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Anyone else have a partner who volunteers them without discussion?

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wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

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NewName24 · 04/06/2024 21:41

By saying no and meaning it.
Including, if he says it in front of other people.

It seems you have said no this time, but I get the impression from your OP that previously, you have done whatever it is he has promised you will do.

TruthorDie · 04/06/2024 21:46

Yes, my ex husband. I got sick of being treated as general dogsbody and responsible for all of the grunt work e.g. collecting his relation from the airport, hosting his relations for 3 weeks + (see any theme?!). This debate kicked off an epic row that ended my first marriage and l never looked back. It was a combination of laziness, lack of respect towards me and selfishness by him

BuggeryBumFlaps · 04/06/2024 21:47

Just keep saying no.

Flyers - no
Press releases - no
Car park attendant - no (I'd even say no in front of other people, fuck what they think)
Weekend help at the event - no

You've made it perfectly clear where you stand on this. You also need downtime on a weekend and evening, not to be working or at his beck and call

ZenNudist · 04/06/2024 21:48

Just don't do it. Keep not doing it. Say no. He really doesn't respect you. After you've let him down a few more times he might get the message.

In front of people I'd be very clear. I am not doing that. If you volunteer me it will not happen. Its not a priority of mine. I have repeatedly asked you not to volunteer me for the shit work other people won't do. No no no. No!

Spirallingdownwards · 04/06/2024 21:48

Agree just say no

Also say when I retire I may also decide tk volunteer but I may also not. But I am certainly not whilst I am still working.

If he volunteers you in front of others speak up and say No I can't take that on at the moment and bat it back.

His retirement hobby is not down to you. Keep saying it and it may sink in.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 04/06/2024 21:48

Absolutely say “ no I can’t do that “ in front if other people. They won’t care or give it another thought - but hopefully he’ll look like a twat and will stop asking.
And tell him to stop talking to you as if you are staff or you’ll be going on strike.

AloeVerity · 04/06/2024 21:52

Who made him your boss? I would be livid at the work call interruption! That alone would have been a huge row, let alone treating you like the office junior. Does he have some form of dementia? He’s not behaving like a rational person at all!

LifeExperience · 04/06/2024 22:19

He's retired, bored, selfish, self-centered and unreasonable. You're not his lackey. Refuse to have ANYTHING to do with his various projects and stick to it.

Shinyandnew1 · 04/06/2024 22:30

Spirallingdownwards · 04/06/2024 21:48

Agree just say no

Also say when I retire I may also decide tk volunteer but I may also not. But I am certainly not whilst I am still working.

If he volunteers you in front of others speak up and say No I can't take that on at the moment and bat it back.

His retirement hobby is not down to you. Keep saying it and it may sink in.

This.

How many times have you said no but then done it in the end? Just say no.

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 22:33

I've said no, no, no, no time and time again. He eventually, in desperation, asked one of his former colleagues to produce a poster as a favour for him. On previous occasions when I've said no I've had phone calls from other volunteers asking me when I'll have produced posters/ flyers or whatever. I think he gets them to phone in the hope it'll guilt trip me. I've said no very firmly this evening.

Of course he hasn't got dementia. He's been used to running major complex public events with a team of specialists at his command. He's used to asking colleagues to do things and they do it because it's their job. He doesn't know how to get the same results with volunteers who may not have relevant skills.

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Shinyandnew1 · 04/06/2024 22:58

On previous occasions when I've said no I've had phone calls from other volunteers asking me when I'll have produced posters/ flyers or whatever. I think he gets them to phone in the hope it'll guilt trip me.

Did you tell the volunteers that you weren’t doing the posters etc in the past when they’d phoned?

candycane222 · 04/06/2024 23:08

Bloody hell he really needs someone to wobble his head and hard! He cannot seem to see you as a person at all! Plus emotional blackmail in the mix "oh but we're a team" "oh it's to make me still look like the bug shot for charideeee" "oh if you really loved me you'd do it"

Maybe tell him he's putting some shelves up for your friend Elaine then taking a look at a blocked loo for elderly Gavin down the road and then mowing the churchyard because after all he's retired and has all the time in the world for these good works.

LadyLapsang · 04/06/2024 23:09

Don’t waste your breath arguing. If he tries to guilt trip you, just tell people you are still working full time unlike Mr Wiz who appears to be experiencing problems adapting to retirement and the understanding that these days he isn’t anymore’s boss.

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 23:10

Did you tell the volunteers that you weren’t doing the posters etc in the past when they’d phoned?

Yes, I have and they have been 'But John said you'll have them done by Thursday' and I've had to explain that John didn't consult me before committing me and that it's not possible. And then they get upset and huffy and have long conversations with me about what are they supposed to do if there are no posters and I have to explain that I'm not part of this project and they're going to have to sort this out between them...

Now bear in mind some of these people are our neighbours, some are friends, most of them are people I'll bump into at some point in the shop or out walking or in our little local library (which was one of the causes he held a fundraiser for). Word is already getting round that I'm the mean bitch who won't throw a poster together to help raise money for the local library.* I've already been told that people are talking about our marriage, because he's so fantastic and does such good work and I'm so grudging.

*making a good poster that's eye-catching and gets all the relevant information across is more complicated than it looks. And once I've designed it and created images for it we're talking 3-4 hours. Once it's approved (the volunteers can be very picky and require changes) it's also my job to send it off to be printed up and delivered. Apparently.

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determinedtomakethiswork · 04/06/2024 23:21

So he volunteers you for jobs and gets the credit for being a nice guy?

ABirdsEyeView · 04/06/2024 23:25

He's getting all the glory while offloading all the grunt work onto you - he's not great at all, or generous, regardless of the impression he's falsely giving to other people! It's easy to be generous with someone else's time.

You need to start being honest with other people - tell them the truth about how he's constantly volunteering you for projects, without consultation and unlike him, you still have a ft job! Let them know that he isn't mr wonderful behind the scenes!

As for him, I'd be really fucking blunt and tell harm to stop this shit right now, or he'll be spending retirement as a divorced man. It's so very very rude, disrespectful and selfish!

Mostly, you have to mean it when you say no. It doesn't matter what the neighbours think. You can push back on them in a polite way, where you say that your husband didn't ask you first and sadly you are too busy and they'll have to get back to him. But if you end up giving in, he'll continue to do what he's doing.

Remember, charity begins at home. It's all very well him looking good to outsiders but it's his attitude to you which matters.

LadyLapsang · 04/06/2024 23:26

I think you are going to have to stop worrying so much about what people think. I would point out to him that maybe people will become concerned for his cognitive function if he is getting confused or doesn’t know what has been agreed.

ABirdsEyeView · 04/06/2024 23:30

Nothing more annoying than do goodies imo. Remember that they are going all this because it makes the feel good, not because they are intrinsically better people. Your husband doesn't really give a fuck about the charity, he's just bored and used to feeling important. But he doesn't want to actually do the work - that's for the little people, like you, whose lives and jobs aren't important to him.
Honestly you need to shut that shit down pronto.

Mmhmmn · 04/06/2024 23:31

Very disrespectful of him to volunteer you for this stuff.
In future just don’t do it. Do not do it.
Don’t justify, don’t explain. Just tell him you’re not his employee and you will not do it.

Blinkingmarvellous · 04/06/2024 23:32

In all seriousness maybe he needs to go back to work. Perhaps just s little part time consultancy project? After that it would be helpful if he could redirect his energy to volunteer as part of a group rather than feeling that he has to run it all and achieve great results. Your local volunteer agency may have some useful courses - things like asset based community development- which would help him to move away from the corporate mindset. And in the meantime it's absolutely not your fault and I'm not surprised you're upset. Underneath it all is a bloke who may be finding retirement harder than he is letting on.

Sweetandsaltycaroline · 04/06/2024 23:36

My DH volunteered for a role at his sports club thst was so far away from his skillset it was ridiculous. He usually got me and teen DD to write newsletter entries and reports. Teen charged him every time and it was taken as a given that I'd help at bbqs, charity events etc.

I did it for years and gave up loads of my time to do it but (thank god) he's stepped down from the position now and I barely set foot in the club, except if I'm going to get a drink at the bar.

PurpleBugz · 04/06/2024 23:37

When others ask you say you are really busy with work and have told oh you can't do it. Stress the fact you work and don't have time.

I would go visit family or friends every time there is an event he's organised so you can't get roped in on the day.

I would be out and not attending the meetings where they plan it. If other people ask you always say unfortunately you don't have time you are snowed under working and keeping house etc etc. Twist it back- you are not the selfish cow who won't help charity they are the thoughtless people not considering how busy you are (obviously don't word it that way but make it so that's the conclusion they have to draw from interacting with you).

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 23:44

Sweetandsaltycaroline · 04/06/2024 23:36

My DH volunteered for a role at his sports club thst was so far away from his skillset it was ridiculous. He usually got me and teen DD to write newsletter entries and reports. Teen charged him every time and it was taken as a given that I'd help at bbqs, charity events etc.

I did it for years and gave up loads of my time to do it but (thank god) he's stepped down from the position now and I barely set foot in the club, except if I'm going to get a drink at the bar.

You have my sympathy. It's hard, isn't it? I have another friend whose husband decided to compete in triathlon. He needs someone around to manage the logistics and she's spent the last few years standing waiting for hours while he does his thing, then driving him home when he's exhausted.

A previous poster said it was all about making him feel like the big man. I don't think it is. I think it's more that someone got him involved because they knew what he did and when he does something in this line he likes to do it well and make it look professional.

I think the suggestion to get him more professionally involved with the CVS or whatever is inspired. Thank you.

There was another suggestion that I diss him to the others on his team who don't understand the dynamics of what's going on. Absolutely not. There's more than enough gossip going round locally as it is. I really don't want to give the rumour-mongers anything to chew on.

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BreadInCaptivity · 04/06/2024 23:52

He's stealing from you twice over.

Your time and your local reputation.

In both cases he is the beneficiary at your expense.

Twisting it because "it's for charity" doesn't cut it.

How would he feel if you told him he would be donating hundreds of pounds (maybe thousands given the effort/time/skill set) out of his assets (and your skills are an asset) without any consultation to a charity of your choice in your name (so you get the credit)? That is what he is doing.

If he wants to do this in his retirement then good on him. But it's not your project/problem.

This would be a hill to die on for me. I'd be making very clear that if he continues to try and destroy my local reputation to fuel his own he will be spending the rest of his retirement alone, because I would not be spending mine (in time) in a community he's poisoned against me.

MO2BB · 04/06/2024 23:55

Could you delegate the tasks he gives you to his team members? As they reserve the right to nit pick your posters and flyers, they know what specifically is required. Firmly and confidently pass the buck every time.
If he volunteers you in public, laugh heartily and say no. Ignore any reactions from bystanders if there are any. Don’t waver. Ever. Better still, swerve the event.
As chief organiser, any unfilled role is automatically his, not yours.
Constantly remind him that you’re not employed by him.
Stand firm tonight and continue to do so until he gets the message.
This is his activity - not yours.

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