnight.
I haven't even got an air fryer.
That was my only conversation as I nursed my tea and smiled weakly, weekly.
Free at last.

WhatNoRaisins · 07/06/2024 12:58

I don't get why some of these groups don't just stick to a closed WhatsApp or something and stop advertising themselves as a group for new people to join.

Dery · 07/06/2024 17:23

@ColdGirlWinter - not sure if anyone else has answered but I’ve read the Night Circus and really enjoyed it. Interesting ideas and themes. Quite magical-realism-ish (am sure you will find better words to describe it once you’ve read it). Have fun with your new club.

I have a hunch that you will have a much better time with this new group and you will actually come to be glad that everyone let you down this week and propelled you into finding a friendlier, more interesting book club!

IhateBegonias · 07/06/2024 18:16

Congratulations on your book! 🎉🎉🎉
I write children’s fiction. Trying to get a full length novel published

Noodles1234 · 07/06/2024 18:16

That’s quite heartless of them, I doubt it’s personal, as you say just cliquey.

I am never sure about book clubs, I joined one but also found it cliquey, full of well established friends.

OldPerson · 07/06/2024 18:45

They're comfortable. They're just not that in to you.

If you are an active mum, your life revolves around your kids, who your kids are friends with, what challenges and goals they're facing.

Seriously, I have "people", where we recommend dramas and films to each other.

It's entertainment. It's a nice to have.

Like books, it's not a shared activity.

Just why are you a member of a book club? Which people do you tell that you're a member of a book club?

wasdarknowblond · 07/06/2024 18:50

I have that problem with a group I’m friends with. They all live in town and I live 9 miles away. When I’m with them I often feel very left out and one (bitchy) person, seems to delight in engineering some of this. It’s very hurtful so now I’ve decided to let them go - if I see them I’ll join in but not going to put myself out any more as feel I’ve had enough of it and I’m worth more than that.

bellocchild · 07/06/2024 18:52

Sometimes people can't come to an event - but they should tell you (and/or the organiser) that they won't be there. Something similar happened to me at a daytime French class on Zoom, yesterday. The course was on Revolutions in France, and there are normally five of us, who listen, comment, and discuss the subject (in French!). Yesterday there were three apologies and the fourth person stuck in traffic. The teacher went ahead and it was really interesting - it always is! - but extremely hard work!

Playinwithfire · 07/06/2024 19:00

Sorry OP but this is NASTY and they don't seem like very nice inclusive people!

Jeannie88 · 07/06/2024 19:07

Look for other groups, this one sounds awful! X

VeneziaJ · 07/06/2024 19:55

This type of thing happens to me too 😳 I just decide these are not my tribe and move on. I would advise the same as they all sound very self absorbed and thoughtless!

TypingoftheDead · 07/06/2024 20:15

I wouldn’t stay, I’ve been in similar situations (thankfully, much shorter term) and it didn’t do my mental health any good. It just comes across as rude, especially being from a group that is open to potential new members. Like a PP said, what’s the point if they are that cliquey and don’t even notice anyone outside that?

TizerorFizz · 07/06/2024 21:05

It’s like some U3A groups though. They are not really open to new members. They just say they are. Or they choose the new members and say they are full, so stopping anyone else joining. You do find a genuine one eventually but books are likely to attract some intellectual types. They will let you know they are, very quickly. I would find the pressure of a book group daunting.

shehasglasses48 · 07/06/2024 21:53

I wouldn’t say anything further. You’ve been a very genuine person but I would look for another group and just leave this one behind x

Namedrop000 · 07/06/2024 22:06

I'm really sorry that happened. I'd honestly just leave soon. Maybe just drop them a light message in a few weeks saying sorry you can't make it any more. Try to find a new club. Six years is a long time to not have any real connections in a group. It's totally OK to just quit if you're not feeling something!

I joined a triathlon club a couple of years ago and recently quit for similar reasons. The people were nice enough, but most of the members were a bit older than me and knew each other quite well through their kids and families etc. (I'm in my early 30s, no kids). I just sort of realised I felt really alone at training sessions and would be standing around with nobody to talk to/nobody wanted to partner up with me for drills. I've had a few of my WhatsApp group questions/posts totally ignored too. Sure, I'm an introvert, but friendly, and usually make friends OK. I got ejected from the WhatsApp group earlier this week after quitting, and it was weirdly liberating!

Currygirl · 07/06/2024 22:50

I'd phone the pub & cancel the table. Then I'd turn up on said night with a friend for food & watch them squirm when they realise they don't have a booking/table