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Anyone else have a partner who volunteers them without discussion?

332 replies

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

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BreadInCaptivity · 04/06/2024 23:55

To add, if he wants to volunteer then good on him but he needs to find an outlet that encompasses the skills he has without you playing back up when working.

Hysteroscopyhell · 05/06/2024 00:00

Don't reward his bad behaviour. No has to mean no, NEVER cave in and do it. Don't get into discussions either, say no and walk away or out of the house if you need to. And put a lock on your office door and use it.

Snappers3 · 05/06/2024 00:00

For a long marriage, this sounds toxic.
He has a deep and profound disrespect for you, your career, your time.

If you had boundaries in your marriage this wouldn't happen twice.
Pack up and start leaving any time he has an event on. Go and visit someone.

He is making a holy show of your relationship publicly by his attempts to bully you.

I would be apoplectic at the disrespect and would get the ick.

Do not give in. He is a CF.

Aquamarine1029 · 05/06/2024 00:03

Are you saying only since he retired has this shocking lack of respect and consideration for you reared it's ugly head?

I find that hard to believe.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 05/06/2024 00:05

God I'm with everybody else. He sounds absolutely awful. Just say no. Keep saying no. Always be unavailable every time a volunteer asks you when something is going to be delivered. State you weren't consulted and have no idea what they are talking about. If you attend a meeting and anything comes in your direction just say no, I'm not available; i'm busy. I think you are wavering on this and if you waver, the crack will show and he will be in. I agree with others, this is not a healthy relationship.

EKGEMS · 05/06/2024 00:20

I'd make sure you have a sturdy lock on your office door to keep your idiot husband out

BreadInCaptivity · 05/06/2024 00:34

Snappers3 · 05/06/2024 00:00

For a long marriage, this sounds toxic.
He has a deep and profound disrespect for you, your career, your time.

If you had boundaries in your marriage this wouldn't happen twice.
Pack up and start leaving any time he has an event on. Go and visit someone.

He is making a holy show of your relationship publicly by his attempts to bully you.

I would be apoplectic at the disrespect and would get the ick.

Do not give in. He is a CF.

Edited

There is a flip to this.

We are talking about a 30 year marriage here and given the OP has not suggested otherwise it's only until now that this has been an issue.

I'm not excusing his behaviour (see my pp's) nor would I tolerate it, but I think it's worth being somewhat measured here.

Retirement is a huge change for many people and not everyone transitions into it as well as you might imagine.

Things can be more complex where one person retires before the other.

He is probably trying to find a new purpose in life but doing it badly. Watching some former professionals trying to retire can be a bit like watching a teen trying to do adulting for the first time 😂.

Like that teen he needs firm boundaries, guidance and some tough love.

He's not a bad person from what the OP has posted, he's just navigating a new stage in life and making a hash of it but can't admit that - possibly even to himself at this point.

Voluntarily working is a good thing.

He just needs to find a role that he can fulfil himself without stealing time/effort/skills from the OP.

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 05/06/2024 00:53

My dh is 10 years older than me and l am dreading him retiring even more than l already was after reading this!!

Commonsenseisnotsocommon · 05/06/2024 01:59

Sod that! Keep on saying no and also make sure you attend any meetings he has and say no in front of everyone else. You are not free labour for his little hobby and the days of the little woman doing as was requested have long gone. You've got enough of your own commitments to deal with. He sounds like a selfish virtue signaller, don't be bullied and coreced into action by him anymore.

fluffiphlox · 05/06/2024 02:15

I’m in your position in that I still do some work while the husbo is retired. I’d have his guts for garters if he did this and he knows it. What an inconsiderate arsehole. Stick to your guns. Divorce him if necessary. Seriously. He disrespects you and your time.
Edited to add that we’ve been married nearly 40 years.

Codlingmoths · 05/06/2024 02:27

Put a sign up on your office/study door. ‘I don’t work for you and will Not. Be. Responsible for any commitments you make on my behalf.

this would drive me so insane, my dh wound have stopped because I’d have volunteered him for 7 days a week of utter crap. Clearing the neighbors garden- shes EIGHTY John, she can hardly do it herself!! I said you would do it, don’t embarrass me; and how can you let her down like that??!

he would get it very very clearly.

Flopsythebunny · 05/06/2024 04:19

My ex husband volunteered me to do the catering for free for one of his gym friends daughter's 18th birthday party knowing full well I had a girls weekend away booked and paid for. He thought that I'd cancel the weekend away, give up my time for free and spend my money buying the food for said party .
I went away as planned on the Friday and his friends, who I didnt even know had less than 24 hours to sort party food out.
He said that I'd embarrassed him and I should have just done as I was told. He made out to them that I was the bad guy

decionsdecisions62 · 05/06/2024 04:57

He doesn't respect your time as much as his own.

My DH doesn't do this ( only because he works) but recently he told a neighbour'we' would look after their dog whilst he goes away. The problem being it's landed on me as I work from home.

The bloody thing pissed everywhere and constantly barked. One day I let it piss on his overalls. He won't be volunteering again!

Do a very bad poster job. You won't be asked again.

Sceptical123 · 05/06/2024 05:03

candycane222 · 04/06/2024 23:08

Bloody hell he really needs someone to wobble his head and hard! He cannot seem to see you as a person at all! Plus emotional blackmail in the mix "oh but we're a team" "oh it's to make me still look like the bug shot for charideeee" "oh if you really loved me you'd do it"

Maybe tell him he's putting some shelves up for your friend Elaine then taking a look at a blocked loo for elderly Gavin down the road and then mowing the churchyard because after all he's retired and has all the time in the world for these good works.

I was going to say - absolutely volunteer HIM. If he says but you’re not willing to charity work (for him) you can remind him of the dozens of times you have, now it’s his turn.

Lurkingandlearning · 05/06/2024 05:41

This might seem small and pedantic but every time he says you are a team say, “We are not. We are an equal partnership. Our needs and wants are of equal importance so you wanting me to participate in your projects does not override my refusal.”

Teams always have captains and managers and clearly that is what he’s decided he is. Tell him he’s not.

If you can put a lock on the door to your office until he learns not to burst into your work place demanding your attention for what is basically his retirement hobby.

A long time ago there used to be transition courses for retirees. If they are still available one of those might help him realise that treating you like staff is crap.

I hope you can get through to him soon. He sounds insufferable. I felt myself tensing just reading your post so I can imagine how you’re feeling

Eviebeans · 05/06/2024 05:49

Tell him very clearly that it is his "thing" - he has started it off and he obviously feels that he has the time for it whereas you don't. Make it clear that you're just not interested in whatever project it is.
Don't attend the event - if you do go buy a ticket so you're one of the punters and clearly not a helper
Tell him to go back to work if he is bored and needs people to manage.

Shoxfordian · 05/06/2024 06:20

You're going to have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable and potentially looking like the bad guy locally but don't worry about what anyone thinks.

Tell him in one more clear conversation that you're not his employee, you're not doing any of this work ever and if he volunteers you again then you'll start seriously considering divorce

SheilaFentiman · 05/06/2024 06:39

This might seem small and pedantic but every time he says you are a team say, “We are not. We are an equal partnership. Our needs and wants are of equal importance so you wanting me to participate in your projects does not override my refusal.”

Perfect.

And if one of the volunteers calls you, you also need a grey rock phrase. “No, I’m busy with work, I told John that, he must have misunderstood. Appreciate it will be tricky but I’m sure you’ll do a great job. Must go, I’ve got a meeting to prep for.”

Or similar.

Toooldforthis36 · 05/06/2024 06:48

Flopsythebunny · 05/06/2024 04:19

My ex husband volunteered me to do the catering for free for one of his gym friends daughter's 18th birthday party knowing full well I had a girls weekend away booked and paid for. He thought that I'd cancel the weekend away, give up my time for free and spend my money buying the food for said party .
I went away as planned on the Friday and his friends, who I didnt even know had less than 24 hours to sort party food out.
He said that I'd embarrassed him and I should have just done as I was told. He made out to them that I was the bad guy

Bloody hell! Why on earth would he reckon you’d cancel for that!!! Good that he’s an ex!

Keepthosenamesgoing · 05/06/2024 07:00

He's not made the transition to retirement and to the world to community volunteering unfortunately.

So he's acting as if he's in his old job but he's not got the people around him to achieve in the same way.

So I think you need to deploy a few techniques here

  • lay out to him what you WILL do not what you won't e.g. I will produce one poster for your event and I will not do anything further than that
  • time box your time that you do spend. So yes it takes 4 hours to do the job properly. So don't do it properly. Don't accept any feedback. "Here's my contribution any changes please edit yourself here's the file"
  • insist on boundaries so door closed to your study means do not disturb. Put a poster on the door!
  • insist that he does not volunteer you or speak on your behalf so you don't mind if he says "let me ask @wizardofsoz if she can help/is available" and tell him that if he continues to volunteer you without asking then you will stop doing anything (that's why doing some limited stuff comes in helpful)

Finally, you may need to remind him that he is no longer at work and no longer in charge of a team. He's not the boss of you or your time. And he needs to stop acting this way or one day he'll come home to an empty house

Shinyandnew1 · 05/06/2024 07:05

Yes, I have and they have been 'But John said you'll have them done by Thursday' and I've had to explain that John didn't consult me before committing me and that it's not possible. And then they get upset and huffy and have long conversations with me about what are they supposed to do if there are no posters

I wouldn’t be having long conversations with someone like that-I’d be livid if someone was huffy with me for something I never said I’d be doing! Keep it short. ‘Sorry, I’m really busy at work, you’ll to speak to John-I’m not retired, like he is, so still have paid commitments. Must go’

and don’t engage any more. Let them talk about your marriage if they want to. Don’t make the posters.

I would lay it out clearly to him as well.

‘I am still working. If you want to do some volunteering, great, but I am not a member of your team and don’t want to do unpaid jobs for your hobby. Don’t ask or volunteer me again or we will have a very miserable rest of our lives together!

honeylulu · 05/06/2024 07:08

My dad used to do this to my mum, even offering her professional services as a podiatrist (i.e. how she made a living) for free to various Toms, Dicks and Harrys because it made him look good and feel benevolent. Strangely the benevolence never involved any of his time and graft. She wasn't happy about it but used to do it and guess what, it kept happening!

He tried to do it to me and my sister as we got older but we'd seen it in action and were a lot less cooperative!

Well done OP for standing up to him. It's the only way he'll get the message.

One day I let it piss on his overalls
Sorry, I found this really funny - must grow up.

Toooldforthis36 · 05/06/2024 07:09

The overalls @decionsdecisions62 🤣🤣🤣

redfacebigdisgrace · 05/06/2024 07:13

What an arrogant arrogant man. How dare he? I’d be sitting down with him and telling him in no uncertain terms that I will not be helping him going forwards. Bloody cheek. How dare he shout at you when you’re in a call to a client. How dare he volunteer you and make you look bad. It’s just to boost his ego. Talk to him. Tell him. If he needs an ego boost he can go back to work. He seems to have little respect for you. I’d be livid.

pastaandpesto · 05/06/2024 07:19

He needs a bloody Canva account like every other small scale fundraiser uses to create perfectly acceptable flyers etc. And likewise ChatGPT for press releases.