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Anyone else have a partner who volunteers them without discussion?

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wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

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IHateWasps · 05/06/2024 08:38

I wonder how many marriages voluntary work destroys?

It’s selfish people who destroy marriages not voluntary work or golf, cycling, football etc. it’s perfectly possible to enjoy any of the above without having it take over your life and try to have it take over your spouse’s too.

PuppyMonkey · 05/06/2024 08:45

I feel your pain OP. Ex journo here and the amount of times I’ve helped DP with one of his projects - just knocked up a press release and sent it out etc etc. I now work at a print and publishing company where one of the things we do is design posters and flyers etc, so it continues… except now I tell him, that’s great, company charges £xx for the first half hour of design and £xxx thereafter. That soon puts him off.Grin

rookiemere · 05/06/2024 08:46

Some space this morning is good.
I would sit him down and have a calm talk when he gets back - if you're not still working Grin.
"Hubby I'm so glad that you have hobbies and interests to fill your days and support the local community.

We are a team, and I want us to support each other. I will support you by being proud of your endeavours, you can support me by recognising that I am still working and my priority is my job which I love and earn family income from, and by recognising that my time is mine to give and mine alone.

If you want my help on your charity projects, I need you to ask not tell. I can then decide if it's something I have time or desire to do. Does that seem reasonable to you ?"

IHateWasps · 05/06/2024 08:49

The final straw was when he volunteered me to make two 80’ glider wing covers for his flying club.
i was incandescent when our ‘trip out for coffee’ was to the flying field for me to measure them up 🤬
He thought I was being very unreasonable.

I’d have truly lost my shit. If you let him live then I’m in awe of your patience and tolerance.

wizardofsoz · 05/06/2024 09:24

DaffydownClock · 05/06/2024 08:11

My sympathies OP, my DH was like this despite the fact that I worked 50 hour weeks and he did sweet fa at home.
The final straw was when he volunteered me to make two 80’ glider wing covers for his flying club.
i was incandescent when our ‘trip out for coffee’ was to the flying field for me to measure them up 🤬
He thought I was being very unreasonable.

You get the prize for most thoughtless husband. OMG. I'm at least lucky in that Mr Wiz does a lot at home.

Must remind him of Canva and suggest his volunteers play with it.

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ABirdsEyeView · 05/06/2024 09:31

OP, you aren't lucky that your husband helps at home - he absolutely should be contributing to his own house and child etc. That other men don't is a failing on their part, I think you need to reframe how you think about his contributions - that aren't a favour to you, they are what you should reasonably expect. Him having pulled his weight over the years doesn't mean you owe him your time with his hobby. It's a totally different scenario to being flexible at home so your partner can work.

Keepthosenamesgoing · 05/06/2024 09:43

rookiemere · 05/06/2024 08:46

Some space this morning is good.
I would sit him down and have a calm talk when he gets back - if you're not still working Grin.
"Hubby I'm so glad that you have hobbies and interests to fill your days and support the local community.

We are a team, and I want us to support each other. I will support you by being proud of your endeavours, you can support me by recognising that I am still working and my priority is my job which I love and earn family income from, and by recognising that my time is mine to give and mine alone.

If you want my help on your charity projects, I need you to ask not tell. I can then decide if it's something I have time or desire to do. Does that seem reasonable to you ?"

Very nicely put

wizardofsoz · 05/06/2024 09:43

I said I was lucky that Mr Wiz does a lot at home because the poster I was responding to has a husband who did nothing. I was comparing our situations and saying I was the lucky one ie I wasn't married to a lazy git.

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Snappers3 · 05/06/2024 10:09

OP, you are married a long time indeed, I am of a similar length.
Do you think many women would burst into their husbands office while he is on a call roaring a question at them?
He has made a holy show of himself and if I was listening I would be privately concerned for you.

His refusing to hear and accept your boundary is awful.
This will continue for as long as you are prepared to tolerate it.
Him speaking poorly about you locally is so distasteful.
So disloyal.....and you csn be sure many will think so.
I can only think their must be a bit of the "boiled frog analogy" going on here for you not to see how really off this is.
Hold the line or this is your future.

RubyBeaker · 05/06/2024 10:23

I have had this kind of experience with my DH. ADHD implusive offers without actually thinking for the most part. Trying to be the good guy at my effort. The only way through it is to say no and stick to it.

The best one was when he wanted to tie up my home with people (he and I had never met) for three weeks when I was due to have a baby. He was just trying to be helpful. I told him it was so 'helpful' to me, that I was moving out with the children for the three weeks and, if the baby came (home birth), it would be born at my parents' two hours away, hope he made it. Having to cancel the invitation was so painful for him that he never did that one again. I did nothing to relieve his discomfort. He created the situation, he can fix it.

Now I just say, "Are you making unilateral decisions again?" when he starts talking about things that he really needs to talk to me about.

LemonCitron · 05/06/2024 10:32

I think @RubyBeaker has hit the nail on the head. At the moment his offers are causing you discomfort, not him. You are having to be the bad guy. Next time someone phones to ask where the flyers are, maybe instead of saying No I haven't done them, you say, I'm working right now, John was going to sort this out, let me pass the phone to him. Make him be the one to deal with the problem.

Daleksatemyshed · 05/06/2024 10:39

He needs to be reminded Op that all his time is free so he can volunteer, indulge his hobbies and still have time on his hands. You work and your limited free time is precious, spending half your Sunday on his posters is too much.
I'd also tell him a DH of all those years should put his wife first and not go around letting people bad mouth her, especially when it's all his fault.

BusyMummy001 · 05/06/2024 10:49

Is he like this in other areas of your life? You mentioned that he yells over your client calls, so does his behaviour link into who does the housework/ gardening, holiday planning, etc? You mention he used to be senior, used to have a team of specialists etc as though this somehow offsets his total disrespect for your job or that this excuses his, frankly, appalling behaviour. It doesn’t. And I would hazard a guess that his staff also found his attitude difficult to put up with.

I’d have to question whether there is more amiss than just this because, if my DH had humiliated me time and time again with the volunteers/neighbours - I would actually give him an ultimatum: the next time you do this I will file for divorce. It is bullying, coercive and abusive behaviour.

Bananabreadandstrawberries · 05/06/2024 10:50

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 23:44

You have my sympathy. It's hard, isn't it? I have another friend whose husband decided to compete in triathlon. He needs someone around to manage the logistics and she's spent the last few years standing waiting for hours while he does his thing, then driving him home when he's exhausted.

A previous poster said it was all about making him feel like the big man. I don't think it is. I think it's more that someone got him involved because they knew what he did and when he does something in this line he likes to do it well and make it look professional.

I think the suggestion to get him more professionally involved with the CVS or whatever is inspired. Thank you.

There was another suggestion that I diss him to the others on his team who don't understand the dynamics of what's going on. Absolutely not. There's more than enough gossip going round locally as it is. I really don't want to give the rumour-mongers anything to chew on.

So sorry OP your husband sounds infuriating.

I don’t have much advice but my one tip would be: stop working from home!! Go into the office every day, or find a workspace eg cafe/library so that he doesn’t see you at home during work hours at least.

That might make it more clear to him that you are actually at work!

NasiDagang · 05/06/2024 10:56

Posters like this make me realise how lucky I am to be single. The days of bullying and shouting husbands are long gone, so peaceful at home. It's like paradise.

OuijaBoard · 05/06/2024 11:30

There's more than enough gossip going round locally as it is. I really don't want to give the rumour-mongers anything to chew on.

It sounds like his behaviour is the primary cause of this gossip, though, and if anything it is having a positive impact on him (people feel sorry for him) and a negative one on you (people blame you or think you're unsupportinve, selfish, unreliable, even bitchy). I know you've been married for a long time and the unacceptable behaviour from your husband is something relatively new and apparently triggered by his retirement, and I know you don't want to think badly of him - but from everything you've written here I'd strongly suspect that he knows what's going on and is using this factor as a way to guilt trip and manipulate you.

Does it not bother him at all that his behaviour is interfering with your work and causing you considerable distress? Did he even apologise for interrupting your work call? It's a common problem for family members not familiar with telecommuting to overstep the boundaries of the family member working from home until it's clearly pointed out to them that the home office is a workplace just like any other (I have a "do not disturb" sign I put on my home office door, a legacy from when small children didn't always remember this) - but if he won't respect your need to maintain boundaries when WFH even after you've explained it clearly, then I'm afraid he really doesn't respect you as much as he respects, well, himself. And that's a real problem.

GOTBrienne · 05/06/2024 12:01

I’d look and see what courses are available. My local uni does summer courses, including one in graphics. He has the time to skill himself up.

DH once invited a family member to come live with us for the summer without consulting me. Luckily they said no. He thought it would be great as ‘we’ could look after them and feed them nice meals and take them on day trips. He works long hours and can’t cook. I would have freaked out if he had said yes and left to go away on holiday and left them to it.

pikkumyy77 · 05/06/2024 12:31

I hope you can work it out with him, OP.

I think its somewhat more serious—or takes more serious handling--than you yet realize. He needs/wants admiration from your neighbors and needs you as an admiring, sacrificial, helpmeet to get it. If you deny him he experiences it as an attack on him. The sulking, shouting, withdrawal are sll because he can’t tolerate the shame of not being able to commandeer your time and attention.

The situation is extremely toxic and its not going to self correct. He has to recognize its a problem and has to be willing to accept the responsibility for managing his new commitments without exploiting you or attacking or guilting you.

I would sit him down and say, directly, that his treatment of you is disrespectful and will lead to a degradation of your relationship if he doesn’t change his pattern. Tell him your work time is sacred and your personal time is too. If he wants to romance you or take you out for a weekend thats fine. But if he wants your labour thats not.

RetroTotty · 05/06/2024 12:34

It all sounds very Joanna Trollope. I wonder what her last chapter to the saga would be!

GerbilsForever24 · 05/06/2024 12:40

As someone who has also been roped into this sort of thing (albeit not by DH), I think part of it is a lack of respect for these tasks - people know they can't do them themselves but, for some reason, they also think they are EASY so they can't undertand why you can't take 15 minutes to knock something up.

DH actually came up against this in a major way a few years ago. He has a specialist skill set, also creative. He offered to help with a PTA related activity where his sklls would be used. Was quite happy to spend the time. BUT... they started treating him like a poorly performing employee. He did the initial work (with the team) at our house one evening. Then started getting text messages and whatsapps asking when it would be done as they needed it by that night - it was an 8 hour job!!!!! But I think they all just thought it was a quick 20 minute thing he should have done after they'd all left (having been at our house for 3 hours).

BitterAndTwistedClub · 05/06/2024 12:42

Sometimes it good that people think you’re that mean bitch. It keeps them at arm’s length. If they believe it they are absolutely the type to avoid. Keep saying NO and fuck them all. Nobody will help you if your own work starts to suffer. Makes my blood boil!!

SheilaFentiman · 05/06/2024 12:48

As someone who has also been roped into this sort of thing (albeit not by DH), I think part of it is a lack of respect for these tasks - people know they can't do them themselves but, for some reason, they also think they are EASY so they can't undertand why you can't take 15 minutes to knock something up.

This is very true

beergiggles · 05/06/2024 12:49

I wouldn't bother with all that sitting him down and talking to him. I would make vague noises that I was going to do it and then I would completely fail to do it. And if that made him look a complete fool all the better🤷🏼‍♀️
If he mentioned it say oh I forgot and change the subject

J0S · 05/06/2024 12:49

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 22:33

I've said no, no, no, no time and time again. He eventually, in desperation, asked one of his former colleagues to produce a poster as a favour for him. On previous occasions when I've said no I've had phone calls from other volunteers asking me when I'll have produced posters/ flyers or whatever. I think he gets them to phone in the hope it'll guilt trip me. I've said no very firmly this evening.

Of course he hasn't got dementia. He's been used to running major complex public events with a team of specialists at his command. He's used to asking colleagues to do things and they do it because it's their job. He doesn't know how to get the same results with volunteers who may not have relevant skills.

Recruiting and training a team who don’t have the skills yet is a whole new thing he needs to learn. As is working with volunteers.

Its a development area for him, not you.

He’s behaving very badly. Using volunteers to try and manipulate / guilt trip how own wife is very disrespectful to you both.

Lying to his team is not ok.

Making commitments for you is not ok, especially when you have been so clear that he has never to do this again.

I know his excuse is “ it’s for charity “ but it’s actually about his own ego. That’s a him problem , not a you problem.

rookiemere · 05/06/2024 13:33

Rereading one of your earlier posts, I suspect this is very much about adjustment to retirement.

I am betting whilst you both worked, although he stepped up when required there was an air of his job being more important. If he was the bigger earner, it's probably a bit of a blow to his world view that he now brings in less money than you do.

Ergo these charity vanity projects are more important than your work and the shouting at you whilst you were actually working and getting paid was his subconscious attempt to get back to the status quo.

I'm not sure I would say any of that to be honest, but pointing him in the direction of the rotary club is good. For this current project I would offer to show someone how to use the system you talked about but let him and everyone else know that's all you can offer as so terribly busy at work, but you wish them every success.

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